Biden calls for A New World Order
Quote: bobbartopGo ahead and laugh, but you'll be laughing at your own ignorance of the situation. It is absolutely true that the Nicaraguan National Guard ran out of ammunition at the height of the Sandanista attack on their country. As I said earlier, that was Jimmy Carter's doing. And there was indeed a ship of ammunition from Israel not allowed to dock. Laugh all you want. If I thought you had any integrity I'd propose a wager. You'd lose, dude.
No one is arguing they ran out of ammo. What you don't seem to get, or maybe you do and just don't care, is that the reason they ran out of ammo is that they were using it on their own citizens. The tens of thousands they shot, the estimated 100,000 they raped. No legitimate government does that to its own people and no man of good will calls the leader of such a mob a great man or a friend to America. No other country in the world would lift a finger to help them, except Israel.
Do you accept Somo's assertion that Jimmy Carter teamed up with Fidel Castro to deprive the people of Nicaragua of his noble leadership because they feared his charismatic personality would outshine them on the world stage?
Quote: TigerWuNew world order =/= one world government =/= the Illuminati =/= communism.
You're taking like three or four different conspiracy theories and twisting them all up into one. Might as well throw Flat Earth in there while you're at it; it'd be a little funnier that way.
Nope, just one conspiracy. Not a conspiracy theory, a conspiracy. May 1, 1776, founding of the Illuminati, and the whole list of communists around the world celebrate it every year. The objectives of the Illuminati, same as the objectives of Marx. What's more ridiculous than believing it is a conspiracy is that you believe it is all coincidence. Now THAT is funny. ha ha
Quote: bobbartopGo ahead and laugh, but you'll be laughing at your own ignorance of the situation. It is absolutely true that the Nicaraguan National Guard ran out of ammunition at the height of the Sandanista attack on their country. As I said earlier, that was Jimmy Carter's doing. And there was indeed a ship of ammunition from Israel not allowed to dock. Laugh all you want. If I thought you had any integrity I'd propose a wager. You'd lose, dude.
Bob,
You said earlier, "we're just talking here". Ok, fine, but this is the 3rd time you've thrown shade in your rants. Calling out someone's intelligence or integrity does not belong within a civil conversation on this board. Warning.
Quote: billryanNo one is arguing they ran out of ammo.
Oops, someone just changed horses. What happened, lose a shoe?
Of course they ran out of ammunition shooting the communist invaders. Did I say they were shooting pheasant? You sound happy that they fell to communism. Dude, you're twisted. That's sick. What do you think happens after communists take over a country? Love and flowers? gtfo
Quote: beachbumbabsBob,
You said earlier, "we're just talking here". Ok, fine, but this is the 3rd time you've thrown shade in your rants. Calling out someone's intelligence or integrity does not belong within a civil conversation on this board. Warning.
Oh, I'm the bad guy. Billy is happy that the country fell to communism, but I'm an a-hole. Did you notice that he finally admitted they ran out of ammunition? After a zillion posts, now he changes horses. That's not an indication of integrity, otherwise we could have made a friendly wager. Ask him if he feels insulted by me. I insist we are "just talking". If he feels insulted by me, I'll gladly leave if you want. Well, not gladly, but I would if I say I would.
Quote: bobbartopOh, I'm the bad guy. Billy is happy that the country fell to communism, but I'm an a-hole. Did you notice that he finally admitted they ran out of ammunition? After a zillion posts, now he changes horses. That's not an indication of integrity, otherwise we could have made a friendly wager. Ask him if he feels insulted by me. I insist we are "just talking". If he feels insulted by me, I'll gladly leave if you want. Well, not gladly, but I would if I say I would.
And I did NOT call out his intelligence. I said he was ignorant of the situation. I said he lacks facts, I did not say he is stupid. I wouldn't do that. Do you think I'm stupid?
You need to make your case without insulting the person you're talking to. That's all I'm saying.
You said, "...if you had any integrity, I would make a bet..." . (exact or paraphrase) to bill. Not cool.
Earlier you said other stuff directed AT people.
Are the Sandanistas any better than the dictatorship they expelled? Time will tell.
can't get the nomination for
3 reasons:
Way too old
Way too White
Way too male
And there's the Me Too Joe,
don't forget. Mr touchy feely
Joe.
Quote: beachbumbabsThe rule is, no personal insults towards other members. I'm not defending either side of the argument: I'm enforcing the rules.
You need to make your case without insulting the person you're talking to. That's all I'm saying.
