Gaming engine
A very general question with too many variables. Ask yourself what you would do if you were themQuote: freefunloverDo the online casinos use the same gaming engine for real money as for play money?
I've encountered one place where the 'Free play' game just let me win and win, while in 'real money' mode it didn't.
I'd expect that most places that offer free play and money play versions of various RNG games, would use the same software, but that that software would have configurable house edge or player edge that they may vary as they see fit, subject to whatever legal jurisdiction they may be under.
Quote: freefunloverDo the online casinos use the same gaming engine for real money as for play money?
I’ve read things that say the answer is “yes”. Although drich will Be able to answer this question directly, From what I understand the answer is yes. You apparently develop a game, and that game gets put into their developers kit. I could be wrong as well but your question is logical and is probably correct.
Quote: heatmapI’ve read things that say the answer is “yes”. Although drich will Be able to answer this question directly, From what I understand the answer is yes. You apparently develop a game, and that game gets put into their developers kit. I could be wrong as well but your question is logical and is probably correct.
Sadly, I am not very familiar with internet casinos software. I would expect that some use the same software while others don't. Regulated online sites like New Jersey probably use the same software.
If I were them I'd let you win with the free money plus maybe a little extra to suck you in.
Trust them as far as you can throw them..... But because they are strenuously trying to establish trust, they often give richly exploitable opportunities. I've been stiffed by online gaffs.... mostly after I took good money off them. It's a jungle out there.Quote: LovecompsWhy anyone would trust those on-line casinos-ever- is beyond me.
So would I. In as much as very little enforceable legislation exists, they know they are free to let players win as much as they like on 'Free money games' as a lure. What can you say or do if they do that? After all, you are not investing your own money on 'free play', so they aren't giving or taking money there.Quote:If I were them I'd let you win with the free money plus maybe a little extra to suck you in.
Quote: DRichSadly, I am not very familiar with internet casinos software. I would expect that some use the same software while others don't. Regulated online sites like New Jersey probably use the same software.
So in your lifetime you normally develop single stand alone slot software that does not hook to any external apis?
Quote: heatmapSo in your lifetime you normally develop single stand alone slot software that does not hook to any external apis?
Other than the operating systems most of them only use internally developed software. Some companies are now using externally developed graphics engines.
Quote: freefunloverDo the online casinos use the same gaming engine for real money as for play money?
I assumed you were talking about the "RNG" (or "PRNG) when you said "gaming engine" (correct me if wrong).
Note: PRNG = Pseudo RNG = Pseudo Random Number Generator
Also, I just searched "do online casinos use a different rng for play mode compared to real mode" (to find the sites below):
https://yesnocasino.com/slot-machine-strategy/demo-mode-slot-strategy/
https://www.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=8485.0
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/demo-play-not-the-same-as-real-gameart-slots.82769/
https://www.casino.org/rigged-casino-guide/
https://www.gamblingsites.com/online-casino/introduction/random-number-generators/ ***
I don't necessarily agree with what they say on the above sites.
Also, I had a very quick read, so some may be "not so relevant" to your post.
***: This site mentions something about "...the Wizard of Odds site..." about half-way down the page under the heading "Can You Cheat RNGs? ". (I haven't checked if this part about "the Wiz" is true or not).
Lastly, i think I read that some casinos use a "Windows RNG" for play mode and a "UNIX RNG" for real mode^^^.
I don't know why this happens, but it should still be a "fair (pseudo) random number", for both real money and play money mode (right ?).
^^^: This statement (or similar) may be somewhere on the "Wizard of odds" site, but I couldn't find it (it is supposed to be in a "ask the wizard" section according to google, but after a quick look I didn't find it).
For many places.Quote: LovecompsI've never played but isn't getting your money from them a giant pan in the neck, even I'd you do win real money?
But there are some where withdrawals are quick, easy and free.
Quote: DRichOther than the operating systems most of them only use internally developed software. Some companies are now using externally developed graphics engines.
I’m pretty sure the OP was originally asking about this actually. And now my question is could you possibly divulge the types of functionality beyond rng, Tito, cash, graphics, lighting, and sound that you would need in this internal software tool? Is it usually graphical or just a bare bones api you program with?
Quote: heatmapI’m pretty sure the OP was originally asking about this actually. And now my question is could you possibly divulge the types of functionality beyond rng, Tito, cash, graphics, lighting, and sound that you would need in this internal software tool? Is it usually graphical or just a bare bones api you program with?
Generally once you have done a stepper machine and a video machine 90% is reusable. The most work on a stepper machine is the algorithms for the stepper motors. There is a lot of work in getting your ramp tables for the motors optimized. 90% of the work in a video slot is the graphics engine. Again, once you have one done you try to make a few themes that are basically the same with different graphics. The paytables are generally easy to implement but take time to create for each percentage.
Quote: DRichGenerally once you have done a stepper machine and a video machine 90% is reusable. The most work on a stepper machine is the algorithms for the stepper motors. There is a lot of work in getting your ramp tables for the motors optimized. 90% of the work in a video slot is the graphics engine. Again, once you have one done you try to make a few themes that are basically the same with different graphics. The paytables are generally easy to implement but take time to create for each percentage.
"Stepper motors"? Now I'm in need of clarification. Stepper motors are mechanical so while I can see their use with an actual physical rotor, what role would one play in a video slot that doesn't use mechanical reels, instead using graphical reels on a computerized display?
Quote: TumblingBones"Stepper motors"? Now I'm in need of clarification. Stepper motors are mechanical so while I can see their use with an actual physical rotor, what role would one play in a video slot that doesn't use mechanical reels, instead using graphical reels on a computerized display?
I didn't realize that anyone specified just video slots. I was referring to all types of slots that I have programmed.
Quote: freefunloverI am talking about Baccarat. I have played in land casinos and we can see what is happening. I also have an acceptable win rate. I have played for fun at a couple of online sites and get comparable expected results. What I want to know, is it possible that the cards can fall where they do based on the bet placed. We cannot see what is happening online. Are there any which have strict integrity?
Good luck the answer is only available to the people who produce the software, the jurisdiction that is running the software and the laws which direct the casino how they can play each game. Let me know if you find out because ever since day one on here I’ve been trying to figure that same question out
Quote: freefunloverI am talking about Baccarat. I have played in land casinos and we can see what is happening. I also have an acceptable win rate. I have played for fun at a couple of online sites and get comparable expected results. What I want to know, is it possible that the cards can fall where they do based on the bet placed. We cannot see what is happening online. Are there any which have strict integrity?
Yes, it is very possible they can change the cards based on what you bet.
If you want a safe online game play on the New Jersey sites.
OOps I see DRich squeezed in.
Regards
Suited89
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So far the main adopters seem to be bitcoin-based operations just because their players are tech-savy enough to understand what is going on.
