Quote: BozHey, when Michael Bluejay speaks, people listen.
Just don’t bother replying unless you have read the material he requires you do first.
And whatever you do, be ready to apologize if you misquote him.
He has a “reputation” to uphold after all.
Who is Michael Bluejay?
Quote: MaxPenWho is Michael Bluejay?
Old timer. He pops up a few times a year and disappears for months again.
I guess the forum crushed his soul😢.Quote: EvenBobWhere did Mission go, he was
here leaving encyclopedicly
long posts when the change
was happening, then disappeared.
I usually read half of the first
sentence on his huge posts,
that's all I have time for.
I talked to him today, he seems to be doing okay for a hillbilly😁.
I think he is still off the hooch👍.
He pops on and off once in awhile. He wrote some long-winded post the other day🤦♂️. I think he's just spending time writing/working🤞.
yeah but where we going to learn about politics now?Quote: gordonm888I am liking this post-politics forum -there seems to be an uptick in gambling/math/Vegas posts -or maybe they are just more visible.. I don't miss the sewage pf the politics threads. Just my opinion.
Quote: AxelWolfyeah but where we going to learn about politics now?
Cnn, msnbc and fox.
Pick your poison
I rarely watch TV.Quote: darkozCnn, msnbc and fox.
Pick your poison
Quote: AxelWolfyeah but where we going to learn about politics now?
I'm sure there are plenty of political discussion forums out there. You'll just have to be the "new guy" for awhile. :P
Quote: AxelWolfI rarely watch TV.
Try gaining some quality time on the bus. That driving wastes so much of your time keeping your eyes on the road.
I feel so sorry for you.
Even if I had to spend half my life on the bus like you do I still wouldn't watch that much television or whatever.Quote: darkozTry gaining some quality time on the bus. That driving wastes so much of your time keeping your eyes on the road.
I feel so sorry for you.
Either way, I'd rather have my eyes on the road than have it on this.
I doubt the smell bothers you much since you half ass MASK it.
I also like to avoid getting fleas, lice, scabies, the flu, tuberculosis, meningitis, ebola, skanky hooker stank and god knows what else you may have contracted from public transportation.
It's now 50% gambling posts, 50% bus trolling posts.
Quote: gordonm888I am liking this post-politics forum -there seems to be an uptick in gambling/math/Vegas posts -or maybe they are just more visible.. I don't miss the sewage pf the politics threads. Just my opinion.
Same. I am happy for the change.
Sure you can block posts you don't want to read...but when there are 5 new ones popping up every day to block, you kind of get fatigued.
Plus, I actually enjoy some of those discussions, I just don't have the time. So I would stay away just so I wouldn't get sucked in.
ams288, could you please make an agreement with EvenBob to not use the same thumbnail? It’s irritating to think one posted when it’s the other...Quote: ams288
(Actually, it’s irritating to have to look at a <present leader>’s face, anyway. If you wish to make a political statement, put up Lincoln or Kennedy or Obama or Washington or Roosevelt... My preferred US president is Eisenhower: he was apolitical.)
<Note: edited to conform to the New Rule. Praise to the All-Great Mod.>
Quote: kubikulannams288, could you please make an agreement with EvenBob to not use the same thumbnail? It’s irritating to think one posted when it’s the other...
(Actually, it’s irritating to have to look at a <present leader>’s face, anyway. If you wish to make a political statement, put up Lincoln or Kennedy or Obama or Washington or Roosevelt... My preferred US president is Eisenhower: he was apolitical.)
As a political history buff and button collector, may I offer a suggestion that might satisfy you both?
Warning: Proceed with caution!
Quote: kubikulannWhy is it that when someone quotes your post, sometimes you can still edit it, sometimes it’s frozen?
You can only edit your own posts.
And you have a limited amount of time till its locked. I think 3 days or perhaps 48 hours. Not sure
Quote: kubikulannWhy is it that when someone quotes your post, sometimes you can still edit it, sometimes it’s frozen?
There is a timer.
It can help prevent people from changing something controversial and say, "No, I didn't say that!"
Quote: MDawgForum has reverted to about a dozen active members arguing with each other. Perhaps that is all it ever was?
Interesting. You are banned from creating threads, so you bump one of your old ones from 2 years ago.
If you don't like it here, you don't have to stay.
Quote: MDawgForum has reverted to about a dozen active members arguing with each other. Perhaps that is all it ever was?
