Shout Out to the Wizard
Save all that for where it belongs, ZenKings threads.
Quote: michael99000It was so unnecessary to turn a simple post about moving to Vegas into this endless back and forth insults, bickering , and arguing.
Save all that for where it belongs, ZenKings threads.
Or Nathan’s corner.....oh wait. Never mind, carry on.
Quote: BozI truly pray for you.
Well, your argument that you aren’t religious just went out the window.
LMAO
Quote: ams288Well, your argument that you aren’t religious just went out the window.
LMAO
Exactly!
Glad you figured it out Freddy.
And I didn’t mean Mercury.
Quote: BozSo I still go back to AMS’s post earlier today.
And NO, AMS shouldn’t be suspended because he insulted every Republican member who isn’t Rich or Religious.
Can you give me a link to the post in question?
Quote: WizardCan you give me a link to the post in question?
With all due respect, no, because it shouldn’t be an eye for an eye.
AMS shouldn’t be suspended for his post, as EB shouldn’t have been.
Total respect for how you run this forum, and without kissing ass, you do it far better than anyone.
Live by the rules, make rules up based on situations, and best of all “Don’t let the door....”. But this one was a bad one.
Free EB. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t care, it’s the principle.
He was guilty of nothing this time.
Quote: BozTotal respect for how you run this forum, and without kissing ass, you do it far better than anyone.
Thank you!
Quote: ams288Who cares? Either one is a ban-worthy offense.
Saying a statement is racist should not be ban worthy.
ZCore13
Quote: Zcore13Saying a statement is racist should not be ban worthy.
ZCore13
I agree, but they're not my rules.
I'd love to be able to call out certain posts for being racist. But I know better!
Quote: Zcore13Saying a statement is racist should not be ban worthy.
ZCore13
he didnt say , that statement was racist. He also didnt say you are a racist. He just said racist. As EB likes to do he walked on the line. He could have meant it either way and he left it ambiguous on purpose. He left it up for interpretation. Bbb interprets it one way and others the other way. I dont see anything wrong with the suspension.
Quote: GWAEhe didnt say , that statement was racist. He also didnt say you are a racist. He just said racist. As EB likes to do he walked on the line. He could have meant it either way and he left it ambiguous on purpose. He left it up for interpretation. Bbb interprets it one way and others the other way. I dont see anything wrong with the suspension.
This is the biggest joke about this suspension policy. If I say something racist that I believe in, saying the statement is racist or saying I am racist IS THE SAME THING!
In my opinion virtually EVERY post made by ams is insulting to any Republican, conservative, and especially Trump supporter. You could probably say the same with regards to liberals/democrats about MY posts. To me, the lib/dem lack of understanding of middle America is just plain stupid. I guess I just insulted 100 million Americans, probably 40% of the forum members. To me the 'personal insult rule' is NOT meant to censor my comment, or ams' as well.
You all don't think when any of the Libs write 'Im blocking Boz because he has nothing useful to say' that isn't a personal insult? And no, I'm not digging back to out them all.
Insults about liberals in the political threads are more tolerated because there are a slew of insults about Republicans in the political threads
The EB comment was different.
Political thread example.
Person A: you libs are retarded
Person B: you righties are racist
The current example we are tslking about.
Person A:
Just want to thank the wonderful Wizard. You all are so nice to me. Wonderful guys.
Person B: Racist.
Kinda slaps you in the face the second version.
First version is seeing a shocking word in an R rated film
Second version is seeing a shocking word in a G rated film
Naturally when channel surfing (thread hopping) we dont always remember which film we sre in
Quote: darkozIf a person on a bike keeps entering bicycle races, isnt he technically a racist
No, a "racer".
Quote: rsactuaryNo, a "racer".
Racer? Racer family?
Mr. Shackleford, is this the forum you really had in mind when you started. As a longtime reader, it seems like you took this forum very seriously for a number of years, with the goal of helping everyone be better players and then somewhere along the line you stopped. You lost interest in really helping people.
Was that somewhere along the line when you sold the forum and signed the check, because it hasn't been the same since. Today this forum is just a group of people divided by their political views attacking and baiting the other side. And you have a moderator right in the middle of it all. Almost every thread goes down that path and the site has little to do with gambling or Las Vegas anymore.
