StricklyAP/WizardofNothing
To be honest, I slightly suspected you of making that post. This person uses a lot of keywords that you like to use, and their writing style is very similar to yours.Quote: NathanQuote: EndgameQuote: SarahFromMiamiHey everyone! 👋
I know this thread is super old, but I felt like I needed to update you all because this guy is STILL out there trying to scam people - me being his latest target (or at least I think so).
So I matched with the person being talked about here on a dating app here in Florida. He introduced himself with a different last name, though I later caught a glimpse of his ID when he was paying for dinner and saw his REAL last name (red flag much? 🚩). We went on a few dates, and OMG he would NOT stop talking about gambling. Constantly showing me pictures of his "big wins" and bragging about being besties with VegasPaulyC (someone should definitely warn that poor guy!).
After a few dates, I mentioned that my dad had recently passed away and left me some inheritance money. BIG mistake. 😩 Suddenly, all he wanted to talk about was me "backing his plays." I kept telling him I wasn't interested, but he was so pushy that I eventually just blocked him. Did some digging on Google and found this thread - felt like I had to share my experience too!
Get this - he wanted me to fund some "card pulling" scheme. 🙄 He claimed that a few years back, he led a team that created fake losses totaling over $20 million at Resorts World in Vegas on electronic baccarat machines. Apparently, he bribed a host to give him Freeplay based on these fake losses and supposedly made $2 million. He said the scheme only ended because the host got fired, and Resorts World was so mad they pulled all the machines and banned his partners.
When I pointed out that bribing people is literally illegal, he was like "No, no, it's totally fine!" He swore he knew other places in Vegas where this "scheme" still works. Then came the pitch: with "just" $50K of my inheritance money, he could make even more than before because he had "improvements." When I asked why he needed MY money if he made $2 million before, he couldn't give me a straight answer. 🤦♀️
After reading everything about him in this thread and on that website someone made about him, I'm SO glad I walked away. Can't believe he's still out there pulling the same stunts from when this thread started!
Stay safe out there, ladies! 💕
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I would like to point out the “stay safe out there” sign off is what strictly ap always says. There is a Strong probability this is him bragging about a play. He loves attention
We have a game to finish you and I…..
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Wait. Are you implying that SarahfromMiami is actually Strictly AP/WON? 😱😳 If SarahfromMiami does turn out to be Strictly AP/WON this will be one of the greatest Troll tricks of WOV ever, bashing Strictly AP/WON while being him himself! 😱😳
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There is by the way one forensic link alone that makes it nearly impossible for the Sarah post to have been made by WON.
You should go do your research. I'm ashamed to say, I have outed WAY more sockpuppets here than you have(That fact isn't even up for debate, and it's not even close).Quote: MDawgAt least you said "slightly" because everything else you wrote belies any notion of forensic abilities. You'd better leave such matters to me, who has been tried and proven in linking KewlJ and others to sock puppets here.
There is by the way one forensic link alone that makes it nearly impossible for the Sarah post to have been made by WON.
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Even ones that fooled Mods, Mike, and most other people for long periods of time, I was onto them after their first post. Again, I realized it was a shameful and foolish time-wasting endeavor, and I mostly stopped jacking around with that nonsense. I know of quite a few sock puppet accounts on here, and I just keep my mouth shut.
Why aren't you out winning 80-90% of your baccarat ties?
And I beg to differ as to your sock puppet seeking skills. Sometimes you have a sense of "this must be" but unlike you, I use primarily science and much less "spidey sense" to bring them to light.
I will end the conversation for now since you resorted to insults.Quote: MDawgJust that you are using that % figure belies the notion that you are capable of reading anything carefully or closely. Trust A.Wolf to get things wrong!
And I beg to differ as to your sock puppet seeking skills. Sometimes you have a sense of "this must be" but unlike you, I use primarily science and much less "spidey sense" to bring them to light.
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The claimed figure was 25%. At the time UnJon stepped in to correct too.
