Canada Pot Smokers Denied US Entry
Canadian Pot Users Refused US Entry
Appears there may be far fewer Canadians at the next WSOP if this "Have you ever used marijuana?" policy continues. Attorneys in Canada advise travelers to refuse to answer that question. They may get turned away, but they won't be banned for life (which might occur if a traveler is found to have lied about previous pot use).
I really doubt anyone in Canada has only started smoking weed because of legalization.Quote: billryanElections have consequences.
Imagine the situation was reversed. How would Americans feel if Canada banned people from entering if they had ever used an AR-15 or a handgun outside of a licenced gun range?
What about crossing into Washington, where it is legal?
Yeah, I know, it's technically illegal under federal law, but it seems silly to deny entry into Washington state to a Canadian when weed is legal in Washington (under state law).
As John Mayall once sang: "The Laws Must Change."
Quote: MrVThe article talked about crossing into N. Dakota, where pot is not legal.
What about crossing into Washington, where it is legal?
Yeah, I know, it's technically illegal under federal law, but it seems silly to deny entry into Washington state to a Canadian when weed is legal in Washington (under state law).
As John Mayall once sang: "The Laws Must Change."
Not necessary to change the laws, jut the morons enforcing them. Just what we need in this time of crisis. An invasion of pot smoking canuckleheads threatening our northern border. I say treat joints as if they were rifles.
Quote: WizardMy advice to Canadians is simple, just say "no" when asked this question.
Lying to a Federal Agent is a crime in and of itself. Every time I purchase, at a legal dispensary, the information is recorded and who knows who it is shared with. I've been told the police in Nevada can search these purchases and revoke the concealed weapons permit of anyone who purchases. Who knows where else it goes.
I'm not concerned about who sees it but I wouldn't be dishonest about it.
They should say, "not that I remember".Quote: WizardMy advice to Canadians is simple, just say "no" when asked this question.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, maybe it's not really a duck. Can you really ever be sure marijuana is marijuana, maybe it's something green and not marijuana, maybe you bought it, have a license, but never had smoked it. Maybe you wanted to, but threw it away in the garbage disposal, just because you felt morally wrong to smoke it.Quote: billryanLying to a Federal Agent is a crime in and of itself. Every time I purchase, at a legal dispensary, the information is recorded and who knows who it is shared with. I've been told the police in Nevada can search these purchases and revoke the concealed weapons permit of anyone who purchases. Who knows where else it goes.
I'm not concerned about who sees it but I wouldn't be dishonest about it.
Quote: onenickelmiracleIf it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, maybe it's not really a duck. Can you really ever be sure marijuana is marijuana, maybe it's something green and not marijuana, maybe you bought it, have a license, but never had smoked it. Maybe you wanted to, but threw it away in the garbage disposal, just because you felt morally wrong to smoke it.
I suppose there is the small possibility that they are laughing with you and not at you. Keep hope alive.
Quote: billryanLying to a Federal Agent is a crime in and of itself. Every time I purchase, at a legal dispensary, the information is recorded and who knows who it is shared with. I've been told the police in Nevada can search these purchases and revoke the concealed weapons permit of anyone who purchases. Who knows where else it goes.
Canada would never turn their records over to anyone from the US now that they’ve tried this crap.
My first thought is to answer “I have never used illegal drugs.” If they keep pushing I would eventually say “no.” I commend any Canadians who follow that. But won’t give any advice on the subject
Quote: heatmapim not allowed into canada
Oh, you mean "America lite?"
Quote: AlexRI really doubt anyone in Canada has only started smoking weed because of legalization.
Imagine the situation was reversed. How would Americans feel if Canada banned people from entering if they had ever used an AR-15 or a handgun outside of a licenced gun range?
Ermm...FYI when driving into Canada they do ask you if you own a gun in the US. (They asked me, on two separate trips.) Of course you should lie and say that you don't own one so that they don't deny your entry into Canada.
Is this a joke? They just want to ensure that you haven't brought a handgun (unless you're a sport shooter traveling to a competition), and that you've declared any rifles or shotguns.Quote: KeyserErmm...FYI when driving into Canada they do ask you if you own a gun in the US. (They asked me, on two separate trips.) Of course you should lie and say that you don't own one so that they don't deny your entry into Canada.
But yeah, I agree with Wiz. Just say “no” when they ask if you smoke weed.
Quote: billryanLying to a Federal Agent is a crime in and of itself. Every time I purchase, at a legal dispensary, the information is recorded and who knows who it is shared with. I've been told the police in Nevada can search these purchases and revoke the concealed weapons permit of anyone who purchases. Who knows where else it goes.
I'm not concerned about who sees it but I wouldn't be dishonest about it.
Well, I am not going to feel guilty about lying in answer to a question where the information is none of the asker's business. I doubt anybody is going to care about what I may purchase at the dispensary.
