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April 28th, 2018 at 2:17:06 PM permalink
I think Trump was used by the north Koreans.

NK needed to present a credible threat of war and destruction in order to get the kind of aid they want. Trump offering to "go nuclear" was just the kind of help they needed to get what they want.
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April 28th, 2018 at 3:27:02 PM permalink
Getting rid of nuclear (or wmd's) is not the only risk Kim would face in possibly be overthrown. If his people smell freedom too much, they may get more tempted to scratch. Look at the Arab Spring; it may not of resulted in much democracy but there was a lot of toppling of power and certainly plenty of attacks on the status quo.
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April 28th, 2018 at 5:30:32 PM permalink
Trump is live from MI. He's such a
captivating speaker, you can't stop
watching. No notes, no prompter,
all on the spot conversation talking
to the people. Remarkable.

I actually teared up when he talked
about Chrysler bringing back 2500
jobs to Detroit. I remember when
Detroit was the powerhouse of the
world. And when he talked about
my MI city, that he came to the day
before the election, unplanned.

32,000 people showed up, with
thousands more that couldn't get in.
And the crowd went nuts for Trump,
people I know who were there still
talk about it.

Trump says when they left, on the plane
he told people 'who says we're going
to lose in MI. Did that rally look like
a losing rally?'

And he won.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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April 28th, 2018 at 6:04:40 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

He's such a
captivating speaker


Most con-men are.
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April 28th, 2018 at 7:03:38 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Most con-men are.



All politicians are con men, but they're not
convincing speakers like Trump is. It feels
like he's talking to you, not at you. Like
he's having a conversation. I noticed
this long before I supported him, he's
very hard to turn away from.

I noticed it in Trump Tower when he
was stopped at an elevator in 2015.
He sounded like a confident boss,
like a leader, the guy who's in charge
and the buck stops with him. He
projects that alpha male gravitas and
it's impossible to ignore.
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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April 28th, 2018 at 7:57:24 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

All politicians are con men, but they're not
convincing speakers like Trump is. It feels
like he's talking to you, not at you. Like
he's having a conversation. I noticed
this long before I supported him, he's
very hard to turn away from.

I noticed it in Trump Tower when he
was stopped at an elevator in 2015.
He sounded like a confident boss,
like a leader, the guy who's in charge
and the buck stops with him. He
projects that alpha male gravitas and
it's impossible to ignore.

That's called a crush.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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April 28th, 2018 at 8:14:10 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

All politicians are con men, but they're not
convincing speakers like Trump is. It feels
like he's talking to you, not at you. Like
he's having a conversation. I noticed
this long before I supported him, he's
very hard to turn away from.

I noticed it in Trump Tower when he
was stopped at an elevator in 2015.
He sounded like a confident boss,
like a leader, the guy who's in charge
and the buck stops with him. He
projects that alpha male gravitas and
it's impossible to ignore.



Are you certain you werent one of the hookers peeing on Trump?

You gush like someone who had a really good "quality" time with Mr. Trump
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April 28th, 2018 at 8:24:51 PM permalink
Looks like Trump has a challenger for 2020. No, it's not Hillary, sorry EB. It's not even a Democrat. It's a Republican/conservative.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bestselling-author-says-he-will-challenge-trump-in-2020/ar-AAwtvfj?ocid=spartanntp
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April 28th, 2018 at 8:29:18 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I actually teared up when he talked
about Chrysler bringing back 2500
jobs to Detroit.



lol
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April 28th, 2018 at 8:46:31 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I actually teared up when he talked
about Chrysler bringing back 2500
jobs to Detroit.



I'm sure you also cried a tear when after Bush left the economy in shambles back in 2008, Chrysler received a bailout to keep them afloat. I'm sure, then, you were happy that Obama got elected and saved the car industry because Mitt Romney was ready to let Detroit go bankrupt.
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April 28th, 2018 at 8:51:43 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

That's called a crush.



As in he crushed Hillary?I agree.
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April 28th, 2018 at 8:55:14 PM permalink
Quote: rxwine

Looks like Trump has a challenger for 2020.