You said, "...if you had any integrity, I would make a bet..." . (exact or paraphrase) to bill. Not cool.
Earlier you said other stuff directed AT people.
I rarely get upset by anything written here, but questioning my integrity is a cheap, uncalled for insult.
Just because you can't win with facts is no reason to resort to insults.
Quote: EvenBobWhy talk about Biden at all, he
can't get the nomination for
3 reasons:
Way too old
Way too White
Way too male
And there's the Me Too Joe,
don't forget. Mr touchy feely
Joe.
You are right. Talking about Biden would be a waste of your time.
Quote: beachbumbabsThe rule is, no personal insults towards other members. I'm not defending either side of the argument: I'm enforcing the rules.
You need to make your case without insulting the person you're talking to. That's all I'm saying.
You aaid, "...if you had any integrity, I would make a bet..." . Not cool.
How about I change that to "If I THOUGHT he had integrity"?
May I suggest you close and lock this thread? I'll go to the casino and play video keno against an 8% edge. Some place where I feel welcome. And it's going to be hot today, over 90, and I'm already warm.
Quote: bobbartopOh, I'm the bad guy. Billy is happy that the country fell to communism, but I'm an a-hole. Did you notice that he finally admitted they ran out of ammunition? After a zillion posts, now he changes horses. That's not an indication of integrity, otherwise we could have made a friendly wager. Ask him if he feels insulted by me. I insist we are "just talking". If he feels insulted by me, I'll gladly leave if you want. Well, not gladly, but I would if I say I would.
I'm insulted. I obviously disagree with your world view, but don't need to cast aspersions. You said to ask me. Now we get to see if you are a man of your word.
When did I ever deny they ran out of ammo? The fact that no other nation in the hemisphere would help them is what eventually forced the dictator to flee with the four billion dollars he stole.
Anyway, here is a chance for you to show your quality. I wish you well.
Quote: bobbartopNope, just one conspiracy. Not a conspiracy theory, a conspiracy. May 1, 1776, founding of the Illuminati, and the whole list of communists around the world celebrate it every year. The objectives of the Illuminati, same as the objectives of Marx. What's more ridiculous than believing it is a conspiracy is that you believe it is all coincidence. Now THAT is funny. ha ha
I said nothing about anything being a "coincidence," and if you're talking about International Worker's day on May 1st, that date was chosen to commemorate the Haymarket Affair, not the founding of the Illuminati.
Quote: TigerWuI said nothing about anything being a "coincidence," and if you're talking about International Worker's day on May 1st, that date was chosen to commemorate the Haymarket Affair, not the founding of the Illuminati.
Trade unions, communist. You say tomato, I say tomato.
Life must be nice when you can blame every failing on an international conspiracy of the usual suspects.
Quote: billryanQuote: TigerWuI said nothing about anything being a "coincidence," and if you're talking about International Worker's day on May 1st, that date was chosen to commemorate the Haymarket Affair, not the founding of the Illuminati.
Trade unions, communist. You say tomato, I say tomato.
Life must be nice when you can blame every failing on an international conspiracy of the usual suspects.
Conspiracy theorists are basically afraid of randomness. They want life to an overarching meaning and predictability.
Quote: TigerWuQuote: billryanQuote: TigerWuI said nothing about anything being a "coincidence," and if you're talking about International Worker's day on May 1st, that date was chosen to commemorate the Haymarket Affair, not the founding of the Illuminati.
Trade unions, communist. You say tomato, I say tomato.
Life must be nice when you can blame every failing on an international conspiracy of the usual suspects.
Conspiracy theorists are basically afraid of randomness. They want life to an overarching meaning and predictability.
I agree
Because despite some powerful people trying to control things
The reality is that the humans on this planet have been careening through the history of mankind with no real direction
That's why we have so many wars on this planet. Nobody is in charge.
This is why I love the computer game Sid Meir's Civilization
Greatest computer game ever developed
I am the new world order :-)
I start in the stone age and end in the space exploration age
Nobody has to wait and see what "time will tell." Nicaragua, along with Cuba and Venezuela, are pathetic excuses for independent nations. Each has different time frames, but the results are disappointingly stark.Quote: billryanWhat happens when communists take over countries? In the case of Nicaragua, they hold and win free elections. What does the USofA do when communists take over a country? In the case of Nicaragua, they hire terrible thugs that they allow to import narcotics to America to finance their illegal acts of terror.
Are the Sandanistas any better than the dictatorship they expelled? Time will tell.