Quote: KeyserErmm...FYI when driving into Canada they do ask you if you own a gun in the US. (They asked me, on two separate trips.) Of course you should lie and say that you don't own one so that they don't deny your entry into Canada.
Everybody gets asked when entering any country, it seems to me, whether the trip is for business or vacation. Everybody answers vacation, regardless of the truth. Once in my younger days I checked "business" when entering Canada through the Toronto airport. I won't go through the whole story, but it was as if nobody had ever checked "business" before, they send me to a big room with nobody in it and then make me fill out lots of forms and pay a big fee to do business in Canada. They told me I was lucky to get in at all, as I didn't have the pre-authorization forms I was supposed, which was true. That was the last time I made that mistake to check "business." Since then, every time I enter Canada I seem to get extra scrutiny, but they always let me in.
My point being that this is a question people lie about probably routinely and everybody knows it.
Quote: WizardEverybody gets asked when entering any country, it seems to me, whether the trip is for business or vacation. Everybody answers vacation, regardless of the truth. Once in my younger days I checked "business" when entering Canada through the Toronto airport. I won't go through the whole story, but it was as if nobody had ever checked "business" before, they send me to a big room with nobody in it and then make me fill out lots of forms and pay a big fee to do business in Canada. They told me I was lucky to get in at all, as I didn't have the pre-authorization forms I was supposed, which was true. That was the last time I made that mistake to check "business." Since then, every time I enter Canada I seem to get extra scrutiny, but they always let me in.
My point being that this is a question people lie about probably routinely and everybody knows it.
I must say I'm pretty surprised by your answer. I never would have guessed you would favor situational honesty.
Anyone can be honest when there are no consequences.
Quote: billryanI must say I'm pretty surprised by your answer. I never would have guessed you would favor situational honesty.
Anyone can be honest when there are no consequences.
I think almost everyone subscribes to situational honesty. It is just where you draw the line that varies. Did you see the movie Inglourious Basterds? If so, do you remember the scene where the French farmer was asked if he knew anything about the Jewish family he was hiding in his hidden basement? If so, how would a moral person answer that question?
Quote: NathanCouldn't you just use a loophole and say,"I will not answer yes or no" Even if you did smoke pot, technically you haven't answered yes or no, so they can't pin anything on you so you're in the clear.
They probably will say, "If you want to enter the U.S., then we'll need a "yes" or "no" answer." I suppose a super honest person just wouldn't enter then, but what does it gain anybody?
"I was so high I honestly dont remember"
"I may have had Cannabis once when I was stranded in the jungle with all those Cannibals"
I was taught that everytime you lie, the next lie comes easier. When people get to the point where routinely lying ,simply for convenience sale, becomes the norm, that society's best days are behind it.
Quote: WizardI think almost everyone subscribes to situational honesty. It is just where you draw the line that varies. Did you see the movie Inglourious Basterds? If so, do you remember the scene where the French farmer was asked if he knew anything about the Jewish family he was hiding in his hidden basement? If so, how would a moral person answer that question?
They probably will say, "If you want to enter the U.S., then we'll need a "yes" or "no" answer." I suppose a super honest person just wouldn't enter then, but what does it gain anybody?
It does no one any good. Pot is a damn PLANT! A PLANT. If I took some actual grass and lit it up like a cigarette and smoked it like a cigarette, no one would deny me entry to another Country for doing that. Sure I'd get some,"This person is a weirdo," looks but I would still be allowed into another Country even after smoking actual grass.
Quote: NathanQuote: WizardI think almost everyone subscribes to situational honesty. It is just where you draw the line that varies. Did you see the movie Inglourious Basterds? If so, do you remember the scene where the French farmer was asked if he knew anything about the Jewish family he was hiding in his hidden basement? If so, how would a moral person answer that question?
They probably will say, "If you want to enter the U.S., then we'll need a "yes" or "no" answer." I suppose a super honest person just wouldn't enter then, but what does it gain anybody?
It does no one any good. Pot is a damn PLANT! A PLANT. If I took some actual grass and lit it up like a cigarette and smoked it like a cigarette, no one would deny me entry to another Country for doing that. Sure I'd get some,"This person is a weirdo," looks but I would still be allowed into another Country even after smoking actual grass.
Ermm FYI... You're not allowed to bring plants or produce across the borders either. (Unless you're an approved importer of course.)
I look at this way, the pot question is kind of like the USA's way of getting them on the gun question. Besides the US has been a bit pissed off over the unfair trade that we had for several years. Fortunately Trump finally negotiated a much better North American Trade Deal.
How about arguing for the sake of argument? That's what it seems you are doing. And are we supposed to believe you are the reincarnation of Honest Abe or can't-tell-a-lie George Washington? [fantastical qualities ascribed by legend no doubt anyway]Quote: billryanWhen people get to the point where routinely lying ,simply for convenience sale, becomes the norm, that society's best days are behind it.