Somebody has to throw themselves on
their sword and waste their time. It won't
be Fauxcahontas, she pulls an entire
baggage car behind her.
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April 28th, 2018 at 10:33:45 PM permalink
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/donald-trump-talks-like-a-third-grader-121340


As the dumpster says. he loves poorly educated people and it seems they still love him.
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April 29th, 2018 at 1:19:47 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/08/donald-trump-talks-like-a-third-grader-121340


As the dumpster says. he loves poorly educated people and it seems they still love him.


I don't get why people make a deal out of Trump saying he loves the poorly educated. I mean, I understand WHY they say it -- which is to make it seem like his intentions are bad. If you watch the speech where he says that, it seems to be more of acceptance of poorly educated than something like, "I love them because they're stupid and easy to trick."

The end of the article says not to misinterpret him speaking at a 3rd grade level (in some cases) as him having low intelligence. I think that's kinda funny, since most people read the article and probably think to themselves, "Hah! This is proof he's stupid!!"
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April 29th, 2018 at 4:57:06 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I don't get why people make a deal out of Trump saying he loves the poorly educated. I mean, I understand WHY they say it -- which is to make it seem like his intentions are bad. If you watch the speech where he says that, it seems to be more of acceptance of poorly educated than something like, "I love them because they're stupid and easy to trick."

The end of the article says not to misinterpret him speaking at a 3rd grade level (in some cases) as him having low intelligence. I think that's kinda funny, since most people read the article and probably think to themselves, "Hah! This is proof he's stupid!!"



No we just watch him phoning into Fox and Friends for proof hes stupid
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April 29th, 2018 at 5:03:47 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I don't get why people make a deal out of Trump saying he loves the poorly educated. I mean, I understand WHY they say it -- which is to make it seem like his intentions are bad. If you watch the speech where he says that, it seems to be more of acceptance of poorly educated than something like, "I love them because they're stupid and easy to trick."


I mean, I think that’s what he meant, but if that’s the case it was a terrible way to say “I will be there for everyone, reguardless of their education” because it comes off quite a bit like “I love stupid people cause they vote for me”.
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April 29th, 2018 at 7:25:02 AM permalink
I could watch this on a loop over and over again.



Sarah Huckabee Sanders is an awful human being. She deserves far worse than this. The fact that this morning the righties are claiming the comedian went too far is hilarious.
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April 29th, 2018 at 7:58:31 AM permalink
I thought it was a little too much, actually. I cringe watching it.
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April 29th, 2018 at 8:07:52 AM permalink
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I thought it was a little too much, actually. I cringe watching it.


I agree it wasn’t very funny. Although “What do you call an Uncle Tom for disappointing white women?” made me chuckle.

But it’s laughable that anyone thinks she crossed a line or went too far.

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April 29th, 2018 at 9:15:07 AM permalink
Quote: RS

I don't get why people make a deal out of Trump saying he loves the poorly educated. I mean, I understand WHY they say it -- which is to make it seem like his intentions are bad. If you watch the speech where he says that, it seems to be more of acceptance of poorly educated than something like, "I love them because they're stupid and easy to trick."

The end of the article says not to misinterpret him speaking at a 3rd grade level (in some cases) as him having low intelligence. I think that's kinda funny, since most people read the article and probably think to themselves, "Hah! This is proof he's stupid!!"


He speaks like that because of the audience he is trying to reach.
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April 29th, 2018 at 10:31:54 AM permalink
Quote: billryan

He speaks like that because of the audience he is trying to reach.



Exactly right. Every public speaker learns
the hard way that if you're speaking to
the general public, you reach far more
people by dumbing it down as much as
possible. That way the intelligent get it,
but so do the less intelligent. It's a way
politicians used to talk to crowds, it's
very appealing to average voters.
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April 29th, 2018 at 3:15:44 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

As in he crushed Hillary?I agree.



Losing the popular vote by over 3,000,000 and winning on a technicality is hardly a "crush." Even Trump himself said just days ago that the electoral college should be done away with.
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April 29th, 2018 at 3:18:21 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

All politicians are con men, but they're not
convincing speakers like Trump is. It feels
like he's talking to you, not at you. Like
he's having a conversation. I noticed
this long before I supported him, he's
very hard to turn away from.



