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July 10th, 2018 at 3:07:02 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

I'm not gonna click on a link to Breitbart. Sorry.



Afraid that you may learn something that does not fit your narrative or talking points?

Try this link:

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/trump-supporters-attacks-violence-hatred-media-bias/
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July 10th, 2018 at 3:15:52 PM permalink
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Its a gun culture problem.
Too many guns. Too easy to get
Only in the USA do we have a school massacre problem
Other countries don't have this school massacre problem. Just the USA. Telling


Please enlighten us, do guns cause people to go crazy?

Take a gun and put it on the kitchen table in front of you (or pretend, if you don't have one). Other than being scared of the gun, does it bring up any feelings, emotions, thoughts, or ideas? Does it make you go insane? Does it make you want to go shoot up a school?
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July 10th, 2018 at 3:20:21 PM permalink
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Please enlighten us, do guns cause people to go crazy?

Take a gun and put it on the kitchen table in front of you (or pretend, if you don't have one). Other than being scared of the gun, does it bring up any feelings, emotions, thoughts, or ideas? Does it make you go insane? Does it make you want to go shoot up a school?

I bet he's trying to figure out how to smoke some pot out if it.
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July 10th, 2018 at 3:21:20 PM permalink
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It isn't like President Obama handed Ancient Orange a perfect society and it all went to pieces in 18 months....



While I definitely agree that it's absurd to expect any president to solve all the problems that have lingered for decades, I do think that said president shouldn't make things worse. Vaguely calling for your political opponent's assassination isn't exactly the best place to start, wouldn't you agree?
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July 10th, 2018 at 3:42:41 PM permalink
Quote: RS


Take a gun and put it on the kitchen table in front of you (or pretend, if you don't have one). Other than being scared of the gun, does it bring up any feelings, emotions, thoughts, or ideas? Does it make you go insane? Does it make you want to go shoot up a school?



Yes, pretty sure they do! You nailed it.

The Israeli state actually has a "well-regulated militia."

Quote:

The Israeli state deigns to grant its citizens permission to carry firearms as part of a multi-layered national security strategy that sees a carefully selected and even more carefully regulated cadre of armed citizens as one of several lines of defense against terror attacks, the American state isn’t even allowed the ability to reliably know which Americans are armed, or with what.

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July 10th, 2018 at 3:45:25 PM permalink
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It isn't like President Obama handed Ancient Orange a perfect society and it all went to pieces in 18 months....



Ancient Orange.... that’s funny.
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July 10th, 2018 at 10:36:35 PM permalink
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/05/more-than-a-third-of-chinese-millionaires-want-to-leave-china.html?recirc=taboolainternal

Now here is the kind of immigration we need more of. Quality individuals who will come with assets to invest in our country.

I’m assuming most are not sneaking in over the border through Mexico.
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July 11th, 2018 at 3:48:02 AM permalink
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Now here is the kind of immigration we need more of.



A family member has a Regional Center designation from Immigration Services, and is in the business of helping Chinese investors secure permanent visas through the EB-5 Investor Regional Center Program.

The EB-5 is given to qualified foreign investors willing to invest a minimum of $500k in commercial enterprise, and plan to create at least ten full time jobs for US Workers.

I am told, Jared Kushner also has a Regional Center designation.
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July 11th, 2018 at 6:35:51 AM permalink
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https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/05/more-than-a-third-of-chinese-millionaires-want-to-leave-china.html?recirc=taboolainternal

Now here is the kind of immigration we need more of. Quality individuals who will come with assets to invest in our country.

I’m assuming most are not sneaking in over the border through Mexico.



Duh!

They are using the cargo hold of ocean liners
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July 11th, 2018 at 8:02:40 AM permalink
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Quote: lilredrooster

a 91 year old Latino man, a U.S. citizen, was beaten with a brick by a woman on the 4th of July in L.A and told to go back to his country. Trump's collateral damage.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/09/woman-beats-a-91-year-old-mexican-man-with-a-brick-tells-him-to-go-back-to-your-country/?utm_term=.af4edf0c5832

There's something off about this story.


It sounds like some kind of con job to me.



Laquisha Jones arrested
https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/laquisha-jones/
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July 11th, 2018 at 8:04:25 AM permalink
Quote: Fleaswatter

Afraid that you may learn something that does not fit your narrative or talking points? ...