Now, are you going to keep misquoting the matter and allow the criticism to stand?
Quote: Mission146Quote: RSFor those unsure of what's being discussed, here's the website, with redactions (protecting the personal information of con artists is important) --
Protecting the Personal Information of anyone is important. This is a message board that people sign up for anonymously, so any personal information that was not openly volunteered has no business being shared here. That is Rule #4 of this Forum.
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This reminds me, is Mission ever coming back. He hasn't posted in 14 months and he's only checked in once this year.
Quote: AxelWolfTo be honest, I slightly suspected you of making that post. This person uses a lot of keywords that you like to use, and their writing style is very similar to yours.Quote: NathanQuote: EndgameQuote: SarahFromMiamiHey everyone! 👋
I know this thread is super old, but I felt like I needed to update you all because this guy is STILL out there trying to scam people - me being his latest target (or at least I think so).
So I matched with the person being talked about here on a dating app here in Florida. He introduced himself with a different last name, though I later caught a glimpse of his ID when he was paying for dinner and saw his REAL last name (red flag much? 🚩). We went on a few dates, and OMG he would NOT stop talking about gambling. Constantly showing me pictures of his "big wins" and bragging about being besties with VegasPaulyC (someone should definitely warn that poor guy!).
After a few dates, I mentioned that my dad had recently passed away and left me some inheritance money. BIG mistake. 😩 Suddenly, all he wanted to talk about was me "backing his plays." I kept telling him I wasn't interested, but he was so pushy that I eventually just blocked him. Did some digging on Google and found this thread - felt like I had to share my experience too!
Get this - he wanted me to fund some "card pulling" scheme. 🙄 He claimed that a few years back, he led a team that created fake losses totaling over $20 million at Resorts World in Vegas on electronic baccarat machines. Apparently, he bribed a host to give him Freeplay based on these fake losses and supposedly made $2 million. He said the scheme only ended because the host got fired, and Resorts World was so mad they pulled all the machines and banned his partners.
When I pointed out that bribing people is literally illegal, he was like "No, no, it's totally fine!" He swore he knew other places in Vegas where this "scheme" still works. Then came the pitch: with "just" $50K of my inheritance money, he could make even more than before because he had "improvements." When I asked why he needed MY money if he made $2 million before, he couldn't give me a straight answer. 🤦♀️
After reading everything about him in this thread and on that website someone made about him, I'm SO glad I walked away. Can't believe he's still out there pulling the same stunts from when this thread started!
Stay safe out there, ladies! 💕
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I would like to point out the “stay safe out there” sign off is what strictly ap always says. There is a Strong probability this is him bragging about a play. He loves attention
We have a game to finish you and I…..
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Wait. Are you implying that SarahfromMiami is actually Strictly AP/WON? 😱😳 If SarahfromMiami does turn out to be Strictly AP/WON this will be one of the greatest Troll tricks of WOV ever, bashing Strictly AP/WON while being him himself! 😱😳
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Nope, Sarahfrommiami isn't me. I am an Asexual, so I wouldn't be going on a date with ANYBODY. Nor did my Father die. My grandfather died in January 2025. 😭 And I didn't get an inheritance from him, and even if I did, I certainly wouldn't have been talking about an inheritance to someone I am CASUALLY dating. 💡
Quote: EvenBobQuote: Mission146Quote: RSFor those unsure of what's being discussed, here's the website, with redactions (protecting the personal information of con artists is important) --
Protecting the Personal Information of anyone is important. This is a message board that people sign up for anonymously, so any personal information that was not openly volunteered has no business being shared here. That is Rule #4 of this Forum.
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This reminds me, is Mission ever coming back. He hasn't posted in 14 months and he's only checked in once this year.
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Mission146 is indefinitely suspended.
As far as I know, the suspension will be lifted when the offense is cured.
URL redacted -D .
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I would like to point out the “stay safe out there” sign off is what strictly ap always says. There is a Strong probability this is him bragging about a play. He loves attention
We have a game to finish you and I…..