Haha... That just makes him an even better con-man.

Quote:

the buck stops with him.



Wait... is this the same guy who never apologizes for anything and never admits any wrongdoing?
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April 29th, 2018 at 3:48:37 PM permalink
The Left is unglued squared over Kanye
saying he likes Trump. His wife, Kim
Kardashian, shrugs and says he talks
that way about Trump around the house
all the time, she's not surprised he came
out about it. Kanye hates that Blacks are
stereotyped and rubber stamped as
Dems. He says there's far more Black
supporters of Trump than anybody
imagines.
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April 29th, 2018 at 3:52:56 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

Losing the popular vote by over 3,000,000 and winning on a technicality is hardly a "crush." Even Trump himself said just days ago that the electoral college should be done away with.



Winning on a technicality? Oh, you mean that darned Constitution!
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April 29th, 2018 at 3:58:45 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Exactly right. Every public speaker learns
the hard way that if you're speaking to
the general public, you reach far more
people by dumbing it down as much as
possible. That way the intelligent get it,
but so do the less intelligent. It's a way
politicians used to talk to crowds, it's
very appealing to average voters.



Anyone who has taken Jounalism101 knows that if you write a general interest article you use a low grade level. This is because it makes it easy to read and understand. Nobody wants to have to overthink when they are consuming news, save the overthinking for work. IIRC the only news sources that write on even a high school reading level are very technical journals.

Speaking to a crowd is the same way. The speaker does not want the crowd to get lost thinking on what they are speaking on, they want them to get it and keep paying attention. In our time the one who probably most broke this idea was John Kerry. He was always trying to nuance positions and sound thoughtful. It never worked.
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April 29th, 2018 at 4:23:11 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Anyone who has taken Jounalism101 knows that if you write a general interest article you use a low grade level. This is because it makes it easy to read and understand. Nobody wants to have to overthink when they are consuming news, save the overthinking for work. IIRC the only news sources that write on even a high school reading level are very technical journals.

Speaking to a crowd is the same way. The speaker does not want the crowd to get lost thinking on what they are speaking on, they want them to get it and keep paying attention. In our time the one who probably most broke this idea was John Kerry. He was always trying to nuance positions and sound thoughtful. It never worked.



Yea how stupid of the New York Times
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April 29th, 2018 at 4:30:14 PM permalink
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Yea how stupid of the New York Times



Have you taken a college journalism course?
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April 29th, 2018 at 4:42:25 PM permalink
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Have you taken a college journalism course?



If you look at the history of newspaper
journalism, it didn't take off until they
dumbed it down to where everyone
could understand it. Hearst was genius
at this, and reviled by 'real' newspapers.
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April 29th, 2018 at 4:50:21 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

If you look at the history of newspaper
journalism, it didn't take off until they
dumbed it down to where everyone
could understand it. Hearst was genius
at this, and reviled by 'real' newspapers.



That is part of it, but we were taught that news needs to be an "easy read." I even remember an episode of the old show "Growing Pains" where the snooty daughter gets upset when the mother tries to explain it to her, even throwing the college "Beginning Journalism" book in the trash. Then the editor told her how bad it was and to make it simple to read.
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April 29th, 2018 at 4:51:14 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Anyone who has taken Jounalism101 knows that if you write a general interest article you use a low grade level. This is because it makes it easy to read and understand. Nobody wants to have to overthink when they are consuming news, save the overthinking for work. IIRC the only news sources that write on even a high school reading level are very technical journals.

Speaking to a crowd is the same way. The speaker does not want the crowd to get lost thinking on what they are speaking on, they want them to get it and keep paying attention. In our time the one who probably most broke this idea was John Kerry. He was always trying to nuance positions and sound thoughtful. It never worked.



Complete sentences would help.dispel the strong impression that he's a moron. They teach that in the low grade levels.

Laughable that he was whining last night about Tester propagating rumors.

1. More than a few Republicans on that committee said the same thing. Not to mention the rest of the Democrats. They were told what they were told. They would be derelict in their duty if they didn't try to get to the truth of it.

