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May 12th, 2019 at 9:04:19 PM permalink
Although most of the jobs won't kick in until next spring, there are currently over 10,000 openings nationwide for work in the coming weeks. In Nevada, they are currently looking for recruiters, for drivers to transport recruiting material( in your own car), front and back office help and more.
You must be a US Citizen and be at least 18 to work in the field. Younger students can get work in the district offices. Pay starts at $13 but most jobs pay about $20, depending on location. Supervisors can make up to $30 an hour. These jobs are flexible hours, and offer no benefits, no holidays or possibility of permanent employment.
Ideal jobs for students and retirees.
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10 years ago I was on the management team in my area. Best job ever. Made something like $23 an hour plus travel, mileage, and lots of overtime.

I learned how the government works. I was in charge of the ethnic division. Our main goal was to distribute census forms to areas that may not speak English. We had these boxes that we had to build and distribute to places like grocery stores.

So main boss gives us our duties. Me and another guy had to build around 200 of these boxes that basically just unfolded. We did it in half a day. Boss comes in and sees that we aren done and freaks out. Said that was our job for an entire week. He said if we are done then we have to go home and he has to report less hours which messes up their budget. He made us take everything apart and told us to make it last a week.
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May 12th, 2019 at 10:30:33 PM permalink
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Although most of the jobs won't kick in until next spring, there are currently over 10,000 openings nationwide for work in the coming weeks. In Nevada, they are currently looking for recruiters, for drivers to transport recruiting material( in your own car), front and back office help and more.
You must be a US Citizen and be at least 18 to work in the field. Younger students can get work in the district offices. Pay starts at $13 but most jobs pay about $20, depending on location. Supervisors can make up to $30 an hour. These jobs are flexible hours, and offer no benefits, no holidays or possibility of permanent employment.
Ideal jobs for students and retirees.

Trump creating more jobs I see. (-;
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May 12th, 2019 at 11:03:57 PM permalink
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10 years ago I was on the management team in my area. Best job ever. Made something like $23 an hour plus travel, mileage, and lots of overtime.

I learned how the government works. I was in charge of the ethnic division. Our main goal was to distribute census forms to areas that may not speak English. We had these boxes that we had to build and distribute to places like grocery stores.

So main boss gives us our duties. Me and another guy had to build around 200 of these boxes that basically just unfolded. We did it in half a day. Boss comes in and sees that we aren done and freaks out. Said that was our job for an entire week. He said if we are done then we have to go home and he has to report less hours which messes up their budget. He made us take everything apart and told us to make it last a week.



In 2000 ,I was a Field Supervisor for about three months. One of the best jobs I ever had. Was able to put together an amazing team that was incredibly efficient. We did four operations and came in well under budget. For 2010, I had my boss's old job and was never able to get a great team under me. The biggest problem was that with the economy being so bad, people would take the Census job while looking for something permanent. Had a constant turnover of key people so I spent as much time training replacements as doing my real job. Herding cats comes to minds. It never got better than controlled chaos but we finished under budget and scored high on The inspectors reports. Three of the seven Queens Districts had to be recanvased.
This time around, I'm hoping for part time work as a worker drone.
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May 13th, 2019 at 3:36:52 AM permalink
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10 years ago I was on the management team in my area. Best job ever. Made something like $23 an hour plus travel, mileage, and lots of overtime.

I learned how the government works. I was in charge of the ethnic division. Our main goal was to distribute census forms to areas that may not speak English. We had these boxes that we had to build and distribute to places like grocery stores.

So main boss gives us our duties. Me and another guy had to build around 200 of these boxes that basically just unfolded. We did it in half a day. Boss comes in and sees that we aren done and freaks out. Said that was our job for an entire week. He said if we are done then we have to go home and he has to report less hours which messes up their budget. He made us take everything apart and told us to make it last a week.



this makes me sad and mad at the govt
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May 13th, 2019 at 6:32:02 AM permalink
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this makes me sad and mad at the govt



The stories I could tell from my 10 years with the federal government.

Back to the census, my mother did this temporary work. She had to knock on doors at Leisure World, a huge retirement community in California, of people who didn't turn in their forms.
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May 13th, 2019 at 7:01:50 AM permalink
I will volunteer to transport materials...while driving for Uber 😊
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May 13th, 2019 at 7:14:05 AM permalink
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this makes me sad and mad at the govt



It is at all levels. Guy worked for me told a story of him and another guy had to check some things on all the local schools. They went about it and a day and a half later told there boss "here you go!" Boss said they must not have done it right, do it again. Day and a half later boss says the same thing, adds that it should take a couple weeks.

