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Quote: gamerfreakHahaha what?
So now you need to own property to vote? Actually I have heard the extreme right say that should be a thing, so I’m not surprised.
Should homeless people be stripped of their 2A rights?
No need to own property. I voted when I rented. No problem. But no fixed address means you cannot register anywhere. Sorry.
I thought homeless shelters counted as residence for voting in all or nearly all states.Quote: AZDuffmanSorry, but with no fixed address you are not a resident of anywhere and thus not entitled to vote in that election.
Quote: AZDuffmanNo need to own property. I voted when I rented. No problem. But no fixed address means you cannot register anywhere. Sorry.
Wrong. This is from AZ no less:
https://www.azcleanelections.gov/how-to-vote/voters-without-an-address
Sorry.
Quote: billryanWould you mind sharing who else you think shouldn't be voting?
You'd be surprised how many Seniors lack proper id. Many don't drive and don't have a passport. Medicare cards are not id. Neither are Social Security cards.
Some states accept college ids for voting, many do not.
Outside of your license and a passport, what state issued id do you carry? After September 11th, plans were made to require two government issued ids to fly, but far two many people simply didn't have them.
It is pretty simple, really. If you do not have an ID and want to vote then put forth some effort and get an ID. Why is this so hard to understand? Getting an ID is no big deal.
No state should accept a college ID to vote. College IDs are not state issued and not all that secure. They do not show someone to be a resident. Students should be voting with their home, not school, address.
I have a drivers license and Passport. Why would I need more? If I did not drive I would carry a "Non-Driver ID card" which the state issues and I need all the time. Because I am a grown-up I have ID. Grown-ups I know carry ID.
Quote: gamerfreakWrong. This is from AZ no less:
https://www.azcleanelections.gov/how-to-vote/voters-without-an-address
Sorry.
Some places are allowing it I have heard. Should not be. In means you can send a bus of drifters in and stuff the ballot box on any local election.
Sad that in the USA we have ignored basic poll security.
Quote: AZDuffmanSome places are allowing it I have heard. Should not be. In means you can send a bus of drifters in and stuff the ballot box on any local election.
Sad that in the USA we have ignored basic poll security.
So should homeless people still have 2A rights?
If you don't have an ID I think you have other things to worry about other than voting.
I'm all for lowering the voting age.
lowering the age for drinking and gun ownership just seems retarded.
Quote: AZDuffmanHomeless should not be voting as they are not a legal resident.
America: Where all men are created equal, except the homeless.
Quote: gamerfreak
So now you need to own property to vote? Actually I have heard the extreme right say that should be a thing, so I’m not surprised.
I've often heard that as well. It seemed a little extreme to me.
They could at least give non-property owners 3/5 of a vote.
Quote: AZDuffmanBut no fixed address means you cannot register anywhere. Sorry.
Such BS
I'm retiring in a few years.
I plan on no fixed address.
I'm taking my RV all over the country.
Its absurd to take my vote away
Quote: AZDuffmanSorry, but with no fixed address you are not a resident of anywhere and thus not entitled to vote in that election.
You are referring to a mailing address reqiirement. Many homeless have places for mail to be sent, usually a friend or relative.
True some dont but dont assumr homeless means friendless and cutoff completely
The mailing address is used for welfare requirements (and is not considered fraud since welfare is the one that suggests you find someone and a homeless person truly is in need of benefits).
I am certain the same would be true of voting
Quote: terapinedSuch BS
I'm retiring in a few years.
I plan on no fixed address.
I'm taking my RV all over the country.
Its absurd to take my vote away
I have always thought that is a great thing to do, but worry about what happens if you have a health issue.
How will you decide what local election you will be eligible to vote in? What if you are not in a single state more than a few weeks a year? How is it determined what state (if any) you might need to pay state income taxes in?
To the point of this recent discussion..... AZ, you are just plain wrong, and are in such a minority I am waiting for any other poster to support you. Being homeless should not take away your right to vote. If you go to sleep every night in a tunnel under Las Vegas Boulevard then to me you have the same right to vote as the person living in the condo above the tunnel.
And your response about if we give free ID then the Liberals will just find something else to complain about is just childish. The right thing is to allow all Americans to vote. While vigorously preventing illegals from voting.
Quote: SOOPOOI have always thought that is a great thing to do.
Good god why. I have never considered
doing that, imprisoning myself is a rolling
closet and rubbing elbows at RV parks
with people I have nothing in common
with except we both have RV's.
