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At the peak of his time on "Cheers," George Wendt earned $200 thousand per episode.

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Wasn't most of his work on Cheers done on the bar stool? Pretty sweet gig for a regular payday. I found some episodes other than the bar stool, but I don't think there were many. Crack some lines, call it a day.

Maybe he did more than I remember.

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At the peak of his time on "Cheers," George Wendt earned $200 thousand per episode.

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Wasn't most of his work on Cheers done on the bar stool? Pretty sweet gig for a regular payday. I found some episodes other than the bar stool, but I don't think there were many. Crack some lines, call it a day.

Maybe he did more than I remember.

I hated that show because it came on at the same time I owned a neighborhood bar. And what it portrayed on the show was the polar opposite of what a neighborhood bar was like. Every single one of those customers on that show in real life would have been an alcoholic. All regular bar customers, people that come in every day and spend time there are alcoholics. They have lots of problems, and although it can be mellow a lot of the time it's nothing like it was portrayed on the show. It's actually a very depressing place and I started to drink too much and that's why I got out of it. I was making good money but it would have killed me literally if I had stayed in that business.
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NORM!
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Wasn't most of his work on Cheers done on the bar stool? Pretty sweet gig for a regular payday. I found some episodes other than the bar stool, but I don't think there were many. Crack some lines, call it a day.

Maybe he did more than I remember.

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At the peak of his time on "Cheers," George Wendt earned $200 thousand per episode.

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I hated that show because it came on at the same time I owned a neighborhood bar. And what it portrayed on the show was the polar opposite of what a neighborhood bar was like. Every single one of those customers on that show in real life would have been an alcoholic. All regular bar customers, people that come in every day and spend time there are alcoholics. They have lots of problems, and although it can be mellow a lot of the time it's nothing like it was portrayed on the show. It's actually a very depressing place and I started to drink too much and that's why I got out of it. I was making good money but it would have killed me literally if I had stayed in that business.
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NORM!
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Wasn't most of his work on Cheers done on the bar stool? Pretty sweet gig for a regular payday. I found some episodes other than the bar stool, but I don't think there were many. Crack some lines, call it a day.

Maybe he did more than I remember.

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At the peak of his time on "Cheers," George Wendt earned $200 thousand per episode.

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I hated that show because it came on at the same time I owned a neighborhood bar. And what it portrayed on the show was the polar opposite of what a neighborhood bar was like. Every single one of those customers on that show in real life would have been an alcoholic. All regular bar customers, people that come in every day and spend time there are alcoholics. They have lots of problems, and although it can be mellow a lot of the time it's nothing like it was portrayed on the show. It's actually a very depressing place and I started to drink too much and that's why I got out of it. I was making good money but it would have killed me literally if I had stayed in that business.
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Yeah, I can see that. The only time I could really stand being around people drinking fairly heavily is when I was drinking myself.
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Like the way cops feel about police shows! Gunfire and car chases every day. If that happens to a real cop, he's doing something wrong.

They've said that the only cop show that was close to accurate in its time was Barney Miller. Curious that it's the first and perhaps only cop show to show a cop casually engaging in a felony on a regular basis. Showing cops being illegal used to be taboo and especially if he gets away with it.

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Jack Soo betting on the phone with a bookie all the time.

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NORM!
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Wasn't most of his work on Cheers done on the bar stool? Pretty sweet gig for a regular payday. I found some episodes other than the bar stool, but I don't think there were many. Crack some lines, call it a day.

Maybe he did more than I remember.

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At the peak of his time on "Cheers," George Wendt earned $200 thousand per episode.

