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It was on two news stories, online and radio, that said sugarbabies.com, fake news, hate that.
Quote: MoosetonDid the 16yo mislead about her age? Joining an 18+ hookup website and using it underage is certainly misleading. The article refers to the 16yo as the victim but I have to disagree with that.
if an 18yo lies and says she is 16, and you have sex with her, you can go to jail if she is working with cops. cause of known intent,
but as this girl is underage there must be some failure on his part to confirm her age
Quote: MoosetonDid the 16yo mislead about her age? Joining an 18+ hookup website and using it underage is certainly misleading. The article refers to the 16yo as the victim but I have to disagree with that.
in some places 16 is the starting age of consent. That actually makes sense since 16 year olds can drive, take care of younger kids by themselves, ie baby sitting, and get jobs to support themselves.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThis is Illuminati type sinister set-up stuff I'm wondering. Just sounds too easy, the guy is too smart, she probably had a fake ID.
Why is this guy too smart? Either way he was committing a crime.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThis is Illuminati type sinister set-up stuff I'm wondering. Just sounds too easy, the guy is too smart, she probably had a fake ID.
Probably time to change the consent laws that if she faked her age to be 18 or/and was in a place that restricted to 18 the man cannot be charged.
Men need to be safe from false accusations and assumption of guilt before any proof is present or a case is litigated.
It is my assumption he didn't know she was 16, just because I can't believe someone would choose some girl who is 16, because 18-20 is about the same physically. It's possible he saw her body, found out she was 16, and couldn't resist it, don't know. Apparently there was some mutual sexting beforehand, her counselor went to the police. The counselor is probably legally liable to do so.Quote: KevinAAThis stuff makes me sick. How is it in any way fair that a 16 year old whore gets to lie about her age and the victim (the man who was LIED TO) is punished?
I'm wondering about the sexting, maybe government surveillance was key bringing this guy down. I can see it possible theoretically, but not betting on it. There used to be some kind of theories about how this secret surveillance was hidden, the police would just substitute another anonymous source as the leak.
My sympathies depend on whether the girl is a little drugged up sociopath or being pimped by someone.
It’s really easy to avoid these crimes. Actually know the person you’re sleeping with.
Quote: FinsRuleI’m surprised so many people are defending a statutory rapist.
It’s really easy to avoid these crimes. Actually know the person you’re sleeping with.
Good point, but so many people think they have a mutual love with that complete stranger on the other side of the computer! Some even cross state lines to meet up with them in private! To avoid hijacking, i will put a quick snippet. A 16 year old in new york had a 17 year old online boyfriend who lived in florida. She went down there and he was actually a 47 year old man who raped and kidnapped her and her mom luckily flew down there, got her out of there and pressed charges on the creep! Suffice this to say many people don't know what they are getting into when online dating meets the real world.
Quote: FinsRuleI’m surprised so many people are defending a statutory rapist.
Well, the statute was not meant to be about protecting 16 year olds who willingly pretend to be 18.
Quote: AZDuffmanWell, the statute was not meant to be about protecting 16 year olds who willingly pretend to be 18.
I’m not so sure about that.
Quote: AZDuffmanWell, the statute was not meant to be about protecting 16 year olds who willingly pretend to be 18.
It could have been set up by the fbi much like police sending 16 year olds to buy tobacco and alcohol to test if the cashier follows id rules and regulations and if the cashier foolishly sells the underage customer the adult item, the customer reports them to the police. Note that the minor turned him in after the sex. This screams set up to me.
Quote: NathanIt could have been set up by the fbi much like police sending 16 year olds to buy tobacco and alcohol to test if the cashier follows id rules and regulations and if the cashier foolishly sells the underage customer the adult item, the customer reports them to the police. Note that the minor turned him in after the sex. This screams set up to me.
There is a 0 percent chance of that.
Not saying a guy who is genuinely misled should be convicted. But there are a lot of obvious problems if you go the other way too.
Quote: AZDuffmanWell, the statute was not meant to be about protecting 16 year olds who willingly pretend to be 18.
Of course it is. The whole idea is to protect children from making bad decisions because they're too young to appreciate the consequences of their actions.
Quote: NathanThis is just my educated theory but it is possible that the fbi sent this presumably adult looking 16 your old to seduce him so they could nail him on statutory rape. They could have put a hidden camera to capture him having sex with a minor knowing he'd get in big legal and financial trouble.
This is not educated theory. This is ignorant crap. I'm a retired fed and find you quite insulting. The federal government does not pimp for children. Stop spamming this thread with garbage.
Quote: NathanIt could have been set up by the fbi much like police sending 16 year olds to buy tobacco and alcohol to test if the cashier follows id rules and regulations and if the cashier foolishly sells the underage customer the adult item, the customer reports them to the police. Note that the minor turned him in after the sex. This screams set up to me.
This screams spamming to me. Last warning.
I don't think it was that bad, our government has been accused of assassinating other leaders around the world, it's not that far fetched. Remember Wikileaks Julian Assange being accused of rape, that was alleged a frame job and I think the charges went nowhere but a little reading up seems he will always be targeted by the US. It's the same level.Quote: beachbumbabsThis is not educated theory. This is ignorant crap. I'm a retired fed and find you quite insulting. The federal government does not pimp for children. Stop spamming this thread with garbage.
This screams spamming to me. Last warning.
But IF you're picking up women who could appear in hot teen magazine, no one is probably going to believe your defense, of 'she lied to me as anywhere near convincing. Nor should they feel sorry for your sorry poor decision making skills.