If this was 1950, I would do it. But everywhere
in the US is now cookie cutter the same.
Walmart's, Home Depot, McD's and BK's,
Lowes, Bank of America, strip malls. The
quaintness that was America is totally
gone, why bother with it. If I want to see
Fargo or Denver or Deadwood, just go
to Youtube. Far better than going there.
Quote: SOOPOO
To the point of this recent discussion..... AZ, you are just plain wrong, and are in such a minority I am waiting for any other poster to support you. Being homeless should not take away your right to vote. If you go to sleep every night in a tunnel under Las Vegas Boulevard then to me you have the same right to vote as the person living in the condo above the tunnel.
And your response about if we give free ID then the Liberals will just find something else to complain about is just childish. The right thing is to allow all Americans to vote. While vigorously preventing illegals from voting.
Agree. A home is not a requirement for American citizenship.
Quote: terapinedSuch BS
I'm retiring in a few years.
I plan on no fixed address.
I'm taking my RV all over the country.
Its absurd to take my vote away
Here's how you handle the problem
Just one place in Texas.
I'm sure there are many in Florida.
https://www.escapees.com/education/domicile/texas/
videos I've ever seen. How can you
help but cheer for this brave lady cop.
Talk about deserving a medal.
3 weeks ago:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/police-bodycam-video-shows-moment-suspect-opens-fire-deputy-through-n973916
Quote: AZDuffmanIt is pretty simple, really. If you do not have an ID and want to vote then put forth some effort and get an ID. Why is this so hard to understand? Getting an ID is no big deal.
No state should accept a college ID to vote. College IDs are not state issued and not all that secure. They do not show someone to be a resident. Students should be voting with their home, not school, address.
I have a drivers license and Passport. Why would I need more? If I did not drive I would carry a "Non-Driver ID card" which the state issues and I need all the time. Because I am a grown-up I have ID. Grown-ups I know carry ID.
This is so not surprising, your entire series of posts about citizens you would strip of their rights. Pathetic set of posts.
Quote: rxwineThat must of gone right past her head. Don't they wear a cam high on their shoulder usually?
Her's was looking down on the guy,
probably from her shoulder. Tough
to aim a short barrel holding it like
the driver was. No wonder he missed.
I count 15 shots she fired. When she
called it on the radio before she fired,
her voice wasn't even shaky. She did
better than most big male cops would
have done.
Mark Levin interviews Lin Wood, the
famous attorney who is the Covington
Kids lawyer. This guy has had a ton
of high profile cases that he won, he
doesn't take cases he thinks he'll lose.
The evidence is overwhelming that they
tried to ruin this kids life when they knew
the entire video of what happened
was out there. Wood says the lawsuits
are for $250mil, but the compensutory
money to the kid will be even higher
than that.
Quote: SOOPOO... I am waiting for any other poster to support you.
Curious, tho, doesn't residence matter? Not in the case of whether you have a right or not (lol AZD, c'mon, man), but doesn't location have some effects? You really want a roving band of RV vagabonds (who probably are of a specific demographic) popping up shop wherever votes are close?
And I'm down with funding the free ID initiative. Just as soon as we talk about the $200 it cost me for my pistol permit. That's a whole used pistol I done been disenfranchised out of.
Apparently we find helping poor people watch television more important than distributing free IDs so they can vote and maintain their proof of identity!
Now is that a right wing or left wing conspiracy?
Quote: TigerWuWhat did they specifically say about him?
Did you watch none of the hatefest
coverage on CNN/MS when it
was happening? This kid was Satan
himself as far as they were concerned.
Quote: beachbumbabsThis is so not surprising, your entire series of posts about citizens you would strip of their rights. Pathetic set of posts.
I have not talked about stripping anyone of their rights. Voting is for someone of official residence, someone who has a domicile. The street is neither. Thus if you do not have residence you do not get to vote, What is so hard about that?
Quote: HullabalooI've often heard that as well. It seemed a little extreme to me.
They could at least give non-property owners 3/5 of a vote.
How could a person have 3/5 of a vote?
Quote: AZDuffmanI have not talked about stripping anyone of their rights. Voting is for someone of official residence, someone who has a domicile. The street is neither. Thus if you do not have residence you do not get to vote, What is so hard about that?
We go by the constitution of the United States.
Please point to that part of the constitution that says voting is restricted to those without permanent domiciles?
