Can This Be Verified?

I was talking to a floor supervisor in the casino tonight. He's from Vegas and has been working in casinos for over 30 years. He's working here because they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. We were talking about cheating dealers and he said his casino had none because they had zero Asian dealers. I said 'huh'? And he said nationwide, over 80% of casino dealers caught cheating are of Asian decent. They come under lots of pressure from their families to cheat when they become dealers, apparently. Its almost always a situation where they payout more money than they have coming to a family member when they buy in or color up. He said in Vegas, Asian dealers are under three times the scrutiny from the pit and the eye, than are other dealers. In other words, they are profiled by the industry.

Is this true? Can anybody verify it?

Simply not true, and it cannot be verified.
Every dealer is profiled the same way by surveillance, unless specific suspicion was presented to surveillance to watch certain dealers.
I heard the same thing about Mexican/Hispanic dealers, black dealers, white dealers, nine-year old Hindu-boy dealers, etc.

It's Bullshit, invoked from the speaker's own racism.

Even if the dealer is under financial stress, that is an inducement to keep the paying job through good works, and reduce spending.

The only real factor that induces dealers to steal is when a drug or gambling addiction takes a strong hold of them, then they turn into different people, ethically, and in terms of responsibility.
That we've seen.

Quote: EvenBob

I was talking to a floor supervisor in the casino tonight. He's from Vegas and has been working in casinos for over 30 years. He's working here because they made him an offer he couldn't refuse. We were talking about cheating dealers and he said his casino had none because they had zero Asian dealers. I said 'huh'? And he said nationwide, over 80% of casino dealers caught cheating are of Asian decent. They come under lots of pressure from their families to cheat when they become dealers, apparently. Its almost always a situation where they payout more money than they have coming to a family member when they buy in or color up. He said in Vegas, Asian dealers are under three times the scrutiny from the pit and the eye, than are other dealers. In other words, they are profiled by the industry.

Is this true? Can anybody verify it?

Let's put aside any wee bitty possibility that either your question itself, or that floor supervisor's comment, may have been motivated by racist sentiment.

Poker-based casinos in California (most of which have many table games as well) have a MAJORITY of Asian dealers, especially in Southern California. That's because many of the table games are pai gow dominoes, or pai gow poker. I doubt that a) either the owners are ignorant of this supposed wave of Asian cheating or b) they know about it, but hire those dealers anyway.

In Vegas, I see about the proportion of Asian dealers that I would expect from a representative sampling of the population, and if there were an actual tendency such as your floorman friend describes, somehow I think that several decades of casinos' experience would have uncovered it. And if they had uncovered such a tendency, there wouldn't be any Asian dealers.

In any case, that floorman's assertion that he didn't have any cheating dealers because none of them were Asian shows equal parts stupidity, bigotry, and ignorance. I should go work for that place and steal them blind--I'd never get caught, because I'm not Asian, and therefore, couldn't possibly cheat. If anything deserves an EvenBobesque "LOL", that does.

Just see how the know-it-all BS just f-l-o-w-s from this clown....

Simply not true, and it cannot be verified.>>>

So cheating dealers are exactly equal to the population racially? I find that hard to believe. For instance, Blacks make up 13% of the population, but nationawide they make up 50% of prison populations. I could care less why this is true, but it is. The floor supervisor was telling me Asians make up the majority of cheating dealers, why should I doubt him?

Quote: EvenBob

Simply not true, and it cannot be verified.>>>

So cheating dealers are exactly equal to the population racially? I find that hard to believe. For instance, Blacks make up 13% of the population, but nationawide they make up 50% of prison populations. I could care less why this is true, but it is. The floor supervisor was telling me Asians make up the majority of cheating dealers, why should I doubt him?

Why should you believe him, given that, as you say, he hasn't actually encountered any Asian dealers in his role as supervisor? Why should you doubt him? Because his claim is extremely implausible. A group that represents less than one in twenty citizens overall somehow comprises the MAJORITY of cheating dealers? Doesn't that sound a wee bit farfetched to you? Or are you giving that assertion a free pass (unwarranted credibility) because you're racist, and you therefore support racist points of view?

I think that given that people of Asian descent make up slightly less than 5% of the population, any assertion that they "make up the majority of cheating dealers" would be suspect for that reason alone. If there is no correlation between ethnicity and propensity to cheat (which I suspect is true), then Asians would, all other things being equal, be represented proportionally in the general population of "cheating dealers": a little less than one in twenty.

The data on black prison populations isn't relevant unless you can provide us with figures on how many of those incarcerated blacks are in prison because of being convicted of cheating while working for a casino.

Quote: EvenBob

The floor supervisor was telling me Asians make up the majority of cheating dealers, why should I doubt him?