Not at all. Just don't want uninformed and factually incorrect information spread... PolitiFact rating, Liars. Almost all False, Mostly False, or Pants on Fire liars... http://www.politifact.com/search/?q=Breitbart

lol - nearly ALL "Pants on Fire" lies: http://www.politifact.com/search/?q=Breitbart%20Headlines


Breitbart is, and should be, a shunned "entertainment source" that spreads false information and propaganda.
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July 11th, 2018 at 9:23:54 AM permalink
A big dog just took a dump in my front yard. That never happened when Obama was president. DAMN RUSSIANS
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July 11th, 2018 at 9:38:28 AM permalink
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Londoners who hate Trump will be protesting his visit next week by flying an angry baby Trump balloon over the city
there is also a campaign to make the song entitled "American Idiot" which refers to Trump the no. 1 song on the charts



That would be great to make that song #1 as it is a song about Americans blindly following whatever the mass media tells them to
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July 11th, 2018 at 11:14:37 AM permalink
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Quote: AxelWolf

Quote: lilredrooster

a 91 year old Latino man, a U.S. citizen, was beaten with a brick by a woman on the 4th of July in L.A and told to go back to his country. Trump's collateral damage.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2018/07/09/woman-beats-a-91-year-old-mexican-man-with-a-brick-tells-him-to-go-back-to-your-country/?utm_term=.af4edf0c5832

There's something off about this story.


It sounds like some kind of con job to me.



Laquisha Jones arrested
https://heavy.com/news/2018/07/laquisha-jones/

Thanks for quoting that post and not the post were soon after I said this.
Quote: AxelWolf

I went back and reread the story since something didn't seem right. Somehow I imagined they were claiming some soccer mom started busting on some old guy, but I somehow missed a key part of this story. Now, I do believe it possibly happened as stated.

Apparently I was not the only one who was confused.

Not sure if this is accurate but I took notice to this tweet.
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CNN didn't even mention the race of the attackers in their column in the early morning. The link was tweeted out by Shaun King. When he discovered the attackers were black 5 minutes later, activist Talcum X deleted the tweet!
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July 11th, 2018 at 11:16:13 AM permalink
Quote: dogqck

A big dog just took a dump in my front yard. That never happened when Obama was president. DAMN RUSSIANS

That cracked me up.
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July 11th, 2018 at 12:59:45 PM permalink
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A big dog just took a dump in my front yard. That never happened when Obama was president. DAMN RUSSIANS



Why the heck would you let Sarah Huckabee anywhere near your front yard???
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July 11th, 2018 at 1:03:38 PM permalink
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Why the heck would you let Sarah Huckabee anywhere near your front yard???

Hey hey hey low blow... he said big dog... he didn't say LYING big dog. You're just assuming things now...
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July 11th, 2018 at 1:13:50 PM permalink
Since the feces is still on my lawn, it definitely was not Hillary, She is a well known Coprophagic.
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July 12th, 2018 at 7:09:18 AM permalink
Is this Barack's legacy?

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July 12th, 2018 at 9:47:58 AM permalink
Quote: dogqck

A big dog just took a dump in my front yard. That never happened when Obama was president. DAMN RUSSIANS



Probably couldn't afford to have a house with a yard when Obama was President
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July 12th, 2018 at 9:55:57 AM permalink
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Probably couldn't afford to have a house with a yard when Obama was President



If you think real estate is cheaper now than when Obama was President, I've got some news for ya......
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July 12th, 2018 at 10:07:54 AM permalink
I don’t know why seeing Manafort’s mugshot brings me such joy, it just does....

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July 12th, 2018 at 10:36:06 AM permalink
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If you think real estate is cheaper now than when Obama was President, I've got some news for ya......



...maybe he is saying that housing is affordable because more people are getting better jobs now than before...

A recent article said that the economy is giving more people the feeling of security to leave their jobs for ones that are better paying.
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July 12th, 2018 at 10:40:15 AM permalink
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...maybe he is saying that housing is affordable because more people are getting better jobs now than before...



#thanksObama
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July 12th, 2018 at 10:44:42 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

I don’t know why seeing Manafort’s mugshot brings me such joy, it just does....



