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April 25th, 2018 at 4:56:55 AM permalink
Sometimes a few of the members here in Vegas get together and have a FRIENDLY poker game. Such as The Wizard and Myself, I'll stop there. If others want to mention they play as well, I'll leave that up to them.

We Socialize, play poker, have some drinks, eat and play some chess or whatever.

We were planning on having one around the 2nd -7th of May, depending on when the most people are available.

I know there are some people I haven't invited yet. I can't always remember who all lives in Vegas and might be interested.

If anyone is interested PM me for questions and details.

BYOHB. (-;
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April 25th, 2018 at 5:34:53 AM permalink
Your presence is particularly desirable if you do not pick some dumb crap like guts when it is your turn to choose.
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April 25th, 2018 at 6:25:43 AM permalink
Playing guts with Axel is quite fun.😃🤑
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April 25th, 2018 at 7:26:33 AM permalink
If it is played on the weekend I would try to participate.
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April 25th, 2018 at 8:06:08 AM permalink
Sounds like a dealer choice game, huh? I love these and would love to participate but won't be in town until 'around' the meetup. If there are any poker games around that time frame then let me know! =D
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April 25th, 2018 at 8:14:05 AM permalink
Quote: Rigondeaux

Your presence is particularly desirable if you do not pick some dumb crap like guts when it is your turn to choose.



I would say your presence is particularly desirable if you do pick some dumb crap like guts when it is your turn to choose. Simple games for simple minds.
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April 25th, 2018 at 12:38:49 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

I would say your presence is particularly desirable if you do pick some dumb crap like guts when it is your turn to choose. Simple games for simple minds.




If by "guts" you guys mean 5-draw high open on anything, I would hardly call it "simple". Members who are under 60 years old might not be familiar with John Fox's "Play Poker, Quit Work, and Sleep till Noon", but if they could just skim through it they would never think it simple.
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April 25th, 2018 at 12:42:19 PM permalink
They don't.
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April 25th, 2018 at 2:12:33 PM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

Quote: Wizard

I would say your presence is particularly desirable if you do pick some dumb crap like guts when it is your turn to choose. Simple games for simple minds.




If by "guts" you guys mean 5-draw high open on anything, I would hardly call it "simple". Members who are under 60 years old might not be familiar with John Fox's "Play Poker, Quit Work, and Sleep till Noon", but if they could just skim through it they would never think it simple.



The "guts" they're talking about is a different game. Not 5 card draw, guts to open (as opposed to JOB to open, trips to win, or something like that).

It's a killer. I was ridiculously lucky when I played it with them.

I, too, was hoping for a poker game with all the usual suspects and a couple others close to the WoV Spring Fling. But maybe the locals need the practice before the rest of us get there. :p
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April 25th, 2018 at 2:34:29 PM permalink
Quote: beachbumbabs



The "guts" they're talking about is a different game. Not 5 card draw, guts to open (as opposed to JOB to open, trips to win, or something like that).

It's a killer. I was ridiculously lucky when I played it with them.

I, too, was hoping for a poker game with all the usual suspects and a couple others close to the WoV Spring Fling. But maybe the locals need the practice before the rest of us get there. :p




Ok, thanks. I got the hint from Billy that I didn't know what they, nor I, was talking about. I'm glad you beat them.
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April 25th, 2018 at 2:47:30 PM permalink
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Ok, thanks. I got the hint from Billy that I didn't know what they, nor I, was talking about. I'm glad you beat them.



Actually, Wizard has written it up pretty close to what they're playing. They use a couple of the bullet-point variations.

https://wizardofodds.com/games/guts-poker/
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April 25th, 2018 at 5:04:52 PM permalink
There was one point I was winning too often at guts because everyone kept folding and I had guts.

So now what? Someone, figured they would change the rules so if you won you had to now have your hand beat a fantom hand. And if you lost to that hand you had to double the pot for the next hand.



I think someone was trying to distract me when they announced the rule change.

And of course I win the pot (with a flush) and I was expecting the pot get pushed to me. Instead I have to double the pot and fade the fantom hand. Of course I lose. I was not to happy.
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April 25th, 2018 at 6:04:09 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

There was one point I was winning too often at guts because everyone kept folding and I had guts.

So now what? Someone, figured they would change the rules so if you won you had to now have your hand beat a fantom hand. And if you lost to that hand you had to double the pot for the next hand.



