CTR for low income people
Quote: TomGI am sure there is no law about providing a social security card. But even if they insist on it, they can only withhold taxes, not the entire jackpot, right? Denying an entire jackpot is essentially saying the casino gets a free-roll on most foreigners and anyone else without a social security number -- and it's perfectly legal to never apply for a SSN. Withholding taxes just means you get back the correct amount when you file, correct?
On something like this (and a lot of other things people ask about here), I would suggest trying an assemblyman -- they are literally the people who make the law; or the attorney general -- literally the highest level of law enforcement. Any guidance they offer could go a long way without having to pay a retainer.
My ex was a foreigner with no ssn so they withheld taxes and paid the jackpot.(and no she was not an illegal immigrant)
That should answer you question
Quote: AxelWolfBut oftentimes that not how the system is being used, it's being used as a way of life. They figure out how to beat the system. It's a skill handed down though generations.
Somewhere Dan Lubin smiles
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Really, who goes shopping these days? Between delivery and curbside pickup, I'm leery of anyone hanging around cashiers watching what others buy.
Lastly, what is the connection between people buying lobster and Cadillac's. I have heard similar stories at least a dozen times. Fat( almost always black) people with a shopping cart full of luxury items bought with food stamps and then they drive off in their Escalade, complete with 500 Watt stereo and spinning hubcaps.
Quote: TomG
I say just give a jar of peanut butter, loaf of bread, and gallon of milk (or some equivalent) every week to anyone who is willing to wait in line for it. Then just cut out all food stamps entirely. It would save a lot of money. But Wal-Mart and 7-11 will never let that happen.
So heartless u won't even give them jelly for their peanut butter sandwich lol.
The problem is people havd dietary needs.
Religious reasons (no matzoh for passover? Etc.)
They have dietary requirements (sugary products for certain diabetes)
There are lactose intolerant people (and peanut allergies so their goes 2 of your choices)
Its probably easier to just let people choose their own food
Do they deliver them to each person? If so how?
Do they rent warehouses for the local deliveries? How many employees will it take to man these warehouses?
How does the food get to the warehouses?
Lets suppose SNAP is 8% of a businesses revenue. Will the government subsidize this lost income? If not, how many jobs will be lost due to lost business? Less business means less restocking. More jobs lost.
What about people with peanut allergies? Do we set up a separate delivery system for them?
Can I chose 1% milk? How about chocolate milk? Will the bread be brought locally or on a national basis to get economy of scale? I like rye bread, but my kids like white bread. Who chooses what we get?
Will there be local boards deciding their neighbors fates or will we have one central faceless panel deciding what a third of Americans eat.
Quote: darkozSo heartless u won't even give them jelly for their peanut butter sandwich lol.
The problem is people havd dietary needs.
Religious reasons (no matzoh for passover? Etc.)
They have dietary requirements (sugary products for certain diabetes)
There are lactose intolerant people (and peanut allergies so their goes 2 of your choices)
Its probably easier to just let people choose their own food
Sure their could be options, just like the charities that provide lunches to homeless often offer some really great vegan/organic/religious/healthy options. The other option would be to spend our own money on the things we need or want -- just as most of us currently are doing. It certainly wouldn't be easier, but it would be less expensive. And that's a big part of the problem: the government will always choose whatever is easy over whatever is cost efficient. Just throw money at a problem
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Blaming the people who catch the money being thrown at them always reminds me of the people who blamed Johnnie Cochran and Robert Shapiro for OJ for getting away with murder.
Quote: billryanSo the government would become the largest purchaser of peanut butter ,and also buy copious amounts of bread and milk.
Do they deliver them to each person? If so how?
Do they rent warehouses for the local deliveries? How many employees will it take to man these warehouses?
How does the food get to the warehouses?
Lets suppose SNAP is 8% of a businesses revenue. Will the government subsidize this lost income? If not, how many jobs will be lost due to lost business? Less business means less restocking. More jobs lost.
What about people with peanut allergies? Do we set up a separate delivery system for them?
Can I chose 1% milk? How about chocolate milk? Will the bread be brought locally or on a national basis to get economy of scale? I like rye bread, but my kids like white bread. Who chooses what we get?