Trophy pic?
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July 12th, 2018 at 11:15:51 AM permalink
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#thanksObama



I purposely didn't credit either President Obama or President Trump for the economy improving in my post. I don't think either is completely responsible. I think the economy improved under President Obama, but that it would have never stayed where it was when he took office no matter who was elected at that point. It was due to rebound; our economy does run in cycles.

I do think that President Trump has inspired more confidence in the economy. I don't think President Obama inspired as much confidence for whatever reason...
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July 12th, 2018 at 11:22:09 AM permalink
So an FBI agent texts on his FBI-owned phone and somehow thinks there is no chance his texts would ever become public?

I am NOT commenting on the investigation or the hearing today overall; I am only wondering why someone in that position thinks that a communication device owned by the government, his employer, won't somehow be checked out by that employer or others in an investigation.
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July 12th, 2018 at 11:50:11 AM permalink
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So an FBI agent texts on his FBI-owned phone and somehow thinks there is no chance his texts would ever become public?



Think about it
What are the odds?
A gazillion govt employees. How many of these employees texts have been made public? 2 out of a gazilion
Pretty long odds. Getting hit by lightning odds

I text on company owned equipment everyday
Most is business related but some is personal
What are the odds that these texts become public on equipment I don't own
1 in 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
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July 12th, 2018 at 12:22:46 PM permalink
Quote: terapined

Think about it
What are the odds?
A gazillion govt employees. How many of these employees texts have been made public? 2 out of a gazilion
Pretty long odds. Getting hit by lightning odds

I text on company owned equipment everyday
Most is business related but some is personal
What are the odds that these texts become public on equipment I don't own
1 in 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000



He is an FBI agent. He investigates people all the time; I am sure getting into texts and phone messages of the subjects of those investigations is part of that process.

If you are in a position of authority investigating very serious matters, possibly ones that could lead to the indictment and conviction of Senator Clinton AND/OR the impeachment and removal office of President Trump, you should be smart enough to realize that any actions on your part can (and probably will) come under scrutiny.

You should be smart enough to keep your private communications private and your work product on your work devices.

As should everyone...one chance in a trillion is not "no chance"...
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July 12th, 2018 at 12:40:53 PM permalink
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You should be smart enough to keep your private communications private and your work product on your work devices.

As should everyone...one chance in a trillion is not "no chance"...




All people should at least stay away from inappropriate work conversation for sure. I don't really care if someone makes infrequent AND SHORT calls for some sort of message that can't really wait until later. Though I'd also be fine if whatever government or agency decided to send bills for personal phone use if they really want to. Probably should in fact.
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July 12th, 2018 at 12:59:26 PM permalink
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... As should everyone...one chance in a trillion is not "no chance"...

Acccccctually, in "general" in the scientific community, anything past 4 decimal places is considered irrelevant. Of course this doesn't include outliers such as upper level projects like launching a rocket in to space, etc, etc. But in general, yes, that's pretty well considered "no chance" by even science measures.
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July 12th, 2018 at 1:04:22 PM permalink
All the GOP members of this committee should be forced to submit *their* texts about Donald Trump that were sent during the 2016 election for the public record.

That'd be a hoot! (And I'm sure a lot of them were rougher on Donald than Strzok's ever were...)
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July 12th, 2018 at 1:15:38 PM permalink
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All the GOP members of this committee should be forced to submit *their* texts about Donald Trump that were sent during the 2016 election for the public record.



Oh, that would be cruel. But not in a bad way.
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July 12th, 2018 at 1:19:36 PM permalink
Quote: Romes

Acccccctually, in "general" in the scientific community, anything past 4 decimal places is considered irrelevant. Of course this doesn't include outliers such as upper level projects like launching a rocket in to space, etc, etc. But in general, yes, that's pretty well considered "no chance" by even science measures.



I guess that is a great answer for a math-oriented board, but we are talking about a public employee intimately involved with two (or more) high-level investigations with national implications and, as a topper, a tawdry little affair on the side!

There was a chance. They did get his texts.
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July 12th, 2018 at 1:25:51 PM permalink
I get reminded, via email, every day that the sky is indeed falling.

You can imagine which side I get the most emails from, but I am on enough lists that I get plenty from both.

The sky isn't falling, it isn't the end of the world, and, no matter your view on President Trump or Senator Clinton, the USA will still be around after this election...and the next one...and so on...