If that's true, then by all means, feel free to make it eleven active members arguing with each other anytime you want.
Let's face it, the only thread that was drawing new members and heavy outside traffic views, was The Adventures of MDawg!
Quote: MDawgWe could also use a Moderator here, versus someone who argues with everyone as much as the most splenetic of members by injecting his opinion into everything.
Can I join your fan club?
Never heard of it $;o)Quote:Let's face it, the only thread that was drawing new members and heavy outside traffic views, was The Adventures of MDawg!
Quote: MDawg
Let's face it, the only thread that was drawing new members and heavy outside traffic views, was The Adventures of MDawg!
Now this is giving me schadenfreude!!!
Quote: MDawgWe could also use a Moderator here, versus someone who argues with everyone as much as the most splenetic of members by injecting his opinion into everything.
Let's face it, the only thread that was drawing new members and heavy outside traffic views, was The Adventures of MDawg!
Splenetic is an excellent word, in general.
The Adventures of MDawg:
Date Created: 11/5/2019, Existence: 602 days, Views: 304080, Views/Day: 505.1162
BetMGM Refuses to Pay 3 Million Won:
Date Created: 6/3/2021, Existence: 6 Days, Views 2671, Views/Day: 445.17
---I guess you could have a point, unless we use the, "Remove MarcusClark, Wellbush and MDawg Index," which probably drops Adventures of MDawg thread views by at least a third. Besides that, the thread consists of a Trip Report and a bunch of people arguing whether or not everything said in your Trip Report is true.
Yeah, great look for the site.
It's better that there be half as many threads with 25% as many views that actually contain good gambling information as opposed to calling streaks at Baccarat and what have you. Look at the WizardofOdds pages, do you think posts Circa 2020 in Adventures of MDawg are what people are going to be reading on this site ten years from now?
Besides that, I can't get behind you $*#^&&ing where you sleep. How many views does your thread get if it's not hosted on THIS forum (and one other one that I know of)?
If you think you can do better, then why not just create your own forum? Oh, right, you do have a forum and it absolutely sucks. I forgot.
So, you're going to come on here and ride the coattails of WoV's popularity and already-extant user base and then have the unmitigated gall to TELL US that YOU are doing US the favor---followed by talking crap about the forum and how it has so few active users?
I'm done with you. I tried to look at your posting in the best light, but I've had enough.
Please feel free to see yourself out. Since you seem to want to take credit for MarcusClark and Wellbush being here, also feel free to take their asses with you when you leave.
Quote: gordonm888MDawg, the Wizard has a call for people interested in being new moderators. Maybe you should apply?
I would not want to be a Moderator, because a real Moderator would need to step away from participating in discussions, certainly at least from injecting other than moderating opinion into heated debates.
Quote: MDawgI would not want to be a Moderator, because a real Moderator would need to step away from participating in discussions, certainly at least from injecting other than moderating opinion into heated debates.
And, correct me if I am wrong, but that is part of why Mission146 chose to step away from Moderating here? Because he wanted to just be a regular member and participate normally.
I had to google the reference. Did you mean this one?Quote: TDVegasAlmost feels like a good time for the Big Lebowski speech to the “dude”.
I prefer the simplicity of 'I Claudius'
https://youtu.be/BNEJ6ahD7J0?t=127
Well waddya know. Patrick Steward featured in I Claudius. There was another Emperor too. Tiberius.
"I wish I'd stayed in Rhodes"
"Doesn't anybody in this city ever say anything that isn't either vicious or treasonable?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2HmvMXmHdU
Quote: MDawgAnd, correct me if I am wrong, but that is part of why Mission146 chose to step away from Moderating here? Because he wanted to just be a regular member and participate normally.
That's not correct. I had a business relationship with a former member here who was accused in participating in some pretty sordid affairs (scamming) and while I had no dealings with him that involved anyone else from this forum, there were calls for me to resign as a result of some pretty serious accusations that were made against him.
Furthermore, there was a website created about him in which the name of the website was, literally, his full legal name. There's nothing I could do about that, but links to said website were being posted on here by one particular user, so I removed those links as Doxxing.
More than that, the name and picture of this individual's wife also was posted on that site (but are no longer there, last I looked), despite no actual accusation being made that would have had anything to do with her. It was for that reason that I was quick to remove the links to the website and remove them again when they were put back up. Had it not been for the pictures of his wife and her full name being presented on that site; I probably would have just thrown the matter to Wizard to deal with due to the possible perception of bias arising from the business dealings that I had with this person outside of the forums.