Will there be local boards deciding their neighbors fates or will we have one central faceless panel deciding what a third of Americans eat.
You should know very well that this isn't going to be done. If it were, it could very well be done for a lot less than the $125 per person per month currently being spent -- and give benefits to more people. And if you had any problems with it, it would easily be solved by you going to the store and buying all the groceries you did like.
Perhaps there would be some negative externalities, like Wal-Mart losing some profits. That would be more offset by the lower tax burden we all pay into to provide our current welfare state.
Quote: ReyGarcia
For machine play, I thought the $10,000 transaction threshold means cash-in or cash-out more than $10,000 in 24 hours.
Does winning or losing more than $10,000 at any time during 24 hours count?
You are correct, winning or losing has nothing to do with a CTR. It is purely did you put more than $10,000 of cash into the machine or take more than $10,000 of cash out of the machine, It is all about the cash. If you cash out more than $10k, on a machine and ask the casino for a check instead of cash there will be no CTR. They are tracking cash going in or out of the casino.
Quote: billryanSo some people get peanut butter and bread while others get to pick their own foods? I'm not following. I thought your idea was to give everyone bland food to survive.
Everyone would have the option to get cheap food to help them survive. Certain barriers, like a time commitment of waiting in line, while also removing some barriers, like needing an ID or address, would allow more of it go to the people who need it the most.
Everyone would also have the option to go to any store they wanted to and buy whatever food (or non-food items) they want or need. Ideally, a lower cost to the government would mean most of us would pay less taxes and therefore have more money to spend on these things.
Far better than our current system where only some people are allowed to get these government handouts and the government spends a lot of money on it.
No shame in helping someone back on their feet, but they have to decide to stand up. Sadly instead we have created dependency instead of making changes in their life. And I refuse to believe most are not capable of it, I just believe they will take the easy way out.
Why get a 2nd job to feed your family when they guy who did will pay for you not to?
Quote: BozAxel’s an AP, he is just betting the odds based on what he observed. Probably the Best Bet of the year. Liberal defenders of welfare always try to justify it with this nonsense. When the bottom line is a huge percentage of ‘cipients as I call them have us paying for their bad life decisions.
No shame in helping someone back on their feet, but they have to decide to stand up. Sadly instead we have created dependency instead of making changes in their life. And I refuse to believe most are not capable of it, I just believe they will take the easy way out.
Why get a 2nd job to feed your family when they guy who did will pay for you not to?
The US will not be the first nation to be brought to its knees by citizens realizing that they can vote largesse from their treasury. Nor will it be the last. We are still at the beginning of the end. #YANG2020 too get us there sooner.
Quote: BozWhy get a 2nd job to feed your family when they guy who did will pay for you not to?
A much more important question is why so many put any blame on the people who benefits from the welfare state in order to take blame away from the welfare state itself?
It really doesn't matter that it's "easy way out" or not. All that matters is that it is an available way out at all. So long as that way is available, there will be an endless number of people cycling through it as much as possible. Focusing any energy and effort on them without closing their path is both wasteful and allows it to continue forever. It seems that's how most people want it (especially the people in power). Create a surefire way to turn a segment of our own people into villains, then vilify them.
"I am all for helping the needy"
Followed by
"But i am convinced the needy can stop being lazy amd help themselves rather than those well off doing it."
Seems contradictory.
No one leftie or rightie advocates for welfare fraud. If people dont deserve welfare handouts are taking them we should all agree they need to be kicked off the welfare rolls or even have charges pressed.
Which brings us to the truly needy.
If the only issue is fraud then we need better fraud protections. Thats not a slight on those who collect welfare that truly need it.
Unless your argument is needy people should never receive help. In that case stop trying to look like a nice hearted person by prefacing your disgust with statements like "I have nothing against helping those in need EXCEPT..."
Quote: ChumpChangeA fast food combo meal is running $10-$15. Food Stamps only pays $3-$6 a day.
That's because the gov is lying about inflation. Their numbers need to be multiplied by 2.5.
It's possible someone rolled 18 yo's in a row, but I will bet the NO.Quote: darkoz
Its possible these people honestly reported their income and quaified.
Can one report their drug sales , pimping, hooking, and theft earnings and still get SNAP?