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I hated that show because it came on at the same time I owned a neighborhood bar. And what it portrayed on the show was the polar opposite of what a neighborhood bar was like. Every single one of those customers on that show in real life would have been an alcoholic. All regular bar customers, people that come in every day and spend time there are alcoholics. They have lots of problems, and although it can be mellow a lot of the time it's nothing like it was portrayed on the show. It's actually a very depressing place and I started to drink too much and that's why I got out of it. I was making good money but it would have killed me literally if I had stayed in that business.
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Wasn't most of his work on Cheers done on the bar stool? Pretty sweet gig for a regular payday. I found some episodes other than the bar stool, but I don't think there were many. Crack some lines, call it a day.
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Wasn't most of his work on Cheers done on the bar stool? Pretty sweet gig for a regular payday. I found some episodes other than the bar stool, but I don't think there were many. Crack some lines, call it a day.
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Wasn't there an episode where he was painting Diane's home? I recall other characters showing up to help him and a paint fight ensued.

I feel a Cheers trivia challenge coming on.
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1. Which three characters appeared in every episode?
   
2. What was the name of the restaurant above Cheers?
   
3. What is the name of the real Boston bar Cheers is based on?
   
4. What was Carla’s full name on the show?
   
5. Norm was Norm’s middle name. What was his first name?
   
6. What TWO spinoffs did Cheers produce?
   
7. What caused the end of Sam’s baseball career?
   
8. What was Sam’s nickname as a player for the Boston Red Sox?
   
9. What was Norm’s favorite restaurant?
   
10. Rebecca made Norm pay off his bar tab by doing what?
    
11. What was Cliff’s middle initial?
    
12. How many times did Sam propose to Diane?
    
13. What was Coach’s full name?
    
14. What was Norm’s wife’s name?
    
15. What position did Sam play on the Red Sox?
    
16. Who was the only major character to not refer to Norm as “Norm”?
    

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As promised, here is my Cheers trivia challenge.

1. Which three characters appeared in every episode?
   
2. What was the name of the restaurant above Cheers?
   
3. What is the name of the real Boston bar Cheers is based on?
   
4. What was Carla’s full name on the show?
   
5. Norm was Norm’s middle name. What was his first name?
   
6. What TWO spinoffs did Cheers produce?
   
7. What caused the end of Sam’s baseball career?
   
8. What was Sam’s nickname as a player for the Boston Red Sox?
   
9. What was Norm’s favorite restaurant?
   
10. Rebecca made Norm pay off his bar tab by doing what?
    
11. What was Cliff’s middle initial?
    
12. How many times did Sam propose to Diane?
    
13. What was Coach’s full name?
    
14. What was Norm’s wife’s name?
    
15. What position did Sam play on the Red Sox?
    
16. Who was the only major character to not refer to Norm as “Norm”?
    

Enjoy!
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As promised, here is my Cheers trivia challenge.

Enjoy!
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People do not go to Neighborhood bars to fraternize and have fun, they go for one reason. To drink because they're alcoholics.
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As promised, here is my Cheers trivia challenge.

1. Which three characters appeared in every episode?
   
2. What was the name of the restaurant above Cheers?
   
3. What is the name of the real Boston bar Cheers is based on?
   
4. What was Carla’s full name on the show?
   
5. Norm was Norm’s middle name. What was his first name?
   
6. What TWO spinoffs did Cheers produce?
   
7. What caused the end of Sam’s baseball career?
   
8. What was Sam’s nickname as a player for the Boston Red Sox?
   
9. What was Norm’s favorite restaurant?
   
10. Rebecca made Norm pay off his bar tab by doing what?
    
11. What was Cliff’s middle initial?
    
12. How many times did Sam propose to Diane?
    
13. What was Coach’s full name?
    
14. What was Norm’s wife’s name?
    
15. What position did Sam play on the Red Sox?
    
16. Who was the only major character to not refer to Norm as “Norm”?
    

Enjoy!
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People do not go to Neighborhood bars to fraternize and have fun, they go for one reason. To drink because they're alcoholics.
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Why don't they just drink at home then? Surely there is some social element to the bar.
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People do not go to Neighborhood bars to fraternize and have fun, they go for one reason. To drink because they're alcoholics.
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Why don't they just drink at home then? Surely there is some social element to the bar.
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Many reasons. Most of them did not live alone and it's doubtful that their families knew how much they drank. Also alcohol is a depressant and drinking everyday is depressing and the old saying that misery loves company is very true. Plus even then there was a stigma against drinking alone, and because most alcoholics are in denial and they know that drinking alone all the time is a sign of alcoholism, they figure if they do it in a bar around other people they're not alcoholics. Yes the bar is a social place but you only want to be there if you're drinking too otherwise being around a bunch of drunks is very boring. They basically look like idiots to sober people but to other drunks they look normal.