BTW, many people are homeless or without domiciles for other reasons than laziness or inability to find work.
You would strip voting priveleges from all the Huricane Katrina victims after the storm? The victims of the California wildfires? Many lost their documents and other personal Identifying materials?
You seem to make a great constitutionalist!
EDIT: I am curious! Do you believe people without permanent domiciles (homeless) have the right to bear arms?
Quote: terapinedSuch BS
I'm retiring in a few years.
I plan on no fixed address.
I'm taking my RV all over the country.
Its absurd to take my vote away
By any chance did you purchase it with VP winnings?
wow. You’ve been gotten.Quote: AZDuffmanHow could a person have 3/5 of a vote?
Quote: AZDuffmanHow could a person have 3/5 of a vote?
You vote in the majority and then the electoral college votes with the minority :)
One thing I don't like about allowing the homeless to vote is that their vote can be easily be bought.
Quote: BozBy any chance did you purchase it with VP winnings?
My future RV life on the road is my fantasy that I may turn into a reality
I just bought a new truck to pull my RV, on the flip side, gotta keep working to pay off my new beautiful F150
I was shooting for 62, 2 years from now. Now looking at maybe 65 since I bought this truck
Quote: AxelWolfYou should be able to vote as long as you can prove you are a US citizen.
One thing I don't like about allowing the homeless to vote is that their vote can be easily be bought.
Huh?
Lived homeless on the subways of New York for a number of years - never once offered money for a vote
At any rate you dont have to be homeless to be in need of cash and susceptible to votes purchased
For that matter it seems the rich and powerful are more susceptible to having their votes brought. Those government contracts are usually dangled how many times an election
Quote: darkozWe go by the constitution of the United States.
Please point to that part of the constitution that says voting is restricted to those without permanent domiciles?
Actually please show me where it says that such voting cannot be restricted. Because all kinds of qualifications are allowed for voting, the only ones forbidden by the Constitution that I am aware of are you cannot restrict based on race, sex, or any age over 18. It is just common sense. If you have no fixed address then you cannot vote on local issues because then where would you even vote?|
Quote:BTW, many people are homeless or without domiciles for other reasons than laziness or inability to find work.
You would strip voting priveleges from all the Huricane Katrina victims after the storm? The victims of the California wildfires? Many lost their documents and other personal Identifying materials?
A Katrina or other disaster victim still owns their property or has a lease that confers residency and thus could vote. If they lost their ID then they will have to get a new one to vote. Possible to have some kind of local work-around in such a case. That has nothing to do with saying voter ID is bad because some people are too lazy or too cheap to get an ID as every adult needs to get by in a normal life.
Quote:You seem to make a great constitutionalist!
I think I do. It is more important to me to have basic electoral security than worry about people who cannot get register on time or cannot produce an ID to prove who they are. FWIW, if I were homeless the last thing on my mind would be voting. I would be concerned with getting a home.
So, you are saying someone should be able to show up at any polling place and say, "Hi, I'm homeless with no fixed address and no ID. I demand to vote."
Are you saying that? Because that is what you seem to be saying.
It would be objectionable if a million people from a large city voted in a mayoral election in a town that has a population of 20,000.
The idea is that the senators from Nevada should be elected by the citizens of Nevada, rather than by people from Vermont, or the District of Columbia or Florida.
So a basic ground rule of representative democracy is we must be able to discern where any given citizen doesn't live. If you don't live in Las Vegas, then don't drive from L.A to Las Vegas on Election day and insist you have a right to vote for local Las Vegas officials and for candidates who want to represent Las Vegas and Nevada in the federal legislature.
Which is why voter registration listings have name and legal place of residency. You can only claim one place of residency and your place of residency does indeed matter.
80% of the posts on this thread involve people talking about topics that they don't seem to understand, and the other 50% are from EvenBob.
Quote: Axelwolf
Quote: AxelWolf
You should be able to vote as long as you can prove you are a US citizen.
One thing I don't like about allowing the homeless to vote is that their vote can be easily be bought.
I can be bought. Offer me $20 for each issue or candidate and I will vote however you want me to.
Quote: DRichI can be bought. Offer me $20 for each issue or candidate and I will vote however you want me to.
I will do it for $19 per line item.
Quote: DRichI can be bought. Offer me $20 for each issue or candidate and I will vote however you want me to.
I don't think you are truly anonymous here. I believe you are soliciting criminal activity with your post. Knowing your posting style, I'll bet you really don't care....