Quote: ChumpChangeThe rent for a 1 bedroom apartment in many big cities is already at $2500 a month. Workers at McD's would have to be working for $80 an hour part time to get out of their parent's basement. Poverty level could be near $100,000/year based on affordable housing.
As designed. Isn't life grand?
Quote: AxelWolfI went to Walmart today to get some steak and other stuff to grill. When I got to the meat section there was a black couple in their late 20's and their 3 young toddlers (one called out daddy so I must assume it was their dad) blocking the T-bone's while they were loading the T-bones up in their already packed cart, I noticed a big bad of frozen Jumbo shrimp. That's a good thing since It made me remember I needed some as well. After they moved on, I gabbed a few T-bones for myself. A while later when I arrived at the self checkout the same family was also at self check-out-stand to my right waiting on an attendant to fix a problem. I heard the attendant asking if they were trying to using their snap benefits, they replied, yes. They also had a big bag pf charcoal and other BBQ stuff and a bunch of chips.
Once I pied for my stuff I headed for my car. On the way to my car I noticed the same family loading up their stuff in a Cadillac Escalade. I have no clue what year it was, but it looked fairly new to me. The guy looked big, healthy and very fit to me(Romes would have been all excited (-;).
I have no idea why this type of shopping with SNAP is allowed. There doesn't seem to be any motivation for them to get off the program when you are eating like that.
Don't get me started on them allowing people to use it at the 7-11.
One may have called him daddy, but they could be unmarried and she is on assistance with 2 of her own kids. If the new guy skips out, she's on her own again. (that's just a possible explanation)
Quote: darkozAn Octopus?
Heres what it sounds like to me.
The guy is playing high limit slots. $20, $50 higher? Prefty easy ro reach $250k in action at $100 per spin.
Triggering lots of jackpots but still losing. He loses $8k and then wins a jackpot for $7k for example.
He isnt playing 4 machines simultaneously as much as hes enjoining another machine while the others are locked up in jackpot mode waiting for the slot attendants.
Is this what hes doing?
Also, is he being rated with a players card and keeping the card in all four machines? If it really is simultaneously played machines he probably does not have 4 cards of his own in the machine. Thats why the casino maybe tracking him as a winner when hes actually losing
He has 4 cards of his own in the 4 machines, because the low max bet per machine, and he wants to bet more.
I'm sure casino tracked him as a loser as he actually lost.
He played baccarat machine, not slots, he didn't win any jackpot or anything high variance. No w-2g, no single payout more than 10k.
He never win or loss more than 10k(4 machines combined) at any given point.
To avoid vouchers become too large of an amount at some points, he cashed out the vouchers at ticket redemption and reinserted cash back to the machines while his cards were inserted.
So he did feed more than 10k into the 4 machines.
I think that's why the casino locked his card and required his SSN and W-9.
Quote: ReyGarciaHow come an AP thread turned into an off-topic social problem thread..
You're just lucky, I guess.
The best situation I think is instead of it being a system where people can leech from forever, to make it a system where it’s only for those who can’t help themselves and/or down on your luck. It’d be available forever for those who are legit handicapped like mentally retarded or some other form of severe messed-up-ness. It would be TEMPORARY for those who just lost their job, that sort of situation.
Something else which is probably a terrible idea but I like anyway — let people donate money to *legitimate* charities to completely offset their tax burden. If I owe $15,000 in taxes then I should be able to donate $15,000 to a legit verified food bank and have to pay $0 in net taxes. Perhaps put some sort of limit on it. I’m sure there are many kinks in that plan (how to avoid corruption?), and that sorta stuff.
Quote: ReyGarciaHow come an AP thread turned into an off-topic social problem thread..
AP is boring.
Quote: ReyGarcia
To avoid vouchers become too large of an amount at some points, he cashed out the vouchers at ticket redemption and reinserted cash back to the machines while his cards were inserted.
So he did feed more than 10k into the 4 machines.
I think that's why the casino locked his card and required his SSN and W-9. [/q
Not sure putting the money in the machines counts, but receiving cash at the cage in exchange for a TITO would count.