With that, bias was perceived and there were calls for me to step down. Wizard did not wish for me to resign from Forum Administration, but I did anyway. The perception of bias, in my slanted opinion, was pretty ridiculous because you couldn't have a clearer violation of the rule that says to, "Respect privacy."
This individual had also been banned, in the past, under a different handle. There was some criticism as to why he was allowed to post here under a new handle, a few reasons for that which were stated to me (but not by Wizard) that I won't get into and it was thought that I was, "Protecting," him, again, due to the fact that we had dealings outside of the forum.
Truth be told, I would have probably banned him for duplicate accounts myself, but I would have been acting unilaterally and in direct opposition to (not Wizard) another Moderator at the time.
Another thing that made the situation a bit odd was the fact that his initial account was banned for a reason, and by a Secret Administrator, that there really wasn't any prior precedent for in the Rules...so even his initial banning was kind of questionable.
Does this mean then, that a Moderator should not only be unbiased but not even make an appearance of bias. In your opinion.
Quote: MDawgAh, well then. I did not know that.
Does this mean then, that a Moderator should not only be unbiased but not even make an appearance of bias. In your opinion.
In my opinion, it does not mean that. Maybe if Moderators were paid, but they are not.
In fact, when it came to Members who would add a ton of value to the Forum as opposed to those who did not, I would often do unequal enforcement of the Rules. In order to get banned, a person must violate a rule, but it doesn't mean that we necessarily have to address every violation if we don't feel like it.
There was also one previous Member whose posts I would Edit myself; he had a tendency of breaking a ton of Forum Rules (mostly profanity) when drinking, but I couldn't be on all the time. He was a wealth of gambling information, mostly AP-related, so he's obviously someone that it was best for the site to try to keep around if it all possible.
I don't even like the, "No profanity," rule, as I have said in the past. I was opposed to it even when it changed to the more strict version of the previous rule.
In terms of direct Forum Administration, the only thing I eventually decided not to do was actively participate or read political threads (which aren't even allowed anymore), that way, nobody could perceive bias due to my political leanings. I'd openly admit to being biased in favor of posters that I perceived as, "Having value to the forum." For that reason, I made it clear that I was to be PM'ed if there were any perceived rule infractions in those threads and I would then look into it.
As well, how do you get into it with someone who could push a button and suspend you? It's not a level playing field.
So for the most part, even here, I think a Moderator should temper his opinion and at a minimum not make outrageously derogatory statements about anyone.
Consider for example the Wizard himself. For the most part, I find him to be even handed with his public opinions at this forum. I am certain he disagrees with a lot of what is posted, but he seems to measure his responses a lot. So if he's the Wizard, and he's the forum owner, why wouldn't he be the model to follow for all admin.
Quote: MDawgThe problem though, is that people assume that forum moderators or admin know more than regular members, even if they might not. And then when forum staff say something, their opinion is often assumed to carry more weight. For example, at another forum at which you and I participate or used to participate, a certain member loves to quote that so and so (the forum owner) says this or that, as if it is gospel, and to a certain extent, that sort of thinking follows here too.
As well, how do you get into it with someone who could push a button and suspend you? It's not a level playing field.
So for the most part, even here, I think a Moderator should temper his opinion and at a minimum not make outrageously derogatory statements about anyone.
Consider for example the Wizard himself. For the most part, I find him to be even handed with his opinions at this forum. I am certain he disagrees with a lot of what is posted, but he seems to measure his responses a lot.
Who assumes that? Do you assume that? I knew next to nothing about gambling when I joined this site compared to what I know now and I was made an Administrator within a few months of being here. I volunteered as I had Administrated some discussion forums before and I noticed that Wizard was pretty overwhelmed as there weren't really any other active Administrators at that time. The site also had a lot more active threads at any given time. I mostly blame Facebook, Twitter and Discord.
The only thing that carries weight is the rules are whatever the Administrator interprets them to be.
I tend to think I know what other Forum you are talking about, but I have no idea what conversation you are referring to. I probably only read a quarter of the threads there. I'm mostly there to interact with certain people I like who have been banned from here.