Mr. Shackleford, this forum may be owned by BestCasinoBonuses, but it still has your name on it. It is your legacy. You are or were respected as one of the expert gambling authorities in Las Vegas. One of several that the main stream media would call on for gambling related stories. Is this what you really want your legacy to be?
Quote: boywonderIs this really what this site has become? Members, baiting each other into saying something that might result in a suspension and then laughing and cheering about it? How old are you guys?
Mr. Shackleford, is this the forum you really had in mind when you started. As a longtime reader, it seems like you took this forum very seriously for a number of years, with the goal of helping everyone be better players and then somewhere along the line you stopped. You lost interest in really helping people.
Was that somewhere along the line when you sold the forum and signed the check, because it hasn't been the same since. Today this forum is just a group of people divided by their political views attacking and baiting the other side. And you have a moderator right in the middle of it all. Almost every thread goes down that path and the site has little to do with gambling or Las Vegas anymore.
Mr. Shackleford, this forum may be owned by BestCasinoBonuses, but it still has your name on it. It is your legacy. You are or were respected as one of the expert gambling authorities in Las Vegas. One of several that the main stream media would call on for gambling related stories. Is this what you really want your legacy to be?
Amen to that.
I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a possible nationwide franchise. From research, I know that one thing Angel investors look into is people's social media and this site is becoming an embarrassment. I certainly wouldn't want my name associated with it.
Quote: boywonder
Was that somewhere along the line when you sold the forum and signed the check, because it hasn't been the same since. Today this forum is just a group of people divided by their political views attacking and baiting the other side. And you have a moderator right in the middle of it all. Almost every thread goes down that path and the site has little to do with gambling or Las Vegas anymore.
I lately believe that it is an Iron Law of forums that no matter what they will all devolve into political sniping no matter what. Look at Facebook. It is 90% political now. Allowing moderators in the debate does not help matters. I do have to say my participation has gone way down from the early days. Part because I do not have as many questions about gambling, so many have been discussed. But also part because the site has become too much of just haters discussing pee tapes or any other conspiracy theory on Trump. Some I had to block as talking with them is like talking to children. A 5th grade schoolyard.
Quote: billryanAmen to that.
I'm currently working on a proof of concept for a possible nationwide franchise. From research, I know that one thing Angel investors look into is people's social media and this site is becoming an embarrassment. I certainly wouldn't want my name associated with it.
Don't let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out......Toodles.😀
You are really part of the Cool kids now Wizard. I really appreciate this forum, it has been a great benefit to me and I'm also glad you made a profit from your labor creating WOV.Quote: WizardCan you give me a link to the post in question?
But just as you are a huge part of this forum, so is Bob. This just isn't the same place around here without his ability to chime in on topics. The forum is lesser without him, and many of us feel he shouldn't have been suspended for such a minor infraction. For these reasons I respectfully request that you allow me to serve out the rest of EvenBobs sentence and bring back the member that is dear to us all.
Quote: petroglyphYou are really part of the Cool kids now Wizard. I really appreciate this forum, it has been a great benefit to me and I'm also glad you made a profit from your labor creating WOV.
But just as you are a huge part of this forum, so is Bob. This just isn't the same place around here without his ability to chime in on topics. The forum is lesser without him, and many of us feel he shouldn't have been suspended for such a minor infraction. For these reasons I respectfully request that you allow me to serve out the rest of EvenBobs sentence and bring back the member that is dear to us all.
Gee, petro, I've been out shopping for more popcorn, but I have to stop and ask you.
I don't know how many times you've talked about people taking personal responsibility for their actions. It's something I like a lot about you. But here you are, trying to step in the middle of someone else's gaffe and get them off the hook. Why is that?
I really don't understand all the fuss about this. You folks are saying that EB, by far the most prolific poster here, the one who loves to see how close to the line he can get, is too stupid to know what he said was not a personal insult? I happen to know EB is very not-stupid, so I don't really understand that point of view.
There was no unintentional ambiguity about the way EB posted what he did. He had many options. He could have annotated it as a joke. He didn't. He could have clarified for those reading by saying "Your post is racist" if that's what he meant. He didn't. He even could have (dare I say) pushed "cancel" instead of "post". He didn't.
There are several people trying to walk back what he said. It was one word, said to inflame, and insult - and has generated 5 pages of sputtering indignation that he would be called to account for using it on another forum member.