Quote: SanchoPanzaNobody has to wait and see what "time will tell." Nicaragua, along with Cuba and Venezuela, are pathetic excuses for independent nations. Each has different time frames, but the results are disappointingly stark.
Especially when you compare them to their Hondurian and Salvadoran cousins, no? Seems like both ends of the political spectrum can't succeed in CA.
https://www.tmz.com/2019/04/26/joe-biden-barack-obama-n-instagram-fail-president-racism/
Hmmm, what could the "N" signify? What were they thinking?
Quote: FleaswatterHmmm, what could the "N" signify? What were they thinking?
Maybe they were trying to reach out to those masses of Trump voters who also label Obama with an N.
https://www.theblaze.com/news/biden-says-leaders-want-him-to-run
Quote:"I get calls from people all over the world — world leaders are calling me — and they're almost begging me to do this, to save the country, save the world," Biden said on a call to donors
World leaders tell Biden: We need you
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/20/biden-2020-foreign-policy-national-security-1228345
Hmmm, leaders from where? Russia? China? Iran? North Korea?
What was talked about in these conversations? We need to know.
Did Biden promise them anything? Maybe a change to US foreign policy?
Is there collusion? Conspiracy?
Violation of the Logan Act?
Are these foreign leaders going to interfere in the primary elections to ensure Biden gets the nomination?
If Biden gets the nomination, will these foreign leaders interfere in the Presidential election to get Biden elected?
Quote: FleaswatterJoe Biden claims world leaders are begging him to 'save the world' and run against President Trump
https://www.theblaze.com/news/biden-says-leaders-want-him-to-run
World leaders tell Biden: We need you
https://www.politico.com/story/2019/03/20/biden-2020-foreign-policy-national-security-1228345
Hmmm, leaders from where? Russia? China? Iran? North Korea?
What was talked about in these conversations? We need to know.
Did Biden promise them anything? Maybe a change to US foreign policy?
Is there collusion? Conspiracy?
Violation of the Logan Act?
Are these foreign leaders going to interfere in the primary elections to ensure Biden gets the nomination?
If Biden gets the nomination, will these foreign leaders interfere in the Presidential election to get Biden elected?
We’ve all known for years now that whoever the Dem nominee is, the right will accuse them of conspiring with a foreign power to help them win in 2020.
Your side is all about projection...
Quote: ams288We’ve all known for years now that whoever the Dem nominee is, the right will accuse them of conspiring with a foreign power to help them win in 2020.
Your side is all about projection...
What's good for the goose is good for the gander
Quote: FleaswatterHmmm, leaders from where? Russia? China? Iran? North Korea?
What was talked about in these conversations? We need to know.
Did Biden promise them anything? Maybe a change to US foreign policy?
Is there collusion? Conspiracy?
Violation of the Logan Act?
Are these foreign leaders going to interfere in the primary elections to ensure Biden gets the nomination?
If Biden gets the nomination, will these foreign leaders interfere in the Presidential election to get Biden elected?
No, we don't care about this stuff anymore. Trump set precedent, remember? It's all about winning at all costs.
Quote: TigerWuNo, we don't care about this stuff anymore. Trump set precedent, remember? It's all about winning at all costs.
Yep. Giuliani said it’s perfectly okay to accept help from a foreign power.
One can only wonder what goodies all those foreign intelligences stole from Donald’s unsecured cell phones during his first couple of years in office...
Quote: ams288Yep. Giuliani said it’s perfectly okay to accept help from a foreign power.
One can only wonder what goodies all those foreign intelligences stole from Donald’s unsecured cell phones during his first couple of years in office...
Correction : are still stealing.
Quote: ams288Yep. Giuliani said it’s perfectly okay to accept help from a foreign power.
One can only wonder what goodies all those foreign intelligences stole from Donald’s unsecured cell phones during his first couple of years in office...
Are you kidding me? They don't have to steal anything. They probably just call him and ask him things and he just tells them.
Quote: TigerWuNo, we don't care about this stuff anymore. Trump set precedent, remember? It's all about winning at all costs.
All what costs? Trump won a fair and square election. Actually he won with the Democrats, media. deep state, and even parts of the GOP conspiring against him.
Or do you still believe a dozen Russians on Facebook flipped the election?
Quote: AZDuffmanAll what costs? Trump won a fair and square election. Actually he won with the Democrats, media. deep state, and even parts of the GOP conspiring against him.
Or do you still believe a dozen Russians on Facebook flipped the election?
Don’t know, but, hey, a dozen men, knocked down the twin towers.