2. Nobody in the history of politics has told more lies, or said more disparaging things, about other people than Trump.

3. The TRUTH is that the Admiral was woefully unqualified for the post. If Trump had any real respect for veterans, which he constantly claims, he would have found someone who could actually lead that agency out of crisis mode. Instead, he cared so little he stuck his "buddy" in there. Meanwhile, more of thrm.are dying every day while the chaos goes unsorted.
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April 29th, 2018 at 5:42:56 PM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

That is part of it, but we were taught that news needs to be an "easy read." I even remember an episode of the old show "Growing Pains" where the snooty daughter gets upset when the mother tries to explain it to her, even throwing the college "Beginning Journalism" book in the trash. Then the editor told her how bad it was and to make it simple to read.



In Deadwood there's a scene where
Al is helping the newspaper editor
write an article about the coming
plague. The editor wants it to sound
like it was written by a Rhodes Scholar.
Al want's it written simply so the
Hoopleheads can understand it. Al won.

Hemingway changed fiction forever by
getting rid of the wordy flowery 19th
century writing style, and replacing it
it with a concise 'the fewer words the better'
style that lasts to this day. It was a huge
amount of work, using lots of words is
actually a very easy way to write.
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April 29th, 2018 at 5:50:28 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

The Left is unglued squared over Kanye
saying he likes Trump.



I thought conservatives didn't care what celebrities had to say about politics, yet they're obsessing over Kanye's tweets...
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April 29th, 2018 at 6:06:37 PM permalink
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I thought conservatives didn't care what celebrities had to say about politics, yet they're obsessing over Kanye's tweets...


And conservatives whined that Atheletes like Lebron and NFL players should stick to sports.

No mention that Kanye should stick to music.
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April 29th, 2018 at 6:22:11 PM permalink
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I thought conservatives didn't care what celebrities had to say about politics, yet they're obsessing over Kanye's tweets...



Noooo, it's the Lefts REACTION to Kanye, I
could care less which side he's on, the
fact that the Left cares so much is what's
entertaining. They're saying he lost his
mind, he's lost touch with reality. His
wife yawns and says, he's always talked
this way at home.

lol
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April 29th, 2018 at 6:26:43 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

And conservatives whined that Atheletes like Lebron and NFL players should stick to sports.

No mention that Kanye should stick to music.



A crazy ass dude who acts irrational a lot, loves Trump. It's a win win. For the Democrats.
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April 29th, 2018 at 6:45:44 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Noooo, it's the Lefts REACTION to Kanye, I
could care less which side he's on, the
fact that the Left cares so much is what's
entertaining. They're saying he lost his
mind, he's lost touch with reality. His
wife yawns and says, he's always talked
this way at home.



People have been saying Kanye is crazy for YEARS. This is nothing new.
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April 29th, 2018 at 6:54:51 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Noooo, it's the Lefts REACTION to Kanye, I
could care less which side he's on, the
fact that the Left cares so much is what's
entertaining. They're saying he lost his
mind, he's lost touch with reality. His
wife yawns and says, he's always talked
this way at home.

lol


Selective memory?

Conservatives lost their freaking minds over NFL players having an opinion.

Trump called for a boycott. Pence became the highest paid protester in American history.

Nothing even close to that coming from the left.
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April 29th, 2018 at 6:54:54 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Noooo, it's the Lefts REACTION to Kanye, I
could care less which side he's on, the
fact that the Left cares so much is what's
entertaining. They're saying he lost his
mind, he's lost touch with reality. His
wife yawns and says, he's always talked
this way at home.

lol


Selective memory?

Conservatives lost their freaking minds over NFL players having an opinion.

Trump called for a boycott. Pence became the highest paid protester in American history.

Nothing even close to that coming from the left.
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April 29th, 2018 at 7:09:17 PM permalink
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Conservatives lost their freaking minds over NFL players having an opinion.



You what makes zero sense about that whole situation?

NFL players were protesting the oppression of minorities in America.

Conservatives claim that they are the ones who support black people and minorities, and liberals are the "real racists," trying to "keep the black man down."