Quote: RSI
The best situation I think is instead of it being a system where people can leech from forever, to make it a system where it’s only for those who can’t help themselves and/or down on your luck. It’d be available forever for those who are legit handicapped like mentally retarded or some other form of severe messed-up-ness. It would be TEMPORARY for those who just lost their job, that sort of situation.
I have great news for you RS
Thats already how it works.
Your imagination that anyone gets on and just stays on for their lifetime notwithstanding
Quote: ReyGarciaHe has 4 cards of his own in the 4 machines, because the low max bet per machine, and he wants to bet more.
I'm sure casino tracked him as a loser as he actually lost.
He played baccarat machine, not slots, he didn't win any jackpot or anything high variance. No w-2g, no single payout more than 10k.
He never win or loss more than 10k(4 machines combined) at any given point.
To avoid vouchers become too large of an amount at some points, he cashed out the vouchers at ticket redemption and reinserted cash back to the machines while his cards were inserted.
So he did feed more than 10k into the 4 machines.
I think that's why the casino locked his card and required his SSN and W-9.
Is this in Atlantic City?
In AC cashout of vouchers is tracked to your players card and cash out at kiosks is aggregated together
Over $10,000 in cashouts will trigger a CTR
Quote: darkozI have great news for you RS
Thats already how it works.
Your imagination that anyone gets on and just stays on for their lifetime notwithstanding
Is it your assertion that there aren't people on welfare who have been on it for years? Excluding severe cases like people who are retarded.
Quote: darkozI have great news for you RS
Thats already how it works.
Your imagination that anyone gets on and just stays on for their lifetime notwithstanding
https://pocketsense.com/long-can-stay-food-stamps-6425.html
The important takeaway....There is NO time limit as long as you quality.
So as long as you sling rock, su&k c&$k or otherwise avoid legitimate income, you are Golden. Ain’t America Great?
Pretty awful clickbait site, regardless of the validity of the 'article'Quote: Bozhttps://pocketsense.com/long-can-stay-food-stamps-6425.html
The important takeaway....There is NO time limit as long as you quality.
So as long as you sling rock, su&k c&$k or otherwise avoid legitimate income, you are Golden. Ain’t America Great?
Quote: Bozhttps://pocketsense.com/long-can-stay-food-stamps-6425.html
The important takeaway....There is NO time limit AS LONG AS YOU QUALIFY.
So as long as you sling rock, su&k c&$k or otherwise avoid legitimate income, you are Golden. Ain’t America Great?
I took the liberty of not changing one word of your post.
I simply bolded the most relevant part.
I cant think of a better system than people only receive benefits WHEN THEY QUALIFY.
Again, not sure what your reasoning is that people who qualify should NOT receive benefits except your own beliefs that needy people (the definition of qualifying for assistance) should be denied help.
If there is fraud, those should be expelled and prosecuted. The rest (those who qualify) should keep their benefits
Quote: darkozI took the liberty of not changing one word of your post.
I simply bolded the most relevant part.
I cant think of a better system than people only receive benefits WHEN THEY QUALIFY.
Again, not sure what your reasoning is that people who qualify should NOT receive benefits except your own beliefs that needy people (the definition of qualifying for assistance) should be denied help.
If there is fraud, those should be expelled and prosecuted. The rest (those who qualify) should keep their benefits
Or, if of sound body and mind, get off your F’n ass and get a 2nd job or do something to improve their lives. Somewhere there has to be a willingness to improve your life and that of your family. Unfortunately the past shows it often continues generation to generation and the giving of handouts contributed to it.
The difference is I believe most people are capable of improving their lives if forced to. Whereas you continue to defend laziness and poor life decisions.
Quote: BozOr, if of sound body and mind, get off your F’n ass and get a 2nd job or do something to improve their lives. Somewhere there has to be a willingness to improve your life and that of your family. Unfortunately the past shows it often continues generation to generation and the giving of handouts contributed to it.
The difference is I believe most people are capable of improving their lives if forced to. Whereas you continue to defend laziness and poor life decisions.
Boz,
https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2019/02/01/2018-28059/supplemental-nutrition-assistance-program-requirements-for-able-bodied-adults-without-dependents
Please read the first sentence first paragraph in that link.
It states people able to work have restrictions on the amount of time they can receive public assistance within a given time frame 36 months or i.e. once you have received your quota of benefits you are ineligible for at 3 years from any more benefits.