Quote: rxwineDon’t know, but, hey, a dozen men, knocked down the twin towers.
You should be ashamed of yourself to compare terrorists who killed 3,000 people some Russians buying Facebook ads.
Quote: FleaswatterYou should be ashamed of yourself to compare terrorists who killed 3,000 people some Russians buying Facebook ads.
Disagree. Both are attacks on America at the most base level. Just because Trump and DJTJ and Jared try to brush off or minimize the Russian attacks doesn't make them correct about the level of the threat.
It's very real and very important to countermand, and because Trump is a selfish p!=#/, they're not doing enough about it for 2020. He's so afraid that any acknowledgement of it will delegitimize his election that he's in complete denial, and actively fighting any effort to fix the problem.
If Trumpers were to look at everything Trump does from the very narrow "how does this benefit or hurt Trump" POV, they'd learn a lot about him. Instead, more blind loyalty. It's OK with them that the country is under continued attack from a digital invasion by a hostile power, because they think it breaks their guy's way. The patriotism they claim breaks down right there.
Quote: beachbumbabsDisagree. Both are attacks on America at the most base level. Just because Trump and DJTJ and Jared try to brush off or minimize the Russian attacks doesn't make them correct about the level of the threat.
It's very real and very important to countermand, and because Trump is a selfish p!=#/, they're not doing enough about it for 2020. He's so afraid that any acknowledgement of it will delegitimize his election that he's in complete denial, and actively fighting any effort to fix the problem.
If Trumpers were to look at everything Trump does from the very narrow "how does this benefit or hurt Trump" POV, they'd learn a lot about him. Instead, more blind loyalty. It's OK with them that the country is under continued attack from a digital invasion by a hostile power, because they think it breaks their guy's way. The patriotism they claim breaks down right there.
Another case of asking myself, wtf did I just read?
Quote: FleaswatterYou should be ashamed of yourself to compare terrorists who killed 3,000 people some Russians buying Facebook ads.
The comparison was Duffman saying a dozen people can't make a significant difference. I forgive you for not understanding the point.
Quote: beachbumbabsDisagree. Both are attacks on America at the most base level. Just because Trump and DJTJ and Jared try to brush off or minimize the Russian attacks doesn't make them correct about the level of the threat.
It's very real and very important to countermand, and because Trump is a selfish p!=#/, they're not doing enough about it for 2020. He's so afraid that any acknowledgement of it will delegitimize his election that he's in complete denial, and actively fighting any effort to fix the problem.
If Trumpers were to look at everything Trump does from the very narrow "how does this benefit or hurt Trump" POV, they'd learn a lot about him. Instead, more blind loyalty. It's OK with them that the country is under continued attack from a digital invasion by a hostile power, because they think it breaks their guy's way. The patriotism they claim breaks down right there.
You have got to be kidding me. Your response reminds me of the following quote made many years ago by Joseph Nye Welch: “Have you no sense of decency?”
You overwhelming hatred of President Trump has caused you to forego all rational thought. To even suggest that the Russian interference is somehow equivalent to the terrorist attack on 9/11 is beyond belief
I would like you to explain to the thousands of mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, sons, daughters, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, uncles, aunts, etc who lost loved ones how the interference in the election is somehow equivalent to the heinous terror attack on 9/11.
“Thanks for pushing my buttons with your ignorance and malice”.
(TSATYIOB968)
Quote: billryanI'm insulted. I obviously disagree with your world view, but don't need to cast aspersions. You said to ask me. Now we get to see if you are a man of your word.
When did I ever deny they ran out of ammo? The fact that no other nation in the hemisphere would help them is what eventually forced the dictator to flee with the four billion dollars he stole.
Anyway, here is a chance for you to show your quality. I wish you well.
Thanks for this example of you twisting my words. Here are my exact words to the mod.
"Ask him if he feels insulted by me. I insist we are "just talking". If he feels insulted by me, I'll gladly leave if you want."
I see how you operate now. This will not happen again. Trust me.
Quote: billryanOne event united the nation. The other divided it badly. One might argue the Russians were more successful.
Al Qaeda ended up costing us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives.
The Russians only cost us our dignity. That's easy to get back.
Quote: FleaswatterYou have got to be kidding me. Your response reminds me of the following quote made many years ago by Joseph Nye Welch: “Have you no sense of decency?”