On a side note the very worst customers in a neighborhood bar are women. They do not hold their booze well and they get loud and mean and sarcastic and you can't get rid of them because they know that you can't physically touch them like you can a man. Countless times I had to call the police and have them escorted out and trespassed. Most men who drink all the time learn how to handle it, most women never learn.
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People do not go to Neighborhood bars to fraternize and have fun, they go for one reason. To drink because they're alcoholics.
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Why don't they just drink at home then? Surely there is some social element to the bar.
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Many reasons. Most of them did not live alone and it's doubtful that their families knew how much they drank. Also alcohol is a depressant and drinking everyday is depressing and the old saying that misery loves company is very true. Plus even then there was a stigma against drinking alone, and because most alcoholics are in denial and they know that drinking alone all the time is a sign of alcoholism, they figure if they do it in a bar around other people they're not alcoholics. Yes the bar is a social place but you only want to be there if you're drinking too otherwise being around a bunch of drunks is very boring. They basically look like idiots to sober people but to other drunks they look normal.

On a side note the very worst customers in a neighborhood bar are women. They do not hold their booze well and they get loud and mean and sarcastic and you can't get rid of them because they know that you can't physically touch them like you can a man. Countless times I had to call the police and have them escorted out and trespassed. Most men who drink all the time learn how to handle it, most women never learn.
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You can physically touch men in 2025 without getting a lawsuit?
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In 1976, I got a job working security at PJs, a club with a zero-tolerance policy. Two guys sat in lifeguard chairs on the corner of the dance floor to spot trouble. The owner had a 1967 Belair that looked nice on the street side, but the sidewalk side was all dented in by people getting tossed into it. We'd actually grade some throws.
I'd guess 98% of our fights were between guys, or groups of guys. Back then, girls didn't go to cluibs to fight. As that changed, so did the way security broke up fights. I didn't take sex or race into account. A calm female would get kid-glove treatments, but drunken belligerents get treated accordingly.
I only lasted a few months, working weekends, as the owner told me I was violent enough for him.
PJ entered politics, was elected Chief Executive of Suffolk County( The Hamptons), and was a rising star in NY politics until he was convicted of racketeering.
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In 1979 a woman could beat her husband at home all day long and he had no recourse. Nowadays if she even touches him violently she goes to jail just like he would.
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Phil Robertson has gone to that great duck blind in the sky.
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People do not go to Neighborhood bars to fraternize and have fun, they go for one reason. To drink because they're alcoholics.
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Why don't they just drink at home then? Surely there is some social element to the bar.
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Many reasons. Most of them did not live alone and it's doubtful that their families knew how much they drank. Also alcohol is a depressant and drinking everyday is depressing and the old saying that misery loves company is very true. Plus even then there was a stigma against drinking alone, and because most alcoholics are in denial and they know that drinking alone all the time is a sign of alcoholism, they figure if they do it in a bar around other people they're not alcoholics. Yes the bar is a social place but you only want to be there if you're drinking too otherwise being around a bunch of drunks is very boring. They basically look like idiots to sober people but to other drunks they look normal.