I think you should doubt it simply because it was a very general statement the supervisor made with absolutely no backing by facts. It is entirely possibly that person's view on it was created when the last 5 dealers they busted were all asian.


It seems highly unlikely that you would find published statistics proving the supervisors statements. Someone would need a reason to create such a list. I don't know why casinos would advertise how many cheating dealers they fired. I don't know why something like the state of Nevada would advertise how many cheating dealers were prosecuted. I guess you could always go through court records assuming casinos do prosecute cheating dealers.

Quote: soulhunt79

I think you should doubt it simply because it was a very general statement the supervisor made with absolutely no backing by facts. It is entirely possibly that person's view on it was created when the last 5 dealers they busted were all asian.


It seems highly unlikely that you would find published statistics proving the supervisors statements. Someone would need a reason to create such a list. I don't know why casinos would advertise how many cheating dealers they fired. I don't know why something like the state of Nevada would advertise how many cheating dealers were prosecuted. I guess you could always go through court records assuming casinos do prosecute cheating dealers.

He was talking from his personal experience in the industry. So far all I've heard is opinion here. Why would the guy lie? He was very convincing and credible, and he seemed to know his subject very well.

Quote: EvenBob

He was talking from his personal experience in the industry. So far all I've heard is opinion here. Why would the guy lie? He was very convincing and credible, and he seemed to know his subject very well.

I wasn't there to listen to how he said it and I'm assuming you didn't have a complete transcript of what he said. From my point of view all of what the person told you was opinion.

I don't think the guy was lying to you. That assumes he knew something and he was telling you something opposite. I have very little doubt that he believes what he told you.


You can believe what you want. The part that I doubt the most is "They come under lots of pressure from their families to cheat when they become dealers, apparently.". Why would this just affect asian families? Why would being asian affect this at all? The simple fact that I have questions on the comments he made means I have at least some doubt.

This may be just an inflamitory thread without any real basis in true gambling.

Quote: EvenBob

He was talking from his personal experience in the industry. So far all I've heard is opinion here. Why would the guy lie? He was very convincing and credible, and he seemed to know his subject very well.

Well, if we have learnt something from the internet... it's people can be convincing, credible and making it up as they go along :)

Quote: soulhunt79

"They come under lots of pressure from their families to cheat when they become dealers, apparently.". Why would this just affect asian families? Why would being asian affect this at all?

Ever hear of Amway? Their most successful market so far has been China and SE Asia. Know why? When somebody becomes an Amway distributor in Asia, their families are bound by tradition to buy from them, its like they don't have a choice. Family pressure in Asian families is a very real and potent force.

Quote: Paigowdan

This may be just an inflamitory thread without any real basis in true gambling.

How do you figure? Are the dealers invisable to you when you play?

Quote: thecesspit

. it's people can be convincing, credible and making it up as they go along :)

This guy is very credible, he reeks of it. I've spoken to him many times and he doesn't BS. I'm positive he believes what he told me.

Quote: EvenBob

This guy is very credible, he reeks of it. I've spoken to him many times and he doesn't BS. I'm positive he believes what he told me.

This floorman guy told you basically, "All Asian dealers are crooks," and your response is, "Gee, this MUST be true about those Asian dealers! And this guy is so credible!"
This is all completely assinine.

Again, this is just an inflamatory thread that really isn't realted to gambling.

Utter hogwash, but so what?

Consider that casino in Mesquite that is Korean owned? Do you think they watch Asian dealers any differently than others? They watch for anything that is not in the procedures manual. People watch for a hand in the till, they don't particularly care whose hand.

If many dealers are Asian, many arrests will be of Asians.

It's not regular Asians; it's the Asian Mafia infiltrating the casino industry here.

Oh wait, I made that up.

Really, though, it's the first I've heard of such a thing.

In any randomly generated set (as likely 95% or more of you already well know) you can have a high number of identical occurrences (so you could have conceivably) a high number of Asian dealers caught cheating at the casino the guy worked at and still not be out of the norm for the general population, which would mean of course, there's nothing to the accusation -- other than he, or his boss(es), whatever came to believe it.

I heard that Mexicans are smuggling Asian-Americans across the border into Mexico to find jobs. The Jews are funding the operation, and the Italians want a piece of the action. The blacks don't want to go because they don't want to work anyway. The Muslim nations are demanding that these infidels convert, and the Germans just want to exterminate them. The French just want to give up the fight, and the Swiss are remaining neutral. The Chinese are ramping up production of the supplies needed, and the Indians are looking at providing customer support for the operations. Meanwhile, white Americans are afraid to say anything about it, but are wondering who will be left here to do the jobs that are beneath them and where might they be able to purchase some slaves.

How did you find all that out, Jack? Are you an investigative reporter? Great post.

Quote: Paigowdan

This may be just an inflamitory thread without any real basis in true gambling.

Ya think?