I think someone was trying to distract me when they announced the rule change.

And of course I win the pot (with a flush) and I was expecting the pot get pushed to me. Instead I have to double the pot and fade the fantom hand. Of course I lose. I was not to happy.



I'm actually impressed you remember that.
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April 25th, 2018 at 6:52:23 PM permalink
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I'm actually impressed you remember that.

Barley, I had some help remembering all the details.
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April 25th, 2018 at 7:05:10 PM permalink
I assume you've seen the video?
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April 25th, 2018 at 7:20:36 PM permalink
Quote: billryan

I assume you've seen the video?

I think you are talking about the Super Bowl Party.

The time I was talking about was the first time you came at a different location.
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April 25th, 2018 at 7:21:19 PM permalink
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There was one point I was winning too often at guts because everyone kept folding and I had guts.




So then basically, this is yours and Barbara's own private pumpkin patch.
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April 25th, 2018 at 11:13:00 PM permalink
Guts is a game for people who had their lunch money stolen while beaten with a slipper and pantsed, while being thrown in a dumpster fire of aborted babies on prom night where all the preggers women throw away their babbies
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April 25th, 2018 at 11:32:16 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

There was one point I was winning too often at guts because everyone kept folding and I had guts.

So now what? Someone, figured they would change the rules so if you won you had to now have your hand beat a fantom hand. And if you lost to that hand you had to double the pot for the next hand.



I think someone was trying to distract me when they announced the rule change.

And of course I win the pot (with a flush) and I was expecting the pot get pushed to me. Instead I have to double the pot and fade the fantom hand. Of course I lose. I was not to happy.



It is not our responsibility to ensure that you are happy.😜😃

Phantom hands are normal. Next time we play with 2 phantom hands and Axel pays triple rule.
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April 25th, 2018 at 11:41:22 PM permalink
I'm down to play. I just wanna play guts, pineapple, and some weird pineapple variations that usually get considered.
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April 26th, 2018 at 6:35:04 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

There was one point I was winning too often at guts because everyone kept folding and I had guts.

So now what? Someone, figured they would change the rules so if you won you had to now have your hand beat a fantom hand. And if you lost to that hand you had to double the pot for the next hand.

I think someone was trying to distract me when they announced the rule change.

And of course I win the pot (with a flush) and I was expecting the pot get pushed to me. Instead I have to double the pot and fade the fantom hand. Of course I lose. I was not to happy.



This rule change was discussed at the table and most agreed to it. We wimpy Guts players hate to see stolen pots. I suspect too many Captain and Cokes may have been a factor in your attention span. Also, it's called the "dummy hand," not the "phantom hand."
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April 26th, 2018 at 6:37:45 AM permalink
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Also, it's called the "dummy hand," not the "phantom hand."


In these burn games where you have to also beat the above, we just say you have to also "beat the deck. " My favorite of these is "Bloody 7's."
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April 26th, 2018 at 6:41:19 AM permalink
There is a chance I will be in Vegas in June. If there is a card game at that time, Id love to take Axel's Chips. Ill bring the Philly Cheesesteaks!
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April 26th, 2018 at 7:32:51 AM permalink
Quote: Wizard

This rule change was discussed at the table and most agreed to it. We wimpy Guts players hate to see stolen pots. I suspect too many Captain and Cokes may have been a factor in your attention span. Also, it's called the "dummy hand," not the "phantom hand."

In ANY poker variant being able to "bluff" is a massive part of the game. Adding in phantom hands (I think that sounds cooler lol) is a very diluted way to play the game... killing off bluffing opportunities and part of the game of poker, in my opinion.

...have some guts people. I've made money on Axel every single time I've played him in poker =).
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April 26th, 2018 at 10:25:41 AM permalink
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In ANY poker variant being able to "bluff" is a massive part of the game. Adding in phantom hands (I think that sounds cooler lol) is a very diluted way to play the game... killing off bluffing opportunities and part of the game of poker, in my opinion.

...have some guts people. I've made money on Axel every single time I've played him in poker =).

Lies.

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April 26th, 2018 at 11:28:02 AM permalink
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Lies.

Last time we played it was a big nothing.

lol huh? Last time we played I believe I finished up 1-2x the buy in, and of course I tried to play as many pots as possible with you... thus most of it was your money =).
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April 26th, 2018 at 2:36:18 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

In ANY poker variant being able to "bluff" is a massive part of the game. Adding in phantom hands (I think that sounds cooler lol) is a very diluted way to play the game... killing off bluffing opportunities and part of the game of poker, in my opinion.