On a side note the very worst customers in a neighborhood bar are women. They do not hold their booze well and they get loud and mean and sarcastic and you can't get rid of them because they know that you can't physically touch them like you can a man. Countless times I had to call the police and have them escorted out and trespassed. Most men who drink all the time learn how to handle it, most women never learn.
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You can physically touch men in 2025 without getting a lawsuit?
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In 1979 you could, we used to pitch fhem out the front door so they face planted on the sidewalk. Cops never said a word but they did tell us don't do that to the women don't touch the women in any way. And the women knew it and they used it. In 1979 a woman could beat her husband at home all day long and he had no recourse. Nowadays if she even touches him violently she goes to jail just like he would.
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People do not go to Neighborhood bars to fraternize and have fun, they go for one reason. To drink because they're alcoholics.
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Why don't they just drink at home then? Surely there is some social element to the bar.
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Many reasons. Most of them did not live alone and it's doubtful that their families knew how much they drank. Also alcohol is a depressant and drinking everyday is depressing and the old saying that misery loves company is very true. Plus even then there was a stigma against drinking alone, and because most alcoholics are in denial and they know that drinking alone all the time is a sign of alcoholism, they figure if they do it in a bar around other people they're not alcoholics. Yes the bar is a social place but you only want to be there if you're drinking too otherwise being around a bunch of drunks is very boring. They basically look like idiots to sober people but to other drunks they look normal.

On a side note the very worst customers in a neighborhood bar are women. They do not hold their booze well and they get loud and mean and sarcastic and you can't get rid of them because they know that you can't physically touch them like you can a man. Countless times I had to call the police and have them escorted out and trespassed. Most men who drink all the time learn how to handle it, most women never learn.
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You can physically touch men in 2025 without getting a lawsuit?
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In 1979 you could, we used to pitch fhem out the front door so they face planted on the sidewalk. Cops never said a word but they did tell us don't do that to the women don't touch the women in any way. And the women knew it and they used it. In 1979 a woman could beat her husband at home all day long and he had no recourse. Nowadays if she even touches him violently she goes to jail just like he would.
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The Roommate movie in 2011 had Rebecca trying to Murder Stephen. Stephen punched her in the face in self defense and self preservation and Audiences were outraged that he punched a woman in her face. She was trying to MURDER him. 😬I can't believe that people were disgusted with Stephen's punching her in her face when she was literally trying to MURDER him. 😬 The outrage should have been solely directed at Rebecca for trying to MURDER him, not Stephen. 😬 That NEVER sat right with me. 😬
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People do not go to Neighborhood bars to fraternize and have fun, they go for one reason. To drink because they're alcoholics.
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Why don't they just drink at home then? Surely there is some social element to the bar.
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Many reasons. Most of them did not live alone and it's doubtful that their families knew how much they drank. Also alcohol is a depressant and drinking everyday is depressing and the old saying that misery loves company is very true. Plus even then there was a stigma against drinking alone, and because most alcoholics are in denial and they know that drinking alone all the time is a sign of alcoholism, they figure if they do it in a bar around other people they're not alcoholics. Yes the bar is a social place but you only want to be there if you're drinking too otherwise being around a bunch of drunks is very boring. They basically look like idiots to sober people but to other drunks they look normal.

On a side note the very worst customers in a neighborhood bar are women. They do not hold their booze well and they get loud and mean and sarcastic and you can't get rid of them because they know that you can't physically touch them like you can a man. Countless times I had to call the police and have them escorted out and trespassed. Most men who drink all the time learn how to handle it, most women never learn.
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You can physically touch men in 2025 without getting a lawsuit?
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People do not go to Neighborhood bars to fraternize and have fun, they go for one reason. To drink because they're alcoholics.
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Why don't they just drink at home then? Surely there is some social element to the bar.
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Many reasons. Most of them did not live alone and it's doubtful that their families knew how much they drank. Also alcohol is a depressant and drinking everyday is depressing and the old saying that misery loves company is very true. Plus even then there was a stigma against drinking alone, and because most alcoholics are in denial and they know that drinking alone all the time is a sign of alcoholism, they figure if they do it in a bar around other people they're not alcoholics. Yes the bar is a social place but you only want to be there if you're drinking too otherwise being around a bunch of drunks is very boring. They basically look like idiots to sober people but to other drunks they look normal.