Or do you think it was a compliment? Not insulting somehow, in this day, to be called a racist? The same word against Joe Biden has nearly derailed his candidacy, but somehow Axel should appreciate the label?
EB is probably bathing in the schadenfreude this whole thing has generated. So you all have done him a favor-he was a quart or so low last he mentioned needing it.
So. Derailment complete. We've gone from a thank you note to lots of silliness slung among friends to insult to dragging in politics yet again to attacking the moderation for letting this place become a, cesspool, was it? All in a couple days, in a single thread.
Forums are what the members make of them. Everybody is on a hair-trigger these days. We can all do a bit better, I think.
Quote: happaheroRemind me to never post here again. This thread should of been like 5 posts long. TOPS
At 2+2 they have designated areas for politarding. Seems like a good idea to me.
Also, regardless of what your position on the politcal spectrum is, if you can't have any sort of exchange without regurgitating a bunch of political talking points, you should probably take an extended break from politics cuz it's messing up your mind.
Quote: petroglyphYou are really part of the Cool kids now Wizard. I really appreciate this forum, it has been a great benefit to me and I'm also glad you made a profit from your labor creating WOV.
But just as you are a huge part of this forum, so is Bob. This just isn't the same place around here without his ability to chime in on topics. The forum is lesser without him, and many of us feel he shouldn't have been suspended for such a minor infraction. For these reasons I respectfully request that you allow me to serve out the rest of EvenBobs sentence and bring back the member that is dear to us all.
I agree. Unfortunately, once again, we seem to be dealing with insta-suspensions by moderators who disagree with or bear animus towards the person they are suspending. I almost never participate in the political threads (personally, I dislike the hostility of the dialogue in those threads) but I occasionally read them - and its no secret that BBB does not stay neutral and "above-it-all" in these threads like moderators of other forums - rather she wades into many, many political arguments, IMO, with passion and derision for those who have different opinions. And EB's opinions are the polar opposite of BBB's.
Now the words 'racist' and 'racism" are used on CNN and MSNBC and FoxNews, it is part of political discourse to use these words to object to certain statements that are hurtful to other people. Just as the word "troll" is used to describe a certain kind of behavior on social media. Suspending people for using common useful language like racist and troll is illogical, IMO. And having a politically-active moderator insta-suspend one of her adversaries (in political threads) for a very marginal use of language used on news shows has a bad appearance. It appears like a moderator using her ban-hammer to purge the forum of people who have opinions that she doesn't like.
IMO, it would have been better if BBB had practiced some restraint and referred EB's post to Wiz or OD and let them make and implement decisions. And a more calm and clinical moderator would not get so involved in so much of the drama on the political threads. BBB will disagree with me, and Wiz is usually loyal to BBB no matter what her behavior, so he will likely claim that he disagrees with me as well. But those are my opinions and I believe there is a simple truth in what I say.
Quote: RigondeauxAt 2+2 they have designated areas for politarding. Seems like a good idea to me.
Also, regardless of what your position on the politcal spectrum is, if you can't have any sort of exchange without regurgitating a bunch of political talking points, you should probably take an extended break from politics cuz it's messing up your mind.
I keep suggesting the forum be designed so only gambling topic reside in the top threads. Granted they get their own issues, but at least that is the main interest (I assume) of people who come here.
You should always have to scroll down to find other topics and only see gaming topics on opening page no matter how recent a post is.
I keep throwing this 2 cents in, and I'm almost up to 10 cents now.
Quote: rxwineI keep suggesting the forum be designed so only gambling topic reside in the top threads. Granted they get their own issues, but at least that is the main interest (I assume) of people who come here.
You should always have to scroll down to find other topics and only see gaming topics on opening page no matter how recent a post is.
I keep throwing this 2 cents in, and I'm almost up to 10 cents now.
I enjoy the broader conversation.
Even a normal person making level headed remark about politics is fine, and at 2+2 it's tolerated. Though here, that might not work. Different types of people.
Politarding is kind of a "know it when you see it" thing, analogous to porn. People can post pictures of sexy girls here, but there is an obvious line.
Politarding is a bit more of a challenge because it's so tied up in people's personalities. Their self-esteem is all tied up in it and they don't really see their behavior objectively. It's much easier to understand that posting a pic of people having sex is at least inconsiderate, even if you personally enjoy it.