You overwhelming hatred of President Trump has caused you to forego all rational thought. To even suggest that the Russian interference is somehow equivalent to the terrorist attack on 9/11 is beyond belief
I would like you to explain to the thousands of mothers, fathers, husbands, wives, sons, daughters, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews, uncles, aunts, etc who lost loved ones how the interference in the election is somehow equivalent to the heinous terror attack on 9/11.
“Thanks for pushing my buttons with your ignorance and malice”.
(TSATYIOB968)
You could not be more wrong. I lost 2 friends in 9-11. I raised more that $25k in donations for the relief fund. I was perepherally involved in the aftermath (trying to underplay my contributions because they paled beside the first responders) working in DC in the FAA DEN post-event and advising SES HQ people, working with defense, analysis, and prevention. I genuinely doubt there was anyone on this board more aware of what that event meant to this country.
The divisions of party and philosophy from Sept 10 disappeared on Sept 11. We worked together to repel our common enemy and heal.
This thing is different, in that Trump refuses to believe his own intelligence services, and has undermined any coordinated efforts to expel this dirt from our election system. So, instead of working together the last 2.5 years to harden our election system and install backup balloting. it's become a political football, and the Russians are laughing at us the whole way. And continuing their incursions.
deletedQuote: TigerWuAl Qaeda ended up costing us trillions of dollars and thousands of lives.
The Russians only cost us our dignity. That's easy to get back.
If you could go back in time and only change one of those things.Quote: beachbumbabsYou could not be more wrong. I lost 2 friends in 9-11. I raised more that $25k in donations for the relief fund. I was perepherally involved in the aftermath (trying to underplay my contributions because they paled beside the first responders) working in DC in the FAA DEN post-event and advising SES HQ people, working with defense, analysis, and prevention. I genuinely doubt there was anyone on this board more aware of what that event meant to this country.
The divisions of party and philosophy from Sept 10 disappeared on Sept 11. We worked together to repel our common enemy and heal.
This thing is different, in that Trump refuses to believe his own intelligence services, and has undermined any coordinated efforts to expel this dirt from our election system. So, instead of working together the last 2.5 years to harden our election system and install backup balloting. it's become a political football, and the Russians are laughing at us the whole way. And continuing their incursions.
9/11 or Trump being elected as things stand now, what one would you choose to happen? If you choose 911 to happen Trump wouldn't be elected. If you choose for Trump to be elected 911 won't happen.
Quote: beachbumbabs
This thing is different, in that Trump refuses to believe his own intelligence services, and has undermined any coordinated efforts to expel this dirt from our election system. So, instead of working together the last 2.5 years to harden our election system and install backup balloting. it's become a political football, and the Russians are laughing at us the whole way. And continuing their incursions.
Want to "harden our election system" then come out in favor of voter ID laws. Come out against same day registration. No more "early voting" where votes get "found in a closet" when the Democrat loses. Ready to join me in these most common-sense of measures?
Yes, the Russians are laughing at people believing they somehow flipped the election because of their Trump hatred. Laughing at tens to hundreds of millions spend chasing Russia ghosts.
Fact is simple. Despite all the fixes being in for her, Hillary lost because she is an awful human being.
Quote: AxelWolfIf you could go back in time and only change one of those things.
9/11 or Trump being elected as things stand now, what one would you choose to happen? If you choose 911 to happen Trump wouldn't be elected. If you choose for Trump to be elected 911 won't happen.
I would pick option B.
But I argue that if 9/11 hadn't happened, Trump wouldn't have been elected, and wouldn't even have run.
Bush probably wouldn't have gotten a second term, because without the big war boost he would be seen as far more mediocre than he already is. But regardless of who won in 2004, Obama probably would not have won in 2008. It would have been McCain, because he wouldn't have picked Sarah Palin. The Tea Party and far-right wouldn't have existed without 9/11, so the GOP would be much more moderate. Probably McCain again in 2012, and who knows how 2016 would have turned out. Definitely not Trump. He'd still be counting his Apprentice money and paying off Russians, and that whole scandal would remained unexposed for many more years. If Hillary ran in 2016 in this alternate timeline, she probably would have won, but it's hard to tell who the Republicans would have nominated, because, as I said, they would be more moderate. Maybe Romney?
Quote: AZDuffmanWant to "harden our election system" then come out in favor of voter ID laws. Come out against same day registration. No more "early voting" where votes get "found in a closet" when the Democrat loses. Ready to join me in these most common-sense of measures?
Sounds good to me. And make Election Day a national holiday while we're at it. Why keep all the patriotic holidays in the summer?
Quote: TigerWuI would pick option B.