Some time during this process the boss says he is taking some kind of personal time and will be at this one beach on Lake Ontario. This was said with a wink to mean, "I don't care where you guys go all day, as long as it is somewhere else." IOW, if they were somehow caught together they would all be in trouble, but apart they all had deniability.
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May 13th, 2019 at 7:20:41 AM permalink
My first Census was 1980 and we got paid by the forms we turned in. In one particular operation, my whole crew ended up making less then minimum wage as it was really difficult to turn in completed forms.
The next phase was ridiculous as I was sent to an residential apartment complex to finish partially filled out forms.
I had about fifty forms that had incomplete information that I was able to obtain from the office in a single afternoon.
Ten to fifteen forms a day was considered a full days work and I was able to knock out a weeks work in a day.
That became a pattern. They would give us a very frustrating task for a week or two and then reward us with a couple days of layups.
By 2000, it was strictly pay per hour for field work, but the data entry folks got bonuses for speed and accuracy.
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May 13th, 2019 at 8:38:23 AM permalink
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So main boss gives us our duties. Me and another guy had to build around 200 of these boxes that basically just unfolded. We did it in half a day. Boss comes in and sees that we aren done and freaks out. Said that was our job for an entire week. He said if we are done then we have to go home and he has to report less hours which messes up their budget. He made us take everything apart and told us to make it last a week.



That is the very definition of a government job... haha...
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A bit of a change of topic, but for "race" I always check "other" and write in "human." I think because I think it's none of the government's business and I oppose gerrymandering and racial quotas, which is the main purpose of the question, as I understand it.

My question is answering this question optional, or might it get a knock on the door for an incomplete form?
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May 13th, 2019 at 12:44:40 PM permalink
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A bit of a change of topic, but for "race" I always check "other" and write in "human." I think because I think it's none of the government's business and I oppose gerrymandering and racial quotas, which is the main purpose of the question, as I understand it.

My question is answering this question optional, or might it get a knock on the door for an incomplete form?



I ran the division in the final stages of last census and our job was to get invalid forms corrected. They didn't tell us why they were invalid, they just gave us a list if who to knock on.
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May 13th, 2019 at 12:59:31 PM permalink
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A bit of a change of topic, but for "race" I always check "other" and write in "human." I think because I think it's none of the government's business and I oppose gerrymandering and racial quotas, which is the main purpose of the question, as I understand it.

My question is answering this question optional, or might it get a knock on the door for an incomplete form?



If you leave it blank, you just wasted a couple hundred dollars as it will get kicked out, hand checked, assigned to an office who will distribute it to a supervisor who assigns it to a cheerleader to give to an enumerates who will knock on your door. If you answer the door and refuse to answer it, hopefully the person uses common sense and observes that you are white. If you don't answer the door, he should make a second and third attempt. Then they will knock on your neighbors doors and try and get the information that way. They also might consult your mailman.
All questions are optional. The more you fill out, the less likely you'll get a follow up. Much of this census is going to be conducted online so past procedures may be obsolete. Now anyone can Google a person and see their race.
The bottom line is if you don't answer voluntarily, the government will spend your tax dollars to get the answers. Consider yourself a job creator.
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The government has people getting a paycheck and not even reporting for work.
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May 13th, 2019 at 6:37:33 PM permalink
I will be boycotting and or protesting the census in 2020. Can you just tell them to get off your lawn, or cease and desist when those nosey pro census peoples come around? I want my census monies spent on more important things, like secure borders and more permanent jobs for border patrol.
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May 13th, 2019 at 6:41:22 PM permalink
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Quote: Wizard

A bit of a change of topic, but for "race" I always check "other" and write in "human." I think because I think it's none of the government's business and I oppose gerrymandering and racial quotas, which is the main purpose of the question, as I understand it.

My question is answering this question optional, or might it get a knock on the door for an incomplete form?