The problem is with HH's remark. "Remind me never to post here again." I think it was a bit tongue in cheek, but over time, that tends to happen. Just as if people were constantly posting porn. People think, "I like some of the content here, but I just don't feel like dealing with this S," and gradually they just wander off to other places.
Been on two forums where this happened.
On this forum, once the politards take over a thread, I'm usually done with it pretty quickly.
Quote: rxwineI keep suggesting the forum be designed so only gambling topic reside in the top threads. Granted they get their own issues, but at least that is the main interest (I assume) of people who come here.
You should always have to scroll down to find other topics and only see gaming topics on opening page no matter how recent a post is.
I keep throwing this 2 cents in, and I'm almost up to 10 cents now.
Or just give the option to block entire topic areas from your own personal most recent?
Quote: AZDuffmanOr just give the option to block entire topic areas from your own personal most recent?
And there's probably one or more other solutions, but this same issue comes up over and over.
(and did I say..and over.)
At some point I'm just gonna say, why don't you just ban people for mentioning they have a problem with seeing post and threads they don't wanna see. That's another way to resolve a recurring issue. Do the reverse. "What?! You don't like this. Three days in the hole for you."
Quote: AZDuffmanOr just give the option to block entire topic areas from your own personal most recent?
But one thread about thanking the wizard can suddenly become political
How is that going to work?
Its a good idea btw. I just dont see how a fluid conversation can havd blocks of threads eliminated by topic
Just seeing a blocked persons hidden post in the timeline is disconcerting
Quote: darkozBut one thread about thanking the wizard can suddenly become political
How is that going to work?
Its a good idea btw. I just dont see how a fluid conversation can havd blocks of threads eliminated by topic
Just seeing a blocked persons hidden post in the timeline is disconcerting
It would be about customizing your "Recent Threads" feed. I'd wager most people just look there. Now, as we have seen here, any thread can get out of hand. I've been on forums 25 years, before they were called forums. This will happen no matter what. But customizing can help.
There are topics some people love and others hate. Not being in one you hate is a good thing.
Wiz is awesome.
EB should just stay banned until we ALL reach an agreement about if he should be banned... ;-)
Quote: RomesTLDR...
Wiz is awesome.
EB should just stay banned until we ALL reach an agreement about if he should be banned... ;-)
Quote: AxelWolf
Axel's motto is "You have to kiss ass before you can lick bunghole" is bunghole on the no fly zone list for this forum? I guess we will find out.
I'm sure you would like to find out if my bunghole is on the no fly zone list, unfortunately for you and all other , it is on the restricted list.Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolf
Axel's motto is "You have to kiss ass before you can lick bunghole" is bunghole on the no fly zone list for this forum? I guess we will find out.
PS If it's not in the Bible....
Quote: RomesTLDR...
Wiz is awesome.
EB should just stay banned until we ALL reach an agreement about if he should be banned... ;-)
That could take months
Quote: BozWith all due respect, no, because it shouldn’t be an eye for an eye.
AMS shouldn’t be suspended for his post, as EB shouldn’t have been.
Total respect for how you run this forum, and without kissing ass, you do it far better than anyone.
Live by the rules, make rules up based on situations, and best of all “Don’t let the door....”. But this one was a bad one.
Free EB. It doesn’t matter if he doesn’t care, it’s the principle.
He was guilty of nothing this time.
But the way Wizard runs the forum, Wizard would have also suspended Bob for his "racist" comment. That really made my day, btw, because Bob got by with borderline comments more than anyone else here.
Wizard lets NOTHING slide. I have edited my posts multiple times in the past because how HE interpreted the rules, and I did not want to receive a suspension for calling member(s) various expletives. Of all the forums I read/post at, this forum gives me the greatest urge to use said expletives. This makes me sad and is one reason why i post 10% as much as before. The free discussion of politics is a much bigger reason.
Quote: gordonm888Quote: petroglyphYou are really part of the Cool kids now Wizard. I really appreciate this forum, it has been a great benefit to me and I'm also glad you made a profit from your labor creating WOV.
But just as you are a huge part of this forum, so is Bob. This just isn't the same place around here without his ability to chime in on topics. The forum is lesser without him, and many of us feel he shouldn't have been suspended for such a minor infraction. For these reasons I respectfully request that you allow me to serve out the rest of EvenBobs sentence and bring back the member that is dear to us all.