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Wait. Are you implying that SarahfromMiami is actually Strictly AP/WON? 😱😳 If SarahfromMiami does turn out to be Strictly AP/WON this will be one of the greatest Troll tricks of WOV ever, bashing Strictly AP/WON while being him himself! 😱😳
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Okay so I literally just found this forum yesterday. I was Googling this guy's name after what happened (not saying who since I guess that's against the rules here) and ended up here. I'm definitely NOT "WON" or whoever else. And I'm pretty sure this "endgame" commenter is actually HIM trying to make my post seem fake 🙄
Honestly I'm just trying to warn everyone that this scammer is still out there doing his thing. If anyone knows VegasPaulyC, please send him a heads up! I've got a pretty decent following on TikTok but don't want to use my platform for this kind of drama. This guy showed me all these messages between him and VPC about some business venture they're starting together. VPC probably doesn't even know his real name, but he always uses the same first name from what I can tell.
Just trying to look out for everyone! ✨💕
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I would like to point out the “stay safe out there” sign off is what strictly ap always says. There is a Strong probability this is him bragging about a play. He loves attention
We have a game to finish you and I…..
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Wait. Are you implying that SarahfromMiami is actually Strictly AP/WON? 😱😳 If SarahfromMiami does turn out to be Strictly AP/WON this will be one of the greatest Troll tricks of WOV ever, bashing Strictly AP/WON while being him himself! 😱😳
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Okay so I literally just found this forum yesterday. I was Googling this guy's name after what happened (not saying who since I guess that's against the rules here) and ended up here. I'm definitely NOT "WON" or whoever else. And I'm pretty sure this "endgame" commenter is actually HIM trying to make my post seem fake 🙄
Honestly I'm just trying to warn everyone that this scammer is still out there doing his thing. If anyone knows VegasPaulyC, please send him a heads up! I've got a pretty decent following on TikTok but don't want to use my platform for this kind of drama. This guy showed me all these messages between him and VPC about some business venture they're starting together. VPC probably doesn't even know his real name, but he always uses the same first name from what I can tell.
Just trying to look out for everyone! ✨💕
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And thanks a lot for that. I always appreciate being warned about scammers, because I'm not very good at detecting them myself.
But I'm sure you would make a very good advantage player! The software for this site is obscure and eccentric, not a lot of people have experience with such code, but you seem to have mastered the ins-and-outs of it in just 2 posts. It took me 5-10 posts, as I am just a monkey and extended retention and analysis of information takes a toll on me. But I am still capable of advantage play.
Show me where I quoted anything? I asked a question, you could easily ask what I'm talking about without an insult.Quote: MDawgFour years ago I pointed out that you got it wrong as far as misquoting the matter on the "80%" figure and yet still now four years later you are repeating the same error, clearly oblivious to that we have gone through all this once before. The statement stands: Just that you are using that % figure belies the notion that you are capable of reading anything carefully or closely. Trust A.Wolf to get things wrong! It is not an insult but a statement of fact regarding your failure to correct yourself even after we already went through this at length before.
The claimed figure was 25%. At the time UnJon stepped in to correct too.
Now, are you going to keep misquoting the matter and allow the criticism to stand?
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It's obvious they crafted their post to seem like it's you, or at least a female who writes like you, and from the same area. I think I know who it is, but who cares?Quote: NathanQuote: AxelWolfTo be honest, I slightly suspected you of making that post. This person uses a lot of keywords that you like to use, and their writing style is very similar to yours.Quote: NathanQuote: EndgameQuote: SarahFromMiamiHey everyone! 👋
I know this thread is super old, but I felt like I needed to update you all because this guy is STILL out there trying to scam people - me being his latest target (or at least I think so).
So I matched with the person being talked about here on a dating app here in Florida. He introduced himself with a different last name, though I later caught a glimpse of his ID when he was paying for dinner and saw his REAL last name (red flag much? 🚩). We went on a few dates, and OMG he would NOT stop talking about gambling. Constantly showing me pictures of his "big wins" and bragging about being besties with VegasPaulyC (someone should definitely warn that poor guy!).