Quote: RigondeauxIf I buy a kilo of white powder from Columbia and it comes in a package that says baking soda, and I keep referring it to baking soda, should I get off the hook?
Not saying a guy who is genuinely misled should be convicted. But there are a lot of obvious problems if you go the other way too.
It’s more like if you go to Vons to buy some baking soda for your fridge. You can’t find it so you ask an employee. He helps you find it and rings you up at the register. A little while later that employee goes to the cops and says, “yeah I sold that guy cocaine, even though he thinks it’s baking soda. It’s in a box marked baking soda from Arm & Hammer. Don’t charge me with a crime though, I’m just a dumb whore. Sure I sold him cocaine when I shouldn’t have, but he bought cocaine without opening the box and doing some scientific chemical testing to verify it is what he thought it was. And for that he should go to prison for 20 years! Please protect me from this mean guy who bought cocaine from me!!!”
Quote: FinsRuleThere is a 0 percent chance of that.
Why? Have you not seen how dirty the FBI was in the last election?
I would not at all put it past them. Their reputation is kind of shot ant they have much to do to earn their respect back. Look for more bad to come out before it gets better.
Quote: beachbumbabsOf course it is. The whole idea is to protect children from making bad decisions because they're too young to appreciate the consequences of their actions.
No. It is about protecting them from a male in power over them. HS teacher uses pressure to get a student to have sex with him. "Him" because women are allowed to do this as teacher it seems. Anyhow, she wants or needs a better grade, so he suggests they work something out. That is murky to be called forcible rape. So you have the statutory rape law.
OTOH, it the 16 yo is willingly out looking for some action, and pretends to be 18. Sorry, I am not finding against the man if I am on the jury. Even if she "cannot appreciate" it, there is no reason a man should have to ask her to show ID if she was in a place known to be restricted to over 18.
Quote: AZDuffmanWhy? Have you not seen how dirty the FBI was in the last election?
I would not at all put it past them. Their reputation is kind of shot ant they have much to do to earn their respect back. Look for more bad to come out before it gets better.
So you think there is a chance that the FBI is hiring 16 year old girls to have sex with men for money. And these 16 year olds are reliable enough that it will never be found out.
It must be tough living life like that. If everything is a possible conspiracy, how can you trust anyone? I feel bad for you.
Quote: AZDuffmanNo. It is about protecting them from a male in power over them. HS teacher uses pressure to get a student to have sex with him. "Him" because women are allowed to do this as teacher it seems. Anyhow, she wants or needs a better grade, so he suggests they work something out. That is murky to be called forcible rape. So you have the statutory rape law.
OTOH, it the 16 yo is willingly out looking for some action, and pretends to be 18. Sorry, I am not finding against the man if I am on the jury. Even if she "cannot appreciate" it, there is no reason a man should have to ask her to show ID if she was in a place known to be restricted to over 18.
That's a really good point.
Quote: FinsRuleSo you think there is a chance that the FBI is hiring 16 year old girls to have sex with men for money. And these 16 year olds are reliable enough that it will never be found out.
It must be tough living life like that. If everything is a possible conspiracy, how can you trust anyone?
It is called "taking the Red Pill." Same Justice Department that let a guy off with what, 5 years for 20 murders? Same FBI that let a gangster move in and take the liquor store of hardworking people so they could get they guy they wanted? Same group that used a fake dossier to wiretap a POTUS candidate with a secret warrant from a secret court?
Now they cannot get the guy on what they want? Sorry, but there is stink on them.
Quote:I feel bad for you.
Don't waste your time "feeling bad" for someone on a forum. I don't.
Quote: RSIt’s more like if you go to Vons to buy some baking soda for your fridge. You can’t find it so you ask an employee. He helps you find it and rings you up at the register. A little while later that employee goes to the cops and says, “yeah I sold that guy cocaine, even though he thinks it’s baking soda. It’s in a box marked baking soda from Arm & Hammer. Don’t charge me with a crime though, I’m just a dumb whore. Sure I sold him cocaine when I shouldn’t have, but he bought cocaine without opening the box and doing some scientific chemical testing to verify it is what he thought it was. And for that he should go to prison for 20 years! Please protect me from this mean guy who bought cocaine from me!!!”
If he was actually misled, sure. I don't know or care about this case so I won't spend 9 hours trying to discern that.
But if you push the laws in the other direction you open the door to the scenario I described, perhaps including cases of prostitution.
In either case, it is tough to know or prove what somebody believed. They might not even know.
Just spit balling here.
Quote: billryanPerhaps you should make it a point to know something about the person you are going to sleep with.
Just spit balling here.
I’ve already said that. That thought was ignored.
Quote: billryanPerhaps you should make it a point to know something about the person you are going to sleep with.
Just spit balling here.
That is not how the business of being a whore works. Whores are not going to let you know anything about them. Girlfriends, maybe. Whores, no way!
But I also agree - if I am on a jury and ruling on this case, I am voting that the guy is innocent of rape. Its called common sense.
Quote: billryanHow do you vote him innocent of statutory rape?
Step 1: Get on the jury
Step 2: Find him not guilty
Quote: billryanHow do you vote him innocent of statutory rape?
When the jury retires into their deliberations, then they become "the law." There is a reason that the justice system is not a "check the box" process in which the court can just shrug their shoulders and say that you are guilty. Rather, a jury of your peers must agree that you are guilty.
Quote: onenickelmiracleIt's called jury nullification, rarely ever happens any more. If you feel it's not a crime, they won't let you on the jury or will tell you you cannot consider something. I'm pretty vague, I'm not an expert
Happened on the jury I sat on.