...have some guts people. I've made money on Axel every single time I've played him in poker =).



I disagree. In guts forms of poker , everyone makes their decision simultaneously as to being in or out without any knowledge of betting patterns leading up to that point , so what is bluffing really accomplishing?.. you are basically staying with nothing and hoping the others all drop. That’s not skill , it’s just 100% luck in picking the right time to do it. It’s a simple guess. For it to be a bluff , someone acting after you has to have the opportunity to call you or be fooled by you and fold

True bluffing as a strategy can only be done in poker games where players take turns playing their hands and deciding if and how much to bet. It’s a positional strategy also which plays no part in guts

The idea behind guts and more specifically the phantom hand is just to try and build a bigger pot , thus making everyone more likely to drop mid range hands out of fear of having to match the pot , which creates a snowball effect of building the pot even more. (If there’s an ante when everyone drops)
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April 26th, 2018 at 3:02:07 PM permalink
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I disagree. In guts forms of poker , everyone makes their decision simultaneously as to being in or out without any knowledge of betting patterns leading up to that point , so what is bluffing really accomplishing?.. you are basically staying with nothing and hoping the others all drop. That’s not skill , it’s just 100% luck in picking the right time to do it. It’s a simple guess. For it to be a bluff , someone acting after you has to have the opportunity to call you or be fooled by you and fold

True bluffing as a strategy can only be done in poker games where players take turns playing their hands and deciding if and how much to bet. It’s a positional strategy also which plays no part in guts

The idea behind guts and more specifically the phantom hand is just to try and build a bigger pot , thus making everyone more likely to drop mid range hands out of fear of having to match the pot , which creates a snowball effect of building the pot even more. (If there’s an ante when everyone drops)



Back East, we play it different. It follows a regular poker pattern where each player declares one at a time in or out. This obviously helps the last player or two to act, so the blind hand" keeps someone in the last seat from stealing the pot and doesn't force the last few people in to keep that from happening. We only use the "blind" if only one person stays in.
Sometimes we play with two cards, occasionally only one. In that case, a tie causes both players to match the pot so even getting an Ace isn't a sure win.
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April 26th, 2018 at 3:08:26 PM permalink
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Back East, we play it different. It follows a regular poker pattern where each player declares one at a time in or out.


We used to do that. What we do now is to, under the table, put a coin in your hand or not then clench it, then everyone reveal it at the same time. Those with coins are in, those without are out. Then the winning hand or hands must beat the deck. We only do this for burn games where you have to match the pot if you lose.
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April 26th, 2018 at 3:28:37 PM permalink
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I disagree. In guts forms of poker , everyone makes their decision simultaneously as to being in or out without any knowledge of betting patterns leading up to that point , so what is bluffing really accomplishing?.. you are basically staying with nothing and hoping the others all drop. That’s not skill , it’s just 100% luck in picking the right time to do it. It’s a simple guess. For it to be a bluff , someone acting after you has to have the opportunity to call you or be fooled by you and fold



Bluffing is not the best word in this case. If you think your opponents are all wimps, especially with a big pot, it pays to lower your standards to go in. So, it isn't just a mathematical game.
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April 26th, 2018 at 3:30:43 PM permalink
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We used to do that. What we do now is to, under the table, put a coin in your hand or not then clench it, then everyone reveal it at the same time. Those with coins are in, those without are out. Then the winning hand or hands must beat the deck. We only do this for burn games where you have to match the pot if you lose.



I've played it that way too. There is a huge positional advantage to going last.

Yet another way is to stay or drop on the count of three, but there is often a problem with late droppers, especially when a lot of alcohol is involved.
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April 26th, 2018 at 3:31:48 PM permalink
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We used to do that. What we do now is to, under the table, put a coin in your hand or not then clench it, then everyone reveal it at the same time. Those with coins are in, those without are out. Then the winning hand or hands must beat the deck. We only do this for burn games where you have to match the pot if you lose.




I'd never seen it played that way until the night in question. I think the final pot exceeded $400, from a very minor opening.
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May 2nd, 2018 at 4:15:55 PM permalink
We have one more spot for this Saturday evening. PM me if you are interested.
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