After a few dates, I mentioned that my dad had recently passed away and left me some inheritance money. BIG mistake. 😩 Suddenly, all he wanted to talk about was me "backing his plays." I kept telling him I wasn't interested, but he was so pushy that I eventually just blocked him. Did some digging on Google and found this thread - felt like I had to share my experience too!
Get this - he wanted me to fund some "card pulling" scheme. 🙄 He claimed that a few years back, he led a team that created fake losses totaling over $20 million at Resorts World in Vegas on electronic baccarat machines. Apparently, he bribed a host to give him Freeplay based on these fake losses and supposedly made $2 million. He said the scheme only ended because the host got fired, and Resorts World was so mad they pulled all the machines and banned his partners.
When I pointed out that bribing people is literally illegal, he was like "No, no, it's totally fine!" He swore he knew other places in Vegas where this "scheme" still works. Then came the pitch: with "just" $50K of my inheritance money, he could make even more than before because he had "improvements." When I asked why he needed MY money if he made $2 million before, he couldn't give me a straight answer. 🤦♀️
After reading everything about him in this thread and on that website someone made about him, I'm SO glad I walked away. Can't believe he's still out there pulling the same stunts from when this thread started!
Stay safe out there, ladies! 💕
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I would like to point out the “stay safe out there” sign off is what strictly ap always says. There is a Strong probability this is him bragging about a play. He loves attention
We have a game to finish you and I…..
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Wait. Are you implying that SarahfromMiami is actually Strictly AP/WON? 😱😳 If SarahfromMiami does turn out to be Strictly AP/WON this will be one of the greatest Troll tricks of WOV ever, bashing Strictly AP/WON while being him himself! 😱😳
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Nope, Sarahfrommiami isn't me. I am an Asexual, so I wouldn't be going on a date with ANYBODY. Nor did my Father die. My grandfather died in January 2025. 😭 And I didn't get an inheritance from him, and even if I did, I certainly wouldn't have been talking about an inheritance to someone I am CASUALLY dating. 💡
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I never quoted anything related to you and a percentage. Show me where I quoted you. I asked a question, period.Quote: MDawgYou quoted an 80% figure, which is wrong. Again, we went over this four years ago it's not my fault you can't remember. Was wrong then as it is now. More wrong now, in that we already went over it at length.
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You are implying that I said your overall average is, or that you always hit 80-90% . I never said that. I just asked why you are not out hitting that percentage. You could have just said, because I only hit 50%, not 80-90%. Then I could say why aren't you out hitting 50% of your bac ties? And you could have responded to that.
Bro, are you talking about 4 years ago? Im talking about the conversation we are having today, and you know that.Quote: MDawgI am not here to teach you anything about what words mean, beyond pointing out that you misquoted the matter, again. Either you have no recollection of your prior misquoting of this matter four years ago, or you do, but in either case, wrong then, wrong now.
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You say I missquoted the matter AGAIN... SHOW ME THE AGIAN QUOTE!!! You can't since I didn't quote you regarding this matter again. Hell, show me the original quote, even.
You quoted an 80-90% figure and ascribed it to me. Same thing you did four years ago, except then you said 80%.
Sounds like you can't show me where or how I quoted you; therefore, claim I don't understand.Quote: MDawgJust because you don't understand the term "quote" is not my fault.
You quoted an 80-90% figure and ascribed it to me. Same thing you did four years ago, except then you said 80%.
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It's right there, I never quoted you; I asked you a question. I even presented a recent quote that gave me a legit reason to ask my question.
I can even give an example of someone else who would ask a similar question.
Quote: AxelWolfIt's obvious they crafted their post to seem like it's you, or at least a female who writes like you, and from the same area. I think I know who it is, but who cares?Quote: NathanQuote: AxelWolfTo be honest, I slightly suspected you of making that post. This person uses a lot of keywords that you like to use, and their writing style is very similar to yours.Quote: NathanQuote: EndgameQuote: SarahFromMiamiHey everyone! 👋
I know this thread is super old, but I felt like I needed to update you all because this guy is STILL out there trying to scam people - me being his latest target (or at least I think so).