If you leave it blank, you just wasted a couple hundred dollars as it will get kicked out, hand checked, assigned to an office who will distribute it to a supervisor who assigns it to a cheerleader to give to an enumerates who will knock on your door. If you answer the door and refuse to answer it, hopefully the person uses common sense and observes that you are white. If you don't answer the door, he should make a second and third attempt. Then they will knock on your neighbors doors and try and get the information that way. They also might consult your mailman.
All questions are optional. The more you fill out, the less likely you'll get a follow up. Much of this census is going to be conducted online so past procedures may be obsolete. Now anyone can Google a person and see their race.
The bottom line is if you don't answer voluntarily, the government will spend your tax dollars to get the answers. Consider yourself a job creator.


What should SWIM do to wreak as much havoc as possible?
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May 13th, 2019 at 7:02:39 PM permalink
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The government has people getting a paycheck and not even reporting for work.



You say that as if it is a bad thing.
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May 13th, 2019 at 7:39:44 PM permalink
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I will be boycotting and or protesting the census in 2020. Can you just tell them to get off your lawn, or cease and desist when those nosey pro census peoples come around? I want my census monies spent on more important things, like secure borders and more permanent jobs for border patrol.



You certainly can but be aware that the enumerstors will then go knocking on your neighbors doors to ask the questions and to get the best possible answers
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May 13th, 2019 at 7:46:49 PM permalink
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You certainly can but be aware that the enumerstors will then go knocking on your neighbors doors to ask the questions and to get the best possible answers



Thou dost protest to that nonsense.
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May 14th, 2019 at 2:45:36 PM permalink
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If you leave it blank, you just wasted a couple hundred dollars as it will get kicked out, hand checked, assigned to an office who will distribute it to a supervisor who assigns it to a cheerleader to give to an enumerates who will knock on your door. If you answer the door and refuse to answer it, hopefully the person uses common sense and observes that you are white. If you don't answer the door, he should make a second and third attempt. Then they will knock on your neighbors doors and try and get the information that way. They also might consult your mailman.
All questions are optional. The more you fill out, the less likely you'll get a follow up. Much of this census is going to be conducted online so past procedures may be obsolete. Now anyone can Google a person and see their race.
The bottom line is if you don't answer voluntarily, the government will spend your tax dollars to get the answers. Consider yourself a job creator.



Thank you. Interesting. Here is the 2016 form. As mentioned, I checked "other" for question 9 and wrote in "human." I view it as my civic duty to answer the form. I plan to continue doing the same, as I think it makes the statement I'm trying to make. If the Census doesn't like it, they can contact me. Plus, to be honest, I bet anyone who has an issue with the race question is probably white anyway, and they know it.
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May 14th, 2019 at 3:37:50 PM permalink
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The government has people getting a paycheck and not even reporting for work.



Good... they're doing less damage that way.
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May 14th, 2019 at 3:45:46 PM permalink
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A bit of a change of topic, but for "race" I always check "other" and write in "human." I think because I think it's none of the government's business and I oppose gerrymandering and racial quotas, which is the main purpose of the question, as I understand it.

My question is answering this question optional, or might it get a knock on the door for an incomplete form?



Simply putting "other" should be sufficient. I don't think "human" is accurate as that would probably be considered the species, not "race". But there seems to be quite a bit of disagreement between biologists as to what constitutes different subspecies and races. I always answer "other" with nothing written because I haven't found any acceptable answers as to how these races are defined -- from what I can tell some of it is skin color, some of it is geography, some of it is culture, some of it is personal choice, some of it is just guessing. Just give me a clear way to define it and I'll have no problem answering it. Until it can be as clearly defined as age, sex, or residency, it shouldn't be a part of the census. What I know is that my oldest ancestors are from the ocean, my oldest human ancestors are from Africa, and my most recent ancestors are from America. Everything in between is extremely murky.
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May 14th, 2019 at 4:03:44 PM permalink
There used to be a website that explained the reasoning behind each question. Some I remember but some I don't want to guess at. Its important the government knows how many people live in an area. some of the other questions I understand why they want the information but I understand some reluctance. The old long form was a mess. We used to expect X amount of paperwork processed per eight hours. A long form counted as 2 times a short form.
One day,One of my guys called me and asked if he could authorize eight hours pay for this one worker. Normally I'd want to see 10-12 forms if someone wanted a full days pay for a few hours work, but this girl was only handing in one long form. Then I looked at it and there were 31 people living in the house and she got enough information from two of them on everyone. Not only did I pay her for the day but I nominated her as Census worker of the Month( she didn't win)

