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January 15th, 2019 at 5:24:45 PM permalink
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OMG. Bring Wackenhut back?? They were a huge disaster. Private security idiots is why that's now a federal job. Look it up.



New guidelines have been established since then. Private industry tends not to tolerate insubordination like the government and they pay their workers on time.
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January 15th, 2019 at 5:39:32 PM permalink


FWIW I think the fast food thing was hilarious and the news outlets that bothered to criticize it are pathetic
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January 15th, 2019 at 7:25:02 PM permalink
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Good!

The Dems have absolutely no reason to budge on this stupid wall. If Mexico ain’t paying, why should we?!

Poll after poll says many more people blame Trump for the shutdown (that he was “proud” to take ownership of) than the Dems.

Let his numbers suffer. Even Rasmussen has him down to like 43% approval, which in reality is like 33% because of how biased Rasmussen is (they actually predicted the GOP would have a +1% margin in November when in reality it turned out being Dems +9, LOL).



The longer the shut down lasts the more apparent it is that alot of these people are not needed.
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January 15th, 2019 at 11:31:23 PM permalink
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And yet, your side is STILL going on about Obama saying “if you like your health plan....” so many years ago.

Interesting how dismissive of political lies you get when the shoe is on the other foot.



Yes, each side uses the lies of the other as political weapon when they can, but we keep electing too many of the same turds every 2, 4, or 6 years.
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January 16th, 2019 at 4:49:07 AM permalink
same body language and facial expressions as Hitler
I think he may have studied Hitler as part of his political ambitions

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the foolish sayings of a rich man often pass for words of wisdom by the fools around him
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January 16th, 2019 at 5:18:08 AM permalink
Trump said he bought a thousand burgers and were piled a mile high.

Washington Post: Fact check - at 2 inches per burger, that’s 5,000 inches. Not 1 mile. Fake news.


Lololol you can’t make this s*** up!
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January 16th, 2019 at 5:41:40 AM permalink
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Trump said he bought a thousand burgers and were piled a mile high.



First he said 300 burgers. Then it was 1000.

He always does that.
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January 16th, 2019 at 5:47:59 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

First he said 300 burgers. Then it was 1000.

He always does that.



I give kudos to Trump for not serving Stolichnaya Vodka and Beluga Caviar from his bosses homeland :-)
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January 16th, 2019 at 6:26:03 AM permalink
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I give kudos to Trump for not serving Stolichnaya Vodka and Beluga Caviar from his bosses homeland :-)



It may end up being his homeland once he's out of office and he realizes he can't pardon himself and his family from NY state crimes...
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January 16th, 2019 at 6:32:06 AM permalink
Quote: ams288

First he said 300 burgers. Then it was 1000.

He always does that.



#FakeNews

It's berders not burgers.
Hmmm... Maybe it's really borders? Coincidence? You decide.
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January 16th, 2019 at 7:33:08 AM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

#FakeNews

It's berders not burgers.
Hmmm... Maybe it's really borders? Coincidence? You decide.



Maybe if you're from Boston. They mess with all the vowels.
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January 16th, 2019 at 8:10:52 AM permalink
So how is it that US servicemen were killed in Syria by ISIS when Trump announced that ISIS has been defeated? Trump lied AGAIN. I recommend multi-year inquiries and million dollar investigations to get to the bottom of this.
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January