"Think about it. Omar wears a hijab, which according to the Quran 33:59, tells women to cover so they won't get molested. Is her adherence to this Islamic doctrine indicative of her adherence to Sharia law, which in itself is antithetical to the United States Constitution?"
WTF
I wear a Grateful Dead cap
Is my adherence to the Grateful Dead antithetical to the United States
Has Jeanine heard about religious freedom
Mormons wear some strange stuff
Is a Jew wearing a cap wrong to do it in the USA. Why isn't Pirro complaining about Jew's and their caps
Quote: SOOPOOI don't think you are truly anonymous here. I believe you are soliciting criminal activity with your post. Knowing your posting style, I'll bet you really don't care....
I also exceeded the posted speed limit on my way to the office today. When I was a teenager I once while intoxicated shoplifted a Hershey bar.
I am a rebel!! And you are correct, I really don't care.
Quote: terapinedJeanine Pirro
"Think about it. Omar wears a hijab, which according to the Quran 33:59, tells women to cover so they won't get molested. Is her adherence to this Islamic doctrine indicative of her adherence to Sharia law, which in itself is antithetical to the United States Constitution?"
WTF
I wear a Grateful Dead cap
Is my adherence to the Grateful Dead antithetical to the United States
Has Jeanine heard about religious freedom
Mormons wear some strange stuff
Is a Jew wearing a cap wrong to do it in the USA. Why isn't Pirro complaining about Jew's and their caps
Look at all the Catholic Cardinals, Bishops etc!
Quote: DRichI also exceeded the posted speed limit on my way to the office today. When I was a teenager I once while intoxicated shoplifted a Hershey bar.
I am a rebel!! And you are correct, I really don't care.
When I take leftovers home from a returant, I steal the little sauce cup.
Monday on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe,” host Joe Scarborough called for members of the media to back off of obsessing over freshman Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Quote: AZDuffmanActually please show me where it says that such voting cannot be restricted. Because all kinds of qualifications are allowed for voting, the only ones forbidden by the Constitution that I am aware of are you cannot restrict based on race, sex, or any age over 18. It is just common sense. If you have no fixed address then you cannot vote on local issues because then where would you even vote?|
A Katrina or other disaster victim still owns their property or has a lease that confers residency and thus could vote. If they lost their ID then they will have to get a new one to vote. Possible to have some kind of local work-around in such a case. That has nothing to do with saying voter ID is bad because some people are too lazy or too cheap to get an ID as every adult needs to get by in a normal life.
I think I do. It is more important to me to have basic electoral security than worry about people who cannot get register on time or cannot produce an ID to prove who they are. FWIW, if I were homeless the last thing on my mind would be voting. I would be concerned with getting a home.
So, you are saying someone should be able to show up at any polling place and say, "Hi, I'm homeless with no fixed address and no ID. I demand to vote."
Are you saying that? Because that is what you seem to be saying.
No what I am saying is Homeless should be able to get ID without restrictions of paying for it.
I actually do believe in ID in order to vote. But everyone should be able to get ID without monetary restrictions
You seem to be saying even if a homeless person has an ID they give up their voting rights
Including listing the park where you sleep at as your residence.
https://www.nonprofitvote.org/voting-in-your-state/special-circumstances/voting-and-homelessness/
Righties must be really exploding that sleeping in a park every day can actually qualify as your residence
Oh well, too bad!
Quote: darkozRighties must be really exploding that sleeping in a park every day can actually qualify as your residence
Oh well, too bad!
One citizen, one ID, one address (broad scope--even a tunnel in Vegas), one vote...at least at the Federal level.
http://www.nationalhomeless.org/projects/vote/court.html
Quote: darkoz
You seem to be saying even if a homeless person has an ID they give up their voting rights
You are absolutely right I am saying that. I am PROUD to say it.
If you are homeless you have no fixed residence and as such no fixed place to vote. I do not want homeless wandering in and out of my town and voting on things that affect me. I only want actual residents to vote in my local election. And by "local" I mean any election locals vote in, up to and including POTUS as their vote for POTUS affects my electors.
I really do not get why an ID is supposed to be free. Virtually nothing I need at the government level is free. Funny how the same homeless that can find money for booze can't find money for an ID.
Quote: AZDuffmanVirtually nothing I need at the government level is free.
SS Card is free. I was told I have a total of 3 free cards. After that you start paying I guess. Probably not the only thing.