So I matched with the person being talked about here on a dating app here in Florida. He introduced himself with a different last name, though I later caught a glimpse of his ID when he was paying for dinner and saw his REAL last name (red flag much? 🚩). We went on a few dates, and OMG he would NOT stop talking about gambling. Constantly showing me pictures of his "big wins" and bragging about being besties with VegasPaulyC (someone should definitely warn that poor guy!).
After a few dates, I mentioned that my dad had recently passed away and left me some inheritance money. BIG mistake. 😩 Suddenly, all he wanted to talk about was me "backing his plays." I kept telling him I wasn't interested, but he was so pushy that I eventually just blocked him. Did some digging on Google and found this thread - felt like I had to share my experience too!
Get this - he wanted me to fund some "card pulling" scheme. 🙄 He claimed that a few years back, he led a team that created fake losses totaling over $20 million at Resorts World in Vegas on electronic baccarat machines. Apparently, he bribed a host to give him Freeplay based on these fake losses and supposedly made $2 million. He said the scheme only ended because the host got fired, and Resorts World was so mad they pulled all the machines and banned his partners.
When I pointed out that bribing people is literally illegal, he was like "No, no, it's totally fine!" He swore he knew other places in Vegas where this "scheme" still works. Then came the pitch: with "just" $50K of my inheritance money, he could make even more than before because he had "improvements." When I asked why he needed MY money if he made $2 million before, he couldn't give me a straight answer. 🤦♀️
After reading everything about him in this thread and on that website someone made about him, I'm SO glad I walked away. Can't believe he's still out there pulling the same stunts from when this thread started!
Stay safe out there, ladies! 💕
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I would like to point out the “stay safe out there” sign off is what strictly ap always says. There is a Strong probability this is him bragging about a play. He loves attention
We have a game to finish you and I…..
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Wait. Are you implying that SarahfromMiami is actually Strictly AP/WON? 😱😳 If SarahfromMiami does turn out to be Strictly AP/WON this will be one of the greatest Troll tricks of WOV ever, bashing Strictly AP/WON while being him himself! 😱😳
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Nope, Sarahfrommiami isn't me. I am an Asexual, so I wouldn't be going on a date with ANYBODY. Nor did my Father die. My grandfather died in January 2025. 😭 And I didn't get an inheritance from him, and even if I did, I certainly wouldn't have been talking about an inheritance to someone I am CASUALLY dating. 💡
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I had an Imposter calling themselves Karen Nathan and apologizing and begging to be let back on WOV when I was STILL permanently banned at the time. This Imposter nailed my mannerisms, but Oncedear was HIGHLY skeptical and said something like,"I feel that Nathan is being impersonated by some random troll. I am HIGHLY skeptical that Karen Nathan who joined today is Nathan."
Oncedear was right. It was an Imposter posing as me. I was WORKING at the time the Imposter showed up, so I was definitely not on the Internet. During my break, I checked WOV and I saw that "A new Poster ," Karen Nathan was in red. Oncedear said something like,"I know that Nathan was, in fact being impersonated by the Karen Nathan Troll. Karen Nathan who showed up today was NOT the real Nathan and the Impersonator is already permanently banned from WOV." 💡
An Impersonator for Mdawg got him temporarily permanently banned when he was already on like day 113 of a 120 day Suspension. Mdawg's Imposter wrote a couple of posts pretending to be Mdawg and Mdawg was temporarily permanently banned, but Posters rallied for Mdawg's permanent banning to be lifted as they felt Mdawg was being Impersonated.
The Posters pointed out that Mdawg was driving through two different States at the time, so he definitely wasn't on the Internet. Mdawg himself questioned WHY would he risk getting a permanent banning on day 113 of a 120 day Suspension.