...and we'll probably still have 50 states for a while...
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July 12th, 2018 at 1:27:49 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

All the GOP members of this committee should be forced to submit *their* texts about Donald Trump that were sent during the 2016 election for the public record.

That'd be a hoot! (And I'm sure a lot of them were rougher on Donald than Strzok's ever were...)



Somebody just did the equivalent for the record. He asked Stzor or however it's spelled, to answer yes or no to each quote. He then read about a dozen statements negative to Trump, the guy answered no, then the member said "that's correct, you didn't " and named the Republican member in each case who did.

It was pretty entertaining.

This whole testimony has been a complete goat-rope of nastiness among the Congressman. Screaming and shouting, insults flying, etc. It's really something.
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July 12th, 2018 at 1:44:33 PM permalink
We already knew Sacha Baron Cohen had tricked Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, and Joe Walsh into interviews for his new Showtime series.

Now we learn he also interviewed Roy Moore. Imagine all the horrible things he got Moore to say.....!

MUST. SEE. TV.

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July 12th, 2018 at 4:00:49 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

All people should at least stay away from inappropriate work conversation for sure. I don't really care if someone makes infrequent AND SHORT calls for some sort of message that can't really wait until later. Though I'd also be fine if whatever government or agency decided to send bills for personal phone use if they really want to. Probably should in fact.

And also deduct from their paycheck the time spent on personal matters.
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July 12th, 2018 at 6:21:16 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

We already knew Sacha Baron Cohen had tricked Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, and Joe Walsh into interviews for his new Showtime series.

Now we learn he also interviewed Roy Moore. Imagine all the horrible things he got Moore to say.....!

MUST. SEE. TV.



There is a special place in hell for SBC where you are gang raped nightly by oversized BBC.

Obviously SBC is not a member here and most members don’t believe there is a hell. And I am assuming there are no members here who think of this as a fantasy.

So since bashing Trump and Republicans is open season here, I assume it OK to make generic claims about legal sex acts between 2 men, obviously with no members in good standing here in mind.
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July 12th, 2018 at 7:16:09 PM permalink
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There is a special place in hell for SBC where you are gang raped nightly by oversized BBC.

Obviously SBC is not a member here and most members don’t believe there is a hell. And I am assuming there are no members here who think of this as a fantasy.

So since bashing Trump and Republicans is open season here, I assume it OK to make generic claims about legal sex acts between 2 men, obviously with no members in good standing here in mind.



Well, I sure hope Cheney, Palin or Moore didn't say anything too embarrassing or offensive. Kind of reminds me when Trump told Billy Bush where he likes to grab women.
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July 12th, 2018 at 8:44:01 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

I assume it OK to make generic claims about legal sex acts between 2 men, obviously with no members in good standing here in mind.



You make it sound like there's something wrong with that....
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July 12th, 2018 at 8:54:00 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Quote: ams288

We already knew Sacha Baron Cohen had tricked Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, and Joe Walsh into interviews for his new Showtime series.

Now we learn he also interviewed Roy Moore. Imagine all the horrible things he got Moore to say.....!

MUST. SEE. TV.



There is a special place in hell for SBC where you are gang raped nightly by oversized BBC.

Obviously SBC is not a member here and most members don’t believe there is a hell. And I am assuming there are no members here who think of this as a fantasy.

So since bashing Trump and Republicans is open season here, I assume it OK to make generic claims about legal sex acts between 2 men, obviously with no members in good standing here in mind.



Only if you can demonstrate they were indeed acting

What if they were not sex acts but actually for real

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July 13th, 2018 at 5:09:23 AM permalink
The giant balloon of "Baby Trump" that was supposed to "soar" high above London LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL




More LOLOLOLOLOL - YUUUUGE protest




LOLOLOLOL

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July 13th, 2018 at 5:18:27 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

We already knew Sacha Baron Cohen had tricked Sarah Palin, Dick Cheney, and Joe Walsh into interviews for his new Showtime series.

Now we learn he also interviewed Roy Moore. Imagine all the horrible things he got Moore to say.....!



Update: Sheriff Joe Arpaio also said he was tricked into an interview.

Sarah Palin also lashed out at Sacha on Facebook. Saying he impersonated a wounded vet during their interview.

The character Sacha is portraying responded with this:



Effing brilliant.
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July 13th, 2018 at 5:39:01 AM permalink
You have to love folks who protest a bluster-filled US President and don't bother protesting hideous dictators that torture and kill folks under their power that disagree with them...

