WOV SPRING FLING May 11 2019-- PLANNING THREAD

Quote: RS

3 others and I got to the room like an hour before Wizard & co. even checked in. We just hung out for a while in there. Meanwhile Wizard was downstairs trying to check in, lol. In hindsight, seems like the maids were a bit confused why we were there, but I guess they didn't want to disturb us because it was a fancy suite and didn't want to ruffle any feathers.

Trivia was hard AF. I second the motion to have it be a "test" style, where the questions are already printed on the paper. I got 0 correct. Should make them easier or at least a different subject. I'll go head to head with any of you suckers on bird law.

I still got like 20 beers if anyone wants to buy them, only $7 a piece. Act now! That's a big discount, compared to what you'd pay on the strip or a bar/nightclub. I only accept dogecoin for payment.

I think I was the only one drinking beer, at least so it seemed. Between lunch, dinner, and suite I had about 14. Maybe that led to my tiredness.

Quote: beachbumbabs

Reel 'em in was my answer, too, fwiw. I'm 90% sure it was out before Jackpot Party. But I think we're talking definitions of video slots here. It was evolutionary, moving from reels to screens, and I genuinely don't know where to draw the line. But it wasn't my quiz, so whatever Axel said is good with me.

Reel em in was way before Jackpot Party. I know Barbary Coast had some really old electronic fruit themed video slots in like 1990.

Reel 'Em In was the first FUN video slot machine in the US that went to another video screen bonus round where you got to pick stuff. They had other stuff like this outside the US prior to that.


According to Wikipedia. The first true video slot machine was developed in 1976 in Kearny Mesa, California, by the Las Vegas–based Fortune Coin Co. This slot machine used a modified 19-inch (48 cm) Sony Trinitron color receiver for the display and logic boards for all slot machine functions. The prototype was mounted in a full size show-ready slot machine cabinet. The first production units went on trial in the Las Vegas Hilton Hotel. After some "cheat-proofing" modifications, the video slot machine was approved by the Nevada State Gaming Commission and eventually found popularity in the Las Vegas Strip and downtown casinos. Fortune Coin Co. and their video slot machine technology were purchased by IGT (International Gaming Technology) in 1978.[citation needed].

As a side note:

I would like to thank and give FCBLComish props for respecting the fact that others(AP's) were apprehensive about him attending the Spring Fling. He didn't make an issue out of it and bowed out(at least I think he did, perhaps he showed up and no one noticed). Much respect on that aspect.

Quote: AxelWolf

As a side note:

I would like to thank and give FCBLComish props for respecting the fact that others(AP's) were apprehensive about him attending the Spring Fling. He didn't make an issue out of it and bowed out(at least I think he did, perhaps he showed up and no one noticed). Much respect on that aspect.

No, he wasn't there. Good guy, though. I suggest you meet him at some point, neutral ground or whatever.

It might be a little different if you don’t really play tables and a guy works in table games management, but you can like and respect a guy but it’s generally just not in your self interest to meet them. You either give up playing in that casino on that shift not knowing what opportunities could be there in the future, or if you play there and he ends up seeing you in his casino and knows you’re an AP or claim to be, he’s put in a position he sort of has to look into it in order to do his job, and that could cause hard feelings if you felt like you were friendly. Or worse they end up switching employers to a place you were playing heavily without any problems.

You’re creating a situation where he could potentially have to choose between betraying an employer or a friendship. It’s generally just a bad idea for a professional to create that sort of situation for either of them in the first place IMO.

Quote: mcallister3200

It might be a little different if you don’t really play tables and a guy works in table games management, but you can like and respect a guy but it’s generally just not in your self interest to meet them. You either give up playing in that casino on that shift not knowing what opportunities could be there in the future, or if you play there and he ends up seeing you in his casino and knows you’re an AP or claim to be, he’s put in a position he sort of has to look into it in order to be doing his job, and that could cause hard feelings if you felt like you were friendly. It’s generally just a bad idea for a professional to put themselves in that sort of situation.