Posters added,"So, does this mean that some Troll can post like Axelwolf when Axelwolf is on a Suspension and Axelwolf will automatically be permanently banned with absolutely no investigating, proof, or evidence? 😵💫 There was an investigation for Mdawg's case and it was found out that some random troll had been impersonating Mdawg on multiple Websites, not just WOV and Mdawg's permanent banning was reversed..💡
Quote: odiousgambitStill has at least one website out there
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I am redacting this URL to be consistent with precedent.
Quote: MDawgIs that where the expression "impostured" came from?
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I looked up impostured and spell check flagged it for me too. 💡🤔What we ACTUALLY should have said was,"Impersonating," according to Google, an Imposter pretends to be a FICTIONAL person like if you claimed you were Luke Skywalker from Star Wars but Impersonating would be if you falsely claimed you were a real life person like falsely claiming you are Mark Hamill. 💡🤔
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Oncedear asked me if I was Karen Nathan that joined that day. I responded I wasn't Karen Nathan who joined that day and I wasn't even on the Internet when the Karen Nathan Imposter showed up. Oncedear responded something like,"I KNEW that the Karen Nathan Imposter wasn't you, thanks for clarifying. 💡
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Karen,
It looks like you might be paraphrasing personal communications with me. We don't do that, remember.
As to this new member. Pretty obviously not Karen.
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Oncedear asked me if I was Karen Nathan that joined that day. I responded I wasn't Karen Nathan who joined that day and I wasn't even on the Internet when the Karen Nathan Imposter showed up. Oncedear responded something like,"I KNEW that the Karen Nathan Imposter wasn't you, thanks for clarifying. 💡
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Karen,
It looks like you might be paraphrasing personal communications with me. We don't do that, remember.
As to this new member. Pretty obviously not Karen.
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I JUST edited my post. I apologize for what I originally posted.
💡 Also, thank you for standing up for me against the Sarahfrommiami Sock accusations. 😀
Quote: MDawgJust because you don't understand the term "quote" is not my fault.
You quoted an 80-90% figure and ascribed it to me. Same thing you did four years ago, except then you said 80%.
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The Wolf and I cannot come to terms as to this, so we request mutual suspension.
At the same time however, there has been talk for about three years now about the "new, more liberal rules at WOV" in which case according to such liberality, I can't see how any of this is actionable on either side.
And now you are realaying private conversations.Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawgJust because you don't understand the term "quote" is not my fault.
You quoted an 80-90% figure and ascribed it to me. Same thing you did four years ago, except then you said 80%.
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The Wolf and I cannot come to terms as to this, so we request mutual suspension.
At the same time however, there has been talk for about three years now about the "new, more liberal rules at WOV" in which case according to such liberality, I can't see how any of this is actionable on either side.
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If that's the case, why was I suspended not too long ago for some nonsense?
FYI, I did not request mutual suspension.Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawgJust because you don't understand the term "quote" is not my fault.
You quoted an 80-90% figure and ascribed it to me. Same thing you did four years ago, except then you said 80%.
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The Wolf and I cannot come to terms as to this, so we request mutual suspension.
Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawgJust because you don't understand the term "quote" is not my fault.
You quoted an 80-90% figure and ascribed it to me. Same thing you did four years ago, except then you said 80%.
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The Wolf and I cannot come to terms as to this, so we request mutual suspension.
At the same time however, there has been talk for about three years now about the "new, more liberal rules at WOV" in which case according to such liberality, I can't see how any of this is actionable on either side.
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Private messages are intended to be private.
Call it a week.
Quote: DieterQuote: MDawgQuote: MDawgJust because you don't understand the term "quote" is not my fault.
You quoted an 80-90% figure and ascribed it to me. Same thing you did four years ago, except then you said 80%.
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The Wolf and I cannot come to terms as to this, so we request mutual suspension.
At the same time however, there has been talk for about three years now about the "new, more liberal rules at WOV" in which case according to such liberality, I can't see how any of this is actionable on either side.