What you are advocating IS ALREADY IN EXISTENCE.
Again, not sure why you are imagining the government is just handing out money with no time limits to undeserving people.
You have yet to show an official government link that says your claims
All the links I have given advocate precisely what you want.
Please clarify.
Quote: ChumpChangeA fast food combo meal is running $10-$15. Food Stamps only pays $3-$6 a day. #FightFor15
I eat off of the dollar menu so why can't they? I get two chicken sandwiches, a fry, and a drink for $4 at McDonalds.
Quote: DRichI eat off of the dollar menu so why can't they? I get two chicken sandwiches, a fry, and a drink for $4 at McDonalds.
Bah. Using their app can knock 25% off that. Stop throwing your money away. Food stamps can't be used at fast food joints. In fact, it's hard to use them on any hot food. That seems counterintuitive.
Quote: billryanBah. Using their app can knock 25% off that. Stop throwing your money away. Food stamps can't be used at fast food joints. In fact, it's hard to use them on any hot food. That seems counterintuitive.
In NY you cant use food stamps for hot food
I really think righties imagine poor people eating at Sizzler and paying with an EBT card
Quote: BozOr, if of sound body and mind, get off your F’n ass and get a 2nd job or do something to improve their lives. Somewhere there has to be a willingness to improve your life and that of your family. Unfortunately the past shows it often continues generation to generation and the giving of handouts contributed to it.
The difference is I believe most people are capable of improving their lives if forced to. Whereas you continue to defend laziness and poor life decisions.
Working at a job or multiple jobs, improving our lives, and collecting food stamps are not mutually exclusive activities.
There are a lot of people who do get off their ass, earn an income, support a family and get welfare. There are also people who do that and don't collect welfare. And then there are people who sit on their ass all day and collect a government check. And people who sit around all day and don't collect.
The problem lies entirely with the people who continue to give out the welfare when not appropriate. Continually and constantly blaming the people collecting it is completely illogical and is a big part of what allows it to continue forever.
Quote: darkozIn NY you cant use food stamps for hot food
I really think righties imagine poor people eating at Sizzler and paying with an EBT card
No. They think they are dining at steakhouses and taking the leftovers home in Range Rovers.
And now he imagines everyone else must be doing it.
Quote: darkozBoz is imagining all the steaks he could buy if he applied and was approved for food stamps.
And now he imagines everyone else must be doing it.
I got bored with bozosBoz's rantings well over a year ago. Only person I've ever put on ignore. Somehow, I have managed to survive. As has the Republic.
Quote: billryanI got bored with bozosBoz's rantings well over a year ago. Only person I've ever put on ignore. Somehow, I have managed to survive. As has the Republic.
Looks like another suspension is coming. 😂
No but they can sell their food stamps for cash at 50% or more and buy anything they want.Quote: darkozIn NY you cant use food stamps for hot food
I really think righties imagine poor people eating at Sizzler and paying with an EBT card
IIRC over 40% of people stay on food stamps for 3 or 4 years at a time. My guess it there are some people who can work, but they chose not and stay on them forever. Don't try to convince me that the SNAP program is not full of fraud and abuse. I bet a very high percentage of people are gaming the system.
I know people who are now without kids who have been on them for over 40 years, give or take a few years. I know someone who's been on welfare then disability, HUD and food stamps for over 50 years(or about that long on some combination of government assistance). Their disability is the fact that they were moved up in grades and graduated when their grads showed they should have been held back, and they don't work well with others. They have and do live a very carefree comfortable life Living in the same place over over 25 years.
Quote: MaxPenLooks like another suspension is coming. 😂
Before any suspension i think Bill should have the chance to explain if he meant to pervert Boz name to Bozo. Or if spell checker did that.
"I got bored with Boz's ranting over a year ago" is not an insult imo.
Unless he meant to call him Bozo in which case
Quote: billryanThat was actually auto correct. Sometimes machines have a sense of humour.
Then you should use the edit button, FYI- auto correct on this site changes it to How's.
No doubt someone has figured out how to use them to gamble online.Quote: billryanNo. They think they are dining at steakhouses and taking the leftovers home in Range Rovers.
