ThatDonGuy
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July 7th, 2019 at 10:49:11 AM permalink
Quote: rsactuary

How do you know that?

IIRC, all 10 cards in VP are "dealt" in advance - the card you receive when you discard a particular card is not affected by what other cards you discarded, or how long you take to push the "draw" button.
CharmedQuark
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July 7th, 2019 at 11:15:34 AM permalink
Learning to play UTH - then religiously following the basic strategy. Too many bad beats playing 4X bets.
7craps
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July 7th, 2019 at 11:15:58 AM permalink
Quote: LusciousSweet2

On my very first Craps Game, I decided that I didn't want to play Craps anymore,

you were playing a Craps machine.
They (most I have played and seen) have a specific button for cash out, just like video poker does and slot machine.
a REAL Craps table does NOT have a cash out button. you tell your Dealer you want to cash out and wait for their instructions, knowing where the dice happen to be.

Quote: LusciousSweet2

and I pressed "C and E," Thinking it meant "Cash Out/End Game," turns out that "C and E," is in fact a bet, and I lost.

you had a 1 in 6 chance of winning.
Quote: LusciousSweet2

I remembered being confused and asking a Craps Player why the TITO didn't print out after I pressed the "Cash Out/End Game " button. He gently replied something like "C and E means Craps, and Eleven,"

he told you the truth
CRAPS AND 11 (ELEVEN)

Quote: LusciousSweet2

and a 6 and a 5 came up, so you lost the bet..

6 + 5 = 11 so you should have WON your C&E bet
Quote: LusciousSweet2

Had you gotten 7/11, you would have won \$100 on \$12 bet."

NO WAY
TOTALLY WRONG.

a C&E bet ONLY wins when the next roll equals 2,3,11 or 12
NEVER wins on a 7 (SEVEN) this is a very POPULAR MISUNDERSTANDING of the rules of the C&E bet. NEVER win on a 7.

lots of MISINFORMATION HERE that really needs to be cleaned up.

many drink too much when and after they play in a casino (especially at craps) and think they know-it-all when they actually just drank too much and "don't know squat."
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beachbumbabs
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July 7th, 2019 at 11:31:42 AM permalink
Quote: 7craps

you were playing a Craps machine.
They (most I have played and seen) have a specific button for cash out, just like video poker does and slot machine.
a REAL Craps table does NOT have a cash out button. you tell your Dealer you want to cash out and wait for their instructions, knowing where the dice happen to be.

you had a 1 in 6 chance of winning.
he told you the truth
CRAPS AND 11 (ELEVEN)

6 + 5 = 11 so you should have WON your C&E bet

Quote: LusciousSweet2

Had you gotten 7/11, you would have won \$100 on \$12 bet."

NO WAY
TOTALLY WRONG.

a C&E bet ONLY wins when the next roll equals 2,3,11 or 12
NEVER wins on a 7 (SEVEN) this is a very POPULAR MISUNDERSTANDING of the rules of the C&E bet. NEVER win on a 7.

lots of MISINFORMATION HERE that really needs to be cleaned up.

many drink too much when and after they play in a casino (especially at craps) and think they know-it-all when they actually just drank too much and "don't know squat."

Some of the misinformation and inconsistency you refute is because LS went back and edited her post. Her original claim was that she pushed a button labeled "C" (not "C&E" or whatever she says now) thinking it meant "CashOut". She didn't go back and fix every related fact in her story, which sounded bogus to start; now that seems even more likely.

The whole point of the story was to start a thread, IMO. It would be best to disregard the nonsense and learn something about the poster, which is what I'm doing.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
MaxPen
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July 7th, 2019 at 11:40:09 AM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs

Quote: 7craps

you were playing a Craps machine.
They (most I have played and seen) have a specific button for cash out, just like video poker does and slot machine.
a REAL Craps table does NOT have a cash out button. you tell your Dealer you want to cash out and wait for their instructions, knowing where the dice happen to be.

you had a 1 in 6 chance of winning.
he told you the truth
CRAPS AND 11 (ELEVEN)

6 + 5 = 11 so you should have WON your C&E bet

Quote: LusciousSweet2

Had you gotten 7/11, you would have won \$100 on \$12 bet."

NO WAY
TOTALLY WRONG.

a C&E bet ONLY wins when the next roll equals 2,3,11 or 12
NEVER wins on a 7 (SEVEN) this is a very POPULAR MISUNDERSTANDING of the rules of the C&E bet. NEVER win on a 7.

lots of MISINFORMATION HERE that really needs to be cleaned up.

many drink too much when and after they play in a casino (especially at craps) and think they know-it-all when they actually just drank too much and "don't know squat."

Some of the misinformation and inconsistency you refute is because LS went back and edited her post. Her original claim was that she pushed a button labeled "C" (not "C&E" or whatever she says now) thinking it meant "CashOut". She didn't go back and fix every related fact in her story, which sounded bogus to start; now that seems even more likely.

The whole point of the story was to start a thread, IMO. It would be best to disregard the nonsense and learn something about the poster, which is what I'm doing.

Here we go again.😀

#SAVELS2
BlackjackPro.......RIP
LoquaciousMoFW
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July 7th, 2019 at 12:45:52 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

IIRC, all 10 cards in VP are "dealt" in advance - the card you receive when you discard a particular card is not affected by what other cards you discarded, or how long you take to push the "draw" button.

`6. Additionally, video poker games must not determine replacement cards prior to the playerselecting hold cards and initiating a draw. `
Source: last page of https://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=2919
beachbumbabs
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July 7th, 2019 at 12:59:04 PM permalink
Quote: LoquaciousMoFW

`6. Additionally, video poker games must not determine replacement cards prior to the playerselecting hold cards and initiating a draw. `
Source: last page of https://gaming.nv.gov/modules/showdocument.aspx?documentid=2919

Thanks. I meant to say this, but didn't know there was a state regulation for it. Great reference!

I have been told, by someone who programs such things, that the remaining deck (only one) cycles randomly, endlessly after the deal, until holds are selected, then cards are chosen at the instant the "draw" is pushed. This would seem to confirm that's the correct and legal way to program it.
If the House lost every hand, they wouldn't deal the game.
bobbartop
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July 7th, 2019 at 2:29:09 PM permalink
Quote: ThatDonGuy

IIRC, all 10 cards in VP are "dealt" in advance - the card you receive when you discard a particular card is not affected by what other cards you discarded, or how long you take to push the "draw" button.

I don't think so.
Don't believe anything until it is officially denied.
rxwine
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July 7th, 2019 at 3:01:22 PM permalink
Playing an old VP machine, I didn't notice I played a partial bet by accident on a few coins bet on the last bet before the credits ran out, but the bad part was after I reloaded cash, I forgot to hit max best and hit a RF with only a partial bet a little while later.
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AxelWolf
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