As far as level playing fields go, life is not a level playing field. If you want to know the truth, I think that OnceDear has exercised the same restraint that I did (when an Admin) as it pertains to NOT banning people for stuff said directly to him and not asking for another Admin to do it for him. When I was an Admin, I said you could basically insult me at will as long as you know no other Admin will see it. I said if they saw it and decided to do something about it, they could, but I openly encouraged the other Administrators to never take any action for something said directly to me by someone. I think OD is the same way, except he doesn't directly beseech people to insult him.
IOW, when I was an Administrator, I might have been the only person on this site you could blatantly insult and maybe get away with it.
A Moderator should do whatever the hell a Moderator wants to do because he's not being paid. That would be like the soup kitchen complaining that I don't wash dishes and make the salads fast enough when I volunteer there.
Quote: Mission146
A Moderator should do whatever the hell a Moderator wants to do because he's not being paid. That would be like the soup kitchen complaining that I don't wash dishes and make the salads fast enough when I volunteer there.
No, no, I think you got a little excited and went too far there. If that were the case, then anyone who applied would be qualified to Moderate here.
Quote: MDawgNo, no, I think you got a little excited and went too far there. If that were the case, then anyone who applied would be qualified to Moderate here.
I think you just have to have posted in a fashion that demonstrates a clear understanding of the rules and, in general, have a relatively jovial personality...for the most part.
I guess you'd have to ask Wizard what the specific qualifications are, if any. Whatever they are, I met them, so I can assure you that the bar isn't super high.
Quote: MDawgI also never heard of a gaggle of supposed casino players who lack the connections to verify that some of the Montreal Canadiens were in fact in Vegas gambling and partying this weekend. I could be even a small time player and still be able to verify that.
Shouldn't bringing something from one of your other threads to this one be suspension worthy.
Quote: MDawgIn any case, I'm just saying that if I became a moderator I'd act differently. By that I mean - differently from the way I act as a regular member. (Not that I would want to be one, nor would expect to be accepted as one if I did want to be one.) People should rise to the occasion.
It seems to me that Moderation of the Forum is pretty well under control as it is, at least, in my opinion.
I do TRY to apply the rules fairly. I'll reveal a little non-secret: I go out of my way to be lenient. More so than Wizard, when dealing with personal insults, and less lenient when someone tries to push the envelope with repeated non-rule breaking little digs.Quote: Mission146The only thing that carries weight is the rules are whatever the Administrator interprets them to be.
While we are doing secrets: I've been invited a few times to nuke certain members, or asked my opinion on likely nukes, and I almost always discourage it. I've also firmly advocated against the cruel punishment of 'Martying him to oblivion'
I used to specialise in company feedback surveys and I learned there that the most useful feedback is negative feedback, so I will always take that on board, in forum or in PM. Minor insults to me will likely just make me chuckle. But insult the very ethos of the forum, or its members generally, and I might just wade in. I saw this thread as a sly insult to the forum when it was originally posted and its bumping today as an act of mischief. Call me cynical, but I read between the lines.
Cheers Mission. It's an unwritten policy. I think I show restraint often in NOT banning for anything where I can justify not doing so.Quote:As far as level playing fields go, life is not a level playing field. If you want to know the truth, I think that OnceDear has exercised the same restraint that I did (when an Admin) as it pertains to NOT banning people for stuff said directly to him and not asking for another Admin to do it for him.
I slightly disagree. Wizard gives me considerable discretion and I TRY to moderate without applying my own bias as to the poster. But that self restraint in applying my ban hammer is counter-balanced by my running free with posting my opinions as a member. So. NO I don't even try to be impartial.Quote:A Moderator should do whatever the hell a Moderator wants to do because he's not being paid. That would be like the soup kitchen complaining that I don't wash dishes and make the salads fast enough when I volunteer there.
So, where you disagree with my 'biased' or 'splenetic' posting, don't be afraid to 'get into it with' me ( or better yet, attack my post ). Many's the time I felt like just pressing Nuke and I've held back..... Well. MOSTLY.
Stay safe, y'all.
Indeed. The tricky bit was to drive down the membership to that comfortable level.Quote: MDawgIt's not hard to control twelve people!
$:op
Don't ask me. I'm the one that brought up 'I Claudius' again :o) For which Hijack, I apologise.Quote: DRichShouldn't bringing something from one of your other threads to this one be suspension worthy.
Quote: OnceDearIndeed. The tricky bit was to drive down the membership to that comfortable level.
$:op
I lost it at this! Well played!
As to OD's input: I didn't mind.