I'll give you credit for bringing up the over-reaching law about lying to a federal agent though
Quote: odiousgambitHow about arguing for the sake of argument? That's what it seems you are doing. And are we supposed to believe you are the reincarnation of Honest Abe or can't-tell-a-lie George Washington? [fantastical qualities ascribed by legend no doubt anyway]
I'll give you credit for bringing up the over-reaching law about lying to a federal agent though
Am I the last honest person? I certainly hope not.
I am amazed how easily people choose to tell little white lies when the truth is just as easy. Suggesting someone lie to a Federal Officer is disrespectful to our country and our way of life. A lock can stop a thief. Stopping a lie is harder.
Quote: gordonm888Clearly, what we need is a wall along the Canadian border.
Only if Mexico pays for it. As JFK airport historically has been the POE for many illegals entering the country, maybe we should just shut it down.
Quote: billryanQuote: odiousgambitHow about arguing for the sake of argument? That's what it seems you are doing. And are we supposed to believe you are the reincarnation of Honest Abe or can't-tell-a-lie George Washington? [fantastical qualities ascribed by legend no doubt anyway]
I'll give you credit for bringing up the over-reaching law about lying to a federal agent though
Am I the last honest person? I certainly hope not.
I am amazed how easily people choose to tell little white lies when the truth is just as easy. Suggesting someone lie to a Federal Officer is disrespectful to our country and our way of life. A lock can stop a thief. Stopping a lie is harder.
One of the few things we have ever agreed upon.
Quote: BozQuote: billryanQuote: odiousgambitHow about arguing for the sake of argument? That's what it seems you are doing. And are we supposed to believe you are the reincarnation of Honest Abe or can't-tell-a-lie George Washington? [fantastical qualities ascribed by legend no doubt anyway]
I'll give you credit for bringing up the over-reaching law about lying to a federal agent though
Am I the last honest person? I certainly hope not.
I am amazed how easily people choose to tell little white lies when the truth is just as easy. Suggesting someone lie to a Federal Officer is disrespectful to our country and our way of life. A lock can stop a thief. Stopping a lie is harder.
One of the few things we have ever agreed upon.
Everytime my house was burglarized my doors and windows were locked
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Everytime my house was burglarized my doors and windows were locked
They could have used a credit card to get in your locked home. :/
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Everytime my house was burglarized my doors and windows were locked
They could have used a credit card to get in your locked home. :/
Quote: ontariodealerI cross over regularly from Niagara falls ont to Niagara falls ny and have yet to be asked......you would be pretty stupid to answer yes though.
If you answer "No," and they later found out you lied you can get into big trouble. Kind of like knowing you are guilty and you plead Not Guilty only to be convicted and found Guilty and getting sentenced to 55 years in prison rather than pleading Guilty and only being sentenced to 25 years in prison.
Quote: coilmanhttps://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/canadian-pot-smokers-not-welcome-at-the-border-u-s-customs-and-border-protection
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/amnesties-for-canadian-pot-convictions-useless-at-border-u-s-customs
But U.S Customs has been obsolete since like 1996 according to Google. It's TSA now.
They're separate agencies under the Department of Homeland Security. The TSA is the airport security agency and also oversees the Air Marshal Service. Customs and Border Protection is responsible for customs stations and border security.Quote: NathanBut U.S Customs has been obsolete since like 1996 according to Google. It's TSA now.
Quote: coilmanhttps://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/canadian-pot-smokers-not-welcome-at-the-border-u-s-customs-and-border-protection
https://windsorstar.com/news/local-news/amnesties-for-canadian-pot-convictions-useless-at-border-u-s-customs
First article says:
In late-September, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection responded with an unambiguous public statement: anyone even admitting to having toked up at some point in their life “is inadmissible to the United States.”
This is so STUPID. And what bothers me most is that it is so HYPOCRITICAL when the population of the US is one of the biggest markets for real drugs. STUPID. STUPID. STUPID.
Quote: JohnnyQFirst article says:
In late-September, the U.S. Customs and Border Protection responded with an unambiguous public statement: anyone even admitting to having toked up at some point in their life “is inadmissible to the United States.”
This is so STUPID. And what bothers me most is that it is so HYPOCRITICAL when the population of the US is one of the biggest markets for real drugs. STUPID. STUPID. STUPID.
WE have a government currently run by morons and you think their policies are stupid? Go figure. Maybe they should start asking that question to returning US citizens.
The rest of that post is an example of the logical fallacy of relative privation, aka "not as bad as"
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as
Quote: Dalex64In short, if you are not a US citizen and are trying to enter the US, yes.
The rest of that post is an example of the logical fallacy of relative privation, aka "not as bad as"
https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Not_as_bad_as
IMHO, something trivial you did as a rebellious teenager shouldn't keep you from being granted access to the U.S as an adult. IMHO, as an adult, admitting you smoked pot as a rebellious teenager is in the same vein as,"I stole a bag of chips from Chevron when I was 15." See trivial.