On a side note the very worst customers in a neighborhood bar are women. They do not hold their booze well and they get loud and mean and sarcastic and you can't get rid of them because they know that you can't physically touch them like you can a man. Countless times I had to call the police and have them escorted out and trespassed. Most men who drink all the time learn how to handle it, most women never learn.
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You can physically touch men in 2025 without getting a lawsuit?
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In 1979 you could, we used to pitch fhem out the front door so they face planted on the sidewalk. Cops never said a word but they did tell us don't do that to the women don't touch the women in any way. And the women knew it and they used it. In 1979 a woman could beat her husband at home all day long and he had no recourse. Nowadays if she even touches him violently she goes to jail just like he would.
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The Roommate movie in 2011 had Rebecca trying to Murder Stephen. Stephen punched her in the face in self defense and self preservation and Audiences were outraged that he punched a woman in her face. She was trying to MURDER him. 😬I can't believe that people were disgusted with Stephen's punching her in her face when she was literally trying to MURDER him. 😬 The outrage should have been solely directed at Rebecca for trying to MURDER him, not Stephen. 😬 That NEVER sat right with me. 😬
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Are you saying that she was trying to murder him?
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No one has the right to punch someone in the face. Ever. Man, woman, boy, girl, or whatever.
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No one has the right to punch someone in the face. Ever. Man, woman, boy, girl, or whatever.
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That is a ridiculous statement. One can definitely strike in self defense.
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I punched her in the face, defending my country. That will go over well.
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I punched her in the face, defending my country. That will go over well.

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I punched her in the face, defending my country. That will go over well.
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I punched her in the face, defending my country. That will go over well.
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Self-defense laws make no allowance for the sex of the assailant. An assailant's sex can only be a parameter used to estimate how much risk they present, relative to the condition of their target. An unarmed woman being a danger to me and her being a danger to a man who is elderly and disabled are not the same thing. I've seen some horrifying videos of females working in nursing homes battering elderly men, and it would not trouble me at all to wreak violence upon such a woman.

It's the exception rather than the rule, but there are women serving life sentences and who have been executed for murder, and sometimes of men. If you do not want to join the ranks of these men you may have to defend yourself.
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I punched her in the face, defending my country. That will go over well.
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Self-defense laws make no allowance for the sex of the assailant. An assailant's sex can only be a parameter used to estimate how much risk they present, relative to the condition of their target. An unarmed woman being a danger to me and her being a danger to a man who is elderly and disabled are not the same thing. I've seen some horrifying videos of females working in nursing homes battering elderly men, and it would not trouble me at all to wreak violence upon such a woman.

It's the exception rather than the rule, but there are women serving life sentences and who have been executed for murder, and sometimes of men. If you do not want to join the ranks of these men you may have to defend yourself.
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A man said something like," I was raised to NEVER hit Women, but if a Woman starts hitting me, and another Woman hits her on my behalf, I wouldn't mind having her be attacked by the woman defending me. 💡
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You should never punch anyone in the face. Your opponent's facial bones are stronger than the bones in your fist. It's a case of this will hurt me more than it does you.
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I don't think I've ever gone through deep analysis during any kind of violence about who is trying to hit me. You need to do enough to protect yourself which may require hitting the person. I mean if it's your little brother, you hold your hand on his forehead while his two short arms swing unable to hit you. I used to just deflect blows from my older bigger sister.
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I don't think I've ever gone through deep analysis during any kind of violence about who is trying to hit me. You need to do enough to protect yourself which may require hitting the person. I mean if it's your little brother, you hold your hand on his forehead while his two short arms swing unable to hit you. I used to just deflect blows from my older bigger sister.
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I have heard the advice,"Self defense should never be more than the offense," for example, someone slaps you and you push them away from you and walk away is perfect self defense. But someone slapping you and you giving them a full on beat down that lands them in the ER is completely out of line and you would deserve to go to jail for assault. The defense becomes more than the offense if you give a full on beat down over a slap. That's retaliation, not self defense. 💡
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