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Private messages are intended to be private.
Call it a week.
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How many Krispy Kreme donuts did you devour before you made that decision. Moderators should not be allowed to hand out punishments when they're on a sugar high.
Quote: EvenBobQuote: DieterQuote: MDawgQuote: MDawgJust because you don't understand the term "quote" is not my fault.
You quoted an 80-90% figure and ascribed it to me. Same thing you did four years ago, except then you said 80%.
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The Wolf and I cannot come to terms as to this, so we request mutual suspension.
At the same time however, there has been talk for about three years now about the "new, more liberal rules at WOV" in which case according to such liberality, I can't see how any of this is actionable on either side.
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Private messages are intended to be private.
Call it a week.
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How many Krispy Kreme donuts did you devour before you made that decision. Moderators should not be allowed to hand out punishments when they're on a sugar high.
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Haven't had any donuts in a while.
I may have had some hard candies earlier.
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I may have had some hard candies earlier.
I prefer the root beer barrels over the butterscotch disks.
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I may have had some hard candies earlier.
I prefer the root beer barrels over the butterscotch disks.
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I tell the kids they're mine, since they say Dad's on the wrapper.
Quote: MDawgThe Wolf and I cannot come to terms as to this, so we request mutual suspension.
At the same time however, there has been talk for about three years now about the "new, more liberal rules at WOV" in which case according to such liberality, I can't see how any of this is actionable on either side.
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Quote: EvenBobQuote: DieterPrivate messages are intended to be private.
Call it a week.
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How many Krispy Kreme donuts did you devour before you made that decision. Moderators should not be allowed to hand out punishments when they're on a sugar high.
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Would have to agree that this decision made little sense.
A.Wolf can't claim a breach of confidentiality if he is DENYING that the contents of his PM had ANYTHING to do with what I posted in public. How can I be suspended for a WEEK for violating the confidence of a PM if A.Wolf is jumping up and down and saying he never said that?
I can't see how A.Wolf may BOTH deny that he agreed to or requested a mutual suspension via PM, AND at the same time claim a breach of confidence as to disclosure of a PM. I mean all I wrote was "we request mutual suspension" and obviously if I had changed the word we to I it would not have been actionable.
The "cannot come to terms" had nothing to do with any PM, was a plain statement of fact.
Disclosure of the contents of a PM is what is actionable, not just obliquely referencing that Joe Blow and I exchanged a PM, or do exchange PMs on occasion.
But if the word "we" DID make it actionable per Dieter then that means I must have disclosed the contents of a PM, BUT if A.Wolf claims that he never agreed to a mutual suspension then I could not have been referencing ANY PM at all.
It can't be both:
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A.Wolf can't claim a breach of confidentiality if he is DENYING that the contents of his PM had ANYTHING to do with what I posted in public. How can I be suspended for a WEEK for violating the confidence of a PM if A.Wolf is jumping up and down and saying he never said that?...
Interesting principle. If you are accused of revealing a PM, you can't prove it isn't so, any more than I can prove I didn't kill anyone last week. And the only way your accuser can prove (sort of) that you revealed a PM is to himself reveal the PM.
Maybe the suspension rules should include some approximation of the traditional US judicial rights and the rules of evidence that proceed from them, that reduce the chances of such paradoxes.
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A.Wolf can't claim a breach of confidentiality if he is DENYING that the contents of his PM had ANYTHING to do with what I posted in public. How can I be suspended for a WEEK for violating the confidence of a PM if A.Wolf is jumping up and down and saying he never said that?...
Interesting principle. If you are accused of revealing a PM, you can't prove it isn't so, any more than I can prove I didn't kill anyone last week. And the only way your accuser can prove (sort of) that you revealed a PM is to himself reveal the PM.
Maybe the suspension rules should include some approximation of the traditional US judicial rights and the rules of evidence that proceed from them, that reduce the chances of such paradoxes.