I agree. Unfortunately, once again, we seem to be dealing with insta-suspensions by moderators who disagree with or bear animus towards the person they are suspending. I almost never participate in the political threads (personally, I dislike the hostility of the dialogue in those threads) but I occasionally read them - and its no secret that BBB does not stay neutral and "above-it-all" in these threads like moderators of other forums - rather she wades into many, many political arguments, IMO, with passion and derision for those who have different opinions. And EB's opinions are the polar opposite of BBB's.
Now the words 'racist' and 'racism" are used on CNN and MSNBC and FoxNews, it is part of political discourse to use these words to object to certain statements that are hurtful to other people. Just as the word "troll" is used to describe a certain kind of behavior on social media. Suspending people for using common useful language like racist and troll is illogical, IMO. And having a politically-active moderator insta-suspend one of her adversaries (in political threads) for a very marginal use of language used on news shows has a bad appearance. It appears like a moderator using her ban-hammer to purge the forum of people who have opinions that she doesn't like.
IMO, it would have been better if BBB had practiced some restraint and referred EB's post to Wiz or OD and let them make and implement decisions. And a more calm and clinical moderator would not get so involved in so much of the drama on the political threads. BBB will disagree with me, and Wiz is usually loyal to BBB no matter what her behavior, so he will likely claim that he disagrees with me as well. But those are my opinions and I believe there is a simple truth in what I say.
Simple answer. BAN ALL POLITICS!!!
Quote: RomesTLDR...
Wiz is awesome.
EB should just stay banned until we ALL reach an agreement about if he should be banned... ;-)
I'm cool with this because he'll never be unbanned if unanimous approval is needed...
Quote: michael99000That could take months
Forever unless I'm kicked off.
Quote: michael99000That could take months
A price we’d all be willing to pay.
Quote: AxelWolfI'm sure you would like to find out if my bunghole is on the no fly zone list, unfortunately for you and all other , it is on the restricted list.Quote: PokerGrinderQuote: AxelWolf
Axel's motto is "You have to kiss ass before you can lick bunghole" is bunghole on the no fly zone list for this forum? I guess we will find out.
PS If it's not in the Bible....
That’s not what DJATC told me, he said “things” happened in his miata and you made him promise not to tell anyone..
Quote: AxelWolfFor the record, I did not want Bob suspended, I didnt ask for that, I didn't even think it was possible. It was clearly a joke all around. I didn't take his comment as an insult whatsoever. I took his comment as him showing how if someone says something like that, they will be labeled by some people as a racists even when its a innocent joke. I am certain that's what Bob was doing,
Of course that's what I was doing
and I knew you'd get it. It never
even occurred to me the mods
here lost their sense of humor and
irony years ago. All some of them
want now is any reason to suspend.
Let me explain this type of humor,
as some here don't seem to get it.
A cartoon has a German Shepard
and a collie in a bar drinking. The
collie says "God how I hate mixed
breed dogs." The other dog is thinking
'Bigot'.
It's funny because no dog would ever
in a million years think that. Just like
nobody would ever call somebody a
racist who says Mexicans don't mind
the sun. So when you call them a racist,
it's funny because it's ironic. Get it?
i·ro·ny1
/ˈīrənē/
noun
the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
Internet has become a place where irony does not existQuote: EvenBobi·ro·ny
the expression of one's meaning by using language that normally signifies the opposite, typically for humorous or emphatic effect.
One reason is people have become thin-skinned. Right and left, all of them: conservatives are as much snowflakes and politically correct as liberals, they just have their own pet peeves. Example: calling a racist a racist has become an insult instead of a simple assertion of the truth. But how to say ‘racist’ without the word? This is 1984: forbid the use of words to forbid thinking.
Another reason is illiteracy. Forums and social networks are accessible to anyone, there is no filter for intellect or writing skills. They don’t know how to turn the written word to convey irony; it takes talent and, mostly, time. People react fast, hence they write as they talk (that includes me). Just ask an actor: a written sentence can be expressed in a lot of different ways, up to reversing its meaning.
The third reason is bad faith. Rules are never mechanical. Interpretation is the difficult part. That is why there are judges, juries, courts, procedures, defense rights. Instant decision by a lone non-neutral agent, without appeal, is the way of the Tribunal Révolutionnaire : the way to disaster.
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Remember how this thread was about cheering and thanking. It got waylaid because of one thing. Not EvenBob’s word, but the suspension!