So why were Conservatives upset that NFL players were essentially siding with their supposed platform? They should have been SUPPORTING them from day one.

Furthermore, kneeling during the National Anthem was done as a sign of RESPECT, since Colin Kaepernick was told by a former Green Beret it would have been disrespectful to just sit there. Where's all the gung ho military support from the right?

And finally, why were Conservatives upset that NFL players were peacefully and quietly protesting, when Conservatives were often the ones calling out minorities for violently protesting and starting riots?
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April 29th, 2018 at 9:22:28 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

I thought conservatives didn't care what celebrities had to say about politics, yet they're obsessing over Kanye's tweets...



Unless it is Scott Adams, creator of Dilbert.

There is at least one conservative who appears to very much care what he thinks.
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April 29th, 2018 at 9:25:17 PM permalink
Quote: TigerWu

People have been saying Kanye is crazy for YEARS. This is nothing new.



So if he's crazy, why are they sooooo
upset? They act like his opinion is
very very important. What do they
care what a crazy guy thinks.
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April 29th, 2018 at 10:50:29 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

So if he's crazy, why are they sooooo
upset? They act like his opinion is
very very important. What do they
care what a crazy guy thinks.



Wait are you talking about the president?
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April 30th, 2018 at 1:09:57 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Wait are you talking about the president?



Kanye West. If he's so crazy, why
is the Left so upset over what he says.
They obviously put great stock in
his opinion, they're going nuts
over him supporting Trump.
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April 30th, 2018 at 2:12:26 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Have you taken a college journalism course?



At least eight of them.
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April 30th, 2018 at 2:20:16 AM permalink
Quote: TigerWu




And finally, why were Conservatives upset that NFL players were peacefully and quietly protesting, when Conservatives were often the ones calling out minorities for violently protesting and starting riots?



There is a time and a place, Let players act like asses on their own time. People paid to watch a game, not a protest.
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April 30th, 2018 at 2:26:10 AM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Wait are you talking about the president?



Then you should understand the concept we are saying here.


Quote: EvenBob


Hemingway changed fiction forever by
getting rid of the wordy flowery 19th
century writing style, and replacing it
it with a concise 'the fewer words the better'
style that lasts to this day. It was a huge
amount of work, using lots of words is
actually a very easy way to write.



I did a guest op-ed once as an industry expert replying to a newspaper article. When I called to request being able to reply they told me the word guideline, I forget now, bus say it was 1000 words. First thing I did was write all I wanted as I wanted, then checked the word count. I had to thin it by nearly half, and the thinning and editing took three or more times as long as just cranking out the first draft.

Made me understand the saying about "It took me longer because you wanted the article to be shorter."
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darkoz
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April 30th, 2018 at 4:09:23 AM permalink
Quote: AZDuffman

Then you should understand the concept we are saying here.




I did a guest op-ed once as an industry expert replying to a newspaper article. When I called to request being able to reply they told me the word guideline, I forget now, bus say it was 1000 words. First thing I did was write all I wanted as I wanted, then checked the word count. I had to thin it by nearly half, and the thinning and editing took three or more times as long as just cranking out the first draft.

Made me understand the saying about "It took me longer because you wanted the article to be shorter."



Guys

There are 2 simultaneous conversations going on the last few pages

Kanye west has some supposed power to enthrall dems

Journalism ethics

Please do not use my answer to one convo as the quoted proof of the other

Probably learned that one in journalism 101 as well i guess?
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April 30th, 2018 at 4:57:12 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Kanye West. If he's so crazy, why
is the Left so upset over what he says.
They obviously put great stock in
his opinion, they're going nuts
over him supporting Trump.


Crazy???????
yawn
Who is Kanye West??
I lean left and I don't even know who this guy is
Sounds like somebody to be ignored
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April 30th, 2018 at 5:17:24 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Crazy???????
yawn
Who is Kanye West??
I lean left and I don't even know who this guy is
Sounds like somebody to be ignored



I've hated Kayne for nearly a decade now. I'm glad he's a Trump supporter. Just another reason to ignore him.
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