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I presented some evidence and some of my argument to the person in charge of this matter, and they made their decision despite your counterarguments, complaints, and objections.Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawgThe Wolf and I cannot come to terms as to this, so we request mutual suspension.
At the same time however, there has been talk for about three years now about the "new, more liberal rules at WOV" in which case according to such liberality, I can't see how any of this is actionable on either side.
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Call it a week.
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How many Krispy Kreme donuts did you devour before you made that decision. Moderators should not be allowed to hand out punishments when they're on a sugar high.
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Would have to agree that this decision made little sense.
A.Wolf can't claim a breach of confidentiality if he is DENYING that the contents of his PM had ANYTHING to do with what I posted in public. How can I be suspended for a WEEK for violating the confidence of a PM if A.Wolf is jumping up and down and saying he never said that?
I can't see how A.Wolf may BOTH deny that he agreed to or requested a mutual suspension via PM, AND at the same time claim a breach of confidence as to disclosure of a PM. I mean all I wrote was "we request mutual suspension" and obviously if I had changed the word we to I it would not have been actionable.
The "cannot come to terms" had nothing to do with any PM, was a plain statement of fact.
Disclosure of the contents of a PM is what is actionable, not just obliquely referencing that Joe Blow and I exchanged a PM, or do exchange PMs on occasion.
But if the word "we" DID make it actionable per Dieter then that means I must have disclosed the contents of a PM, BUT if A.Wolf claims that he never agreed to a mutual suspension then I could not have been referencing ANY PM at all.
It can't be both:
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Even attorneys sometimes lose to self-represented opposition.
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despite your counterarguments, complaints, and objections.
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Obviously you are referring to private conversations my "counterarguments, complaints, and objections."
Nope, I am confidently assuming you made those given my own personal observations of how I believe you react to things, and what you have said in this thread including what you just said previously.Quote: MDawgQuote: AxelWolfto the person in charge
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despite your counterarguments, complaints, and objections.
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Obviously you are referring to private conversations my "counterarguments, complaints, and objections."
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I do not have any information from anyone via private messages/ information that said you made a counterargument, complaint, or objections.
To me this is in fact your counterarguments, complaints, and objections. But I'm not an attorney or English major, so you are free to argue my incorrect wording, and as you indicated previously, I only skim posts.Quote: MDawgQuote: MDawgThe Wolf and I cannot come to terms as to this, so we request mutual suspension.
At the same time however, there has been talk for about three years now about the "new, more liberal rules at WOV" in which case according to such liberality, I can't see how any of this is actionable on either side.
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Call it a week.
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How many Krispy Kreme donuts did you devour before you made that decision. Moderators should not be allowed to hand out punishments when they're on a sugar high.
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Would have to agree that this decision made little sense.
A.Wolf can't claim a breach of confidentiality if he is DENYING that the contents of his PM had ANYTHING to do with what I posted in public. How can I be suspended for a WEEK for violating the confidence of a PM if A.Wolf is jumping up and down and saying he never said that?
I can't see how A.Wolf may BOTH deny that he agreed to or requested a mutual suspension via PM, AND at the same time claim a breach of confidence as to disclosure of a PM. I mean all I wrote was "we request mutual suspension" and obviously if I had changed the word we to I it would not have been actionable.
The "cannot come to terms" had nothing to do with any PM, was a plain statement of fact.
Disclosure of the contents of a PM is what is actionable, not just obliquely referencing that Joe Blow and I exchanged a PM, or do exchange PMs on occasion.
But if the word "we" DID make it actionable per Dieter then that means I must have disclosed the contents of a PM, BUT if A.Wolf claims that he never agreed to a mutual suspension then I could not have been referencing ANY PM at all.
It can't be both:
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Quote: AxelWolfI presented some evidence and some of my argument to the person in charge of this matter, and they made their decision despite your counterarguments, complaints, and objections.
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This clearly refers to what happened last week, during my suspension, and references private conversations.
"I presented" ... "and they made their decision" ... "despite your counterarguments, complaints, and objections."
For you to argue otherwise is demeaning to yourself.