One last Census story. This was from 2000, in a section of Queens called Corona where the undocumented population is maybe 50% of the total population. As expected, we had a horrible response to the mailed out forms. I forget the number but it was far below other districts. We had a whole Outreach team that was set to go speak to community leaders and the like preparing them for us going door to door. It was a rough neighborhood and who knows how an undocumented person is going to react when a Fed knocks on their door.
So the local Catholic Church agrees to let us set up in the vestibule and have the people come to us rather than go to them.
The Outreach people send some people and one of my Crew Leaders has a number of Spanish speaking workers all set.
The Mass starts and the Priest begins telling everyone how important it is to help fil out the forms and how they have nothing to worry about. Its all in Spanish and I'm having trouble following his dialect but the looks on peoples faces tells me he isn't getting through to them.
Then he starts telling the Nativity story, with no room at the inn and how Jesus, the Lord of the Universe was born in a manger, far from his home because his parents were participating in a census. If the Mother of God herself could make such a trip while pregnant, and give birth to the Messiah in a stable just to fill out a census form, then no one in the church had anything better to do than fill it out today. My people were mobbed. We'd hoped to get forty or fifty forms filled out but for word of mouth to get around making our job easier. Instead, we got several hundred and people actually phoned others to come fill out the forms.
A festivus miracle, if anything.
PS- two years later, an inspection showed that one of the District Supervisors deliberately allowed questionable forms to be counted so he could get his bonus. Much of our work for some four months was tossed out and recanvased. He also was alleged to have pocketed $800 allotted for an office closing party. It must have cost a million dollars to recanvas. He got community service and a lifetime ban from Federal employment.
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May 14th, 2019 at 4:17:11 PM permalink
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Thank you. Interesting. Here is the 2016 form. As mentioned, I checked "other" for question 9 and wrote in "human." I view it as my civic duty to answer the form. I plan to continue doing the same, as I think it makes the statement I'm trying to make. If the Census doesn't like it, they can contact me. Plus, to be honest, I bet anyone who has an issue with the race question is probably white anyway, and they know it.



What a racist generalization.

And NO I’m not calling you a racist. But I would love to know the mathematics you used to make that assumption.

Honestly.

And do “probably “, “honest” and “bet” belong in the same sentence?
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May 15th, 2019 at 6:07:59 PM permalink
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What a racist generalization.

And NO I’m not calling you a racist. But I would love to know the mathematics you used to make that assumption.

Honestly.

And do “probably “, “honest” and “bet” belong in the same sentence?



I'd probably dig myself deeper in the hole if I tried to explain it. However, I think most people know I'm right, but aren't as stupid as me as to say it.
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May 15th, 2019 at 8:10:12 PM permalink
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Thank you. Interesting. Here is the 2016 form. As mentioned, I checked "other" for question 9 and wrote in "human." I view it as my civic duty to answer the form. I plan to continue doing the same, as I think it makes the statement I'm trying to make. If the Census doesn't like it, they can contact me. Plus, to be honest, I bet anyone who has an issue with the race question is probably white anyway, and they know it.


What are the legalities behind filling out a census form?

1. What if I lie on it, am I breaking the law? The form doesn't appear to have a signature area. I don't see any of the "Under penalty of law/perjury..." clauses in there
2. Same thing applies, but if a census person changes your answer. Let's say I leave my "race" blank and he marks it as "white" or w/e, is he breaking the law?
3. I assume filling out the form isn't required by law....or is it?

Also, what exactly is "Spanish/Latino origin" mean? How is it different than race? Also LOL at asking for the person's age as of April 1....but then it also asks for their date of birth. Also LOL at the following...

Quote:

You may e-mail comments to <Paperwork@census.gov>; use "Paperwork Project 0607-0919-C" as the subject.



PAPERWORK PROJECT 0607-0919-C

hahahahahaahaa, yeah I'm sure everyone's doing that..smh.
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May 16th, 2019 at 2:22:33 AM permalink
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I will be boycotting and or protesting the census in 2020. Can you just tell them to get off your lawn, or cease and desist when those nosey pro census peoples come around? I want my census monies spent on more important things, like secure borders and more permanent jobs for border patrol.



Just mail in the form and nobody should show up. The census is a Constitutional requirement, though all the questions beyond the count are not.
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