But I argue that if 9/11 hadn't happened, Trump wouldn't have been elected, and wouldn't even have run.
Bush probably wouldn't have gotten a second term, because without the big war boost he would be seen as far more mediocre than he already is. But regardless of who won in 2004, Obama probably would not have won in 2008. It would have been McCain, because he wouldn't have picked Sarah Palin. The Tea Party and far-right wouldn't have existed without 9/11, so the GOP would be much more moderate. Probably McCain again in 2012, and who knows how 2016 would have turned out. Definitely not Trump. He'd still be counting his Apprentice money and paying off Russians, and that whole scandal would remained unexposed for many more years. If Hillary ran in 2016 in this alternate timeline, she probably would have won, but it's hard to tell who the Republicans would have nominated, because, as I said, they would be more moderate. Maybe Romney?
The Tea Party was a reaction to the extremism of Obama, not 9/11. McCain would never have won, he was an awful candidate. Bush might or might not have been reelected. Hillary would have probably tried to run in 2004. The Democrats would still be far-left as they have been lurching left for a generation. If Bush won in 2004 the press would still have given Obama the same push as their great Black hope.
Quote:Sounds good to me. And make Election Day a national holiday while we're at it. Why keep all the patriotic holidays in the summer?
No holiday, but probably some provision to make sure people have a few hours to get to the polls. People like OTR truckers and oil platform workers are used to getting absentee ballots already.
Quote: AZDuffman
No holiday, but probably some provision to make sure people have a few hours to get to the polls. People like OTR truckers and oil platform workers are used to getting absentee ballots already.
Make it more difficult to vote, not easier. It's ruining the country, it WILL ruin the country. Signing people up to vote when they get their drivers license is a disaster. The more people voting the worse it will get. I don't know why I bother to say this because, although it's true, it ain't going to happen. Voters used to be qualified. You should have to own property to vote. An incentive not to vote for someone who wants to take your property. Voting is not a God-given right.
Quote: terapined
During negotiations in Hanoi a week before the fall of Saigon, US generals bragged to Viet Nam generals "You know, you never beat us on the battlefield"
the reply
"That may be so, but it is also irrelevant."
Well of course we beat them in the battlefield. The war was lost in Washington. Don't you know anything about Robert McNamara? We lost on purpose. Geez.
Quote: terapinedWhat a coincident
Our big local story yesterday was dogs attacking people
One poor guy had to get 40 stitches
http://www.fox13news.com/news/local-news/dog-attacks-in-pasco-county-injure-teen-elderly-man-deputies-say
What's your point? And you probably think *I* am argumentative. Are you saying you're ok with eating dogs? I made a good point, you just want to argue.
Quote: TigerWuI said nothing about anything being a "coincidence," and if you're talking about International Worker's day on May 1st, that date was chosen to commemorate the Haymarket Affair, not the founding of the Illuminati.
Of course it's International Workers Day. What were they supposed to call it? Illuminati Day?
Quote: bobbartopMake it more difficult to vote, not easier. It's ruining the country, it WILL ruin the country. Signing people up to vote when they get their drivers license is a disaster. The more people voting the worse it will get. I don't know why I bother to say this because, although it's true, it ain't going to happen. Voters used to be qualified. You should have to own property to vote. An incentive not to vote for someone who wants to take your property. Voting is not a God-given right.
It is in America. It's conferred the day you turn 18 if you're a citizen. You have to work to lose that right. And, yeah, it's a lot more recent than 1776 that SOME of us got our rights. And some of us still don't have that right.
Quote: beachbumbabsIt is in America. It's conferred the day you turn 18 if you're a citizen. You have to work to lose that right. And, yeah, it's a lot more recent than 1776 that SOME of us got our rights. And some of us still don't have that right.
Well yeah, I get that, but it's a statutory right given by government, not an unalienable right given by God. Because as I said last week, before I started going off on Wikipedia :-), we're not a democracy.
But I should have added something when speaking about democracy with the other guy, I forget his name. Here in California we have propositions, and that IS democracy. If anything, they're trying to turn us into a democracy, to destroy the republic. Laws are not supposed to be enacted by a popular vote of the electorate, that's what legislators are for. But that's the way it works in California. And I strongly oppose this process. So would the Founders. But I missed an opportunity last week to tell that other poster that he was half right because these propositions in California are pure democracy. I was too busy trying to insist that I was right. I should have conceded some of the discussion to him.
Someday 50 million illegals will be part of our electorate. With no knowledge of our history, no understanding of our founding principles. Like I've said, we're doomed.