You're not wrong, but in this particular case he has said he does both PB and AP. However, he has also said he will except his store and expects you to, as well, if he were to discuss some things, so there's that, but I haven't met an AP that freely discloses much of anything, so I don't see a big difference. YMMV.

Quote: beachbumbabs

You're not wrong, but in this particular case he has said he does both PB and AP. However, he has also said he will except his store and expects you to, as well, if he were to discuss some things, so there's that, but I haven't met an AP that freely discloses much of anything, so I don't see a big difference. YMMV.

In the FWIW department, he's far from the only experienced PB I've met who knows a whole lot more than he lets on. Mostly old-timers, though, in my experience. Newer casino guys seem more bean-counter, less card masters, as a whole. There was this guy at Harrahs, for example, and i won't name him, who could knock your socks off with card manipulation. I've no doubt he danced one side of the line for them and got rich on the other at competitor stores.

I also would think smart operators hire such guys in part as spotters, and treasure their skills being put to work for the house.

Quote: beachbumbabs

No, he wasn't there.

That was a joke.

Quote: AxelWolf

As a side note:

I would like to thank and give FCBLComish props for respecting the fact that others(AP's) were apprehensive about him attending the Spring Fling. He didn't make an issue out of it and bowed out(at least I think he did, perhaps he showed up and no one noticed). Much respect on that aspect.

Nope. I was not there. I would have liked to come meet everyone, but I completely understand. There is one poster on this board who I will not name that I had plans to meet up with, but unfortunately, work snuck in and the time we had selected was no longer possible. I will try to catch up with that poster next time they are in town.

As to people I have met "live", I believe only the Wizard and BBB are in that category, although I know ZenKing. I just think he does not know me.

If anyone is ever in Vegas and would like to meet, please PM me.

Quote: mcallister3200

It might be a little different if you don’t really play tables and a guy works in table games management, but you can like and respect a guy but it’s generally just not in your self interest to meet them. You either give up playing in that casino on that shift not knowing what opportunities could be there in the future, or if you play there and he ends up seeing you in his casino and knows you’re an AP or claim to be, he’s put in a position he sort of has to look into it in order to do his job, and that could cause hard feelings if you felt like you were friendly. Or worse they end up switching employers to a place you were playing heavily without any problems.

You’re creating a situation where he could potentially have to choose between betraying an employer or a friendship. It’s generally just a bad idea for a professional to create that sort of situation for either of them in the first place IMO.

I completely understand this situation, and that is why I had said that if there was ONE veto, I would not attend. I don't even remember who vetoed, nor do I want to go back and look.

I will ask again next year under the same conditions.

Quote: beachbumbabs

I also would think smart operators hire such guys in part as spotters, and treasure their skills being put to work for the house.

Everyone that Benny Binion hired for his eye in the sky was a former thief, the dice and card cheats were the only ones who knew what to look for.

Quote: FleaStiff

Everyone that Benny Binion hired for his eye in the sky was a former thief, the dice and card cheats were the only ones who knew what to look for.

I contend there is no such thing as a "former" thief

Quote: FCBLComish

I contend there is no such thing as a "former" thief

Yes there is. I stole candy from a store when I was a kid. I don't do it as an adult.

Quote: FCBLComish

I contend there is no such thing as a "former" thief

I'm not sure how we turned to thievery. I think there's a very clear line between playing with an advantage and cheating, stealing, or otherwise nefarious casino activity.

But, yeah, I would have to agree about former thieves. Either you have it in you to take something that's not yours, or you don't. The rest is just internal negotiation.

Quote: beachbumbabs

I'm not sure how we turned to thievery. I think there's a very clear line between playing with an advantage and cheating, stealing, or otherwise nefarious casino activity.

But, yeah, I would have to agree about former thieves. Either you have it in you to take something that's not yours, or you don't. The rest is just internal negotiation.

I went to a Loss Prevention class years ago when they threw about the following stats about hiring.

10% of the people you hire come to steal from you.
10% of people will never steal from you.
80% will justify stealing based on the situation and the opportunities you provide them. These come down to treatment, work conditions, personal situations and others.

Not sure if these numbers are accurate, but I wouldn’t disagree with the justification factor.

Sad but true.