...and a media that completely ignores that President Trump, ahead of a visit to Putin, tried to hurt Putin's economy by telling Germany they were stupid to depend on Russia (a country NATO is protecting them from) for 70% of their natural gas supply.

Some of his comments about Putin may be friendly, but I don't consider trying to get a country to not spend money buying their product exactly a "friendly" act.
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July 13th, 2018 at 6:10:49 AM permalink
Quote: RonC

You have to love folks who protest a bluster-filled US President and don't bother protesting hideous dictators that torture and kill folks under their power that disagree with them...

...and a media that completely ignores that President Trump, ahead of a visit to Putin, tried to hurt Putin's economy by telling Germany they were stupid to depend on Russia (a country NATO is protecting them from) for 70% of their natural gas supply.

Some of his comments about Putin may be friendly, but I don't consider trying to get a country to not spend money buying their product exactly a "friendly" act.



You most likely are not good at chess either

Sacrificing some sales (BTW - again Trump has lied. Germany only gets 9% of their natural gas supply from Russia) in order to tear apart Nato

Speaking of ridiculous Trump numbers he just stated that he doubled (and tripled) our GDP in one year

Do you believe that?

Hint: its not even possible
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July 13th, 2018 at 6:47:03 AM permalink
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You most likely are not good at chess either



It is always nice to have a tiny insult thrown your way...I guess that somehow makes your statement more forceful in your mind; who knows...

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Sacrificing some sales (BTW - again Trump has lied. Germany only gets 9% of their natural gas supply from Russia) in order to tear apart Nato



"Trump renewed the long-standing U.S. criticism of the project on Wednesday, and doubled down by tying it to the future of NATO. “Germany, as far as I’m concerned, is captive to Russia because it’s getting so much of its energy from Russia,” Trump told NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg, speaking on camera. “We have to talk about the billions and billions of dollars that’s being paid to the country we’re supposed to be protecting you against.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/07/11/the-russian-pipeline-to-germany-that-trump-is-so-mad-about-explained/?utm_term=.bc35d8c731bf

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Speaking of ridiculous Trump numbers he just stated that he doubled (and tripled) our GDP in one year



Just like then-Senator Obama told us there were 57 states, people do make mistakes. GDP growth was doubled between January 2016 and January 2018.

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Do you believe that?



I believe there was a misstatement of the numbers.

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Hint: its not even possible



Well, I'll be...I am so glad you clued me in on that!!! I would have never thought of that myself! Geez...to think...if I didn't have you around to toss such little hostile gems around, just what the heck would I do?
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July 13th, 2018 at 6:58:35 AM permalink
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Just like then-Senator Obama told us there were 57 states, people do make mistakes. GDP growth was doubled between January 2016 and January 2018.



OMFG - the righties are STILL going back to this decade-old gaffe from Obama. I always point out that that's the ONLY thing they point to when they try to argue he is dumb. Yes, it was a mistake.

Donald's inflated GDP claims were not a "mistake" - he was LYING. He always LIES*.

Righties, please resist the urge to counter this argument with Obama's "If you like your health plan, you can keep it..." like you always do. Time to get some new material.
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July 13th, 2018 at 7:08:57 AM permalink
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OMFG - the righties are STILL going back to this decade-old gaffe from Obama. I always point out that that's the ONLY thing they point to when they try to argue he is dumb. Yes, it was a mistake.



Dear Spaghetti Monster...there is a difference between using the Obama gaffe as an example and using it to attack Obama. It is an EXAMPLE of a politician making an error that is easy to remember and was only used in context. It was not an attack on Obama. I could have found others by politicians on both sides; that just one to came to mind as a quick example.

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Donald's inflated GDP claims were not a "mistake" - he was LYING. He always LIES.



You are just as funny as ever and still one of the main reasons I left here--you have no desire to converse about anything and you cannot even accept that someone who has lied before (and I have said that) might not be lying now... because it could not possibly have been a mistake and not a lie.

I've said it before to you directly and I will say it again--I am not as far to the right as you are to the left. I don't love any politician or party. I am conservative and there is nothing wrong with that. I get along with a lot of liberals live and in person; keyboard warriors tend to be a lot nastier than real people...real people can talk through things and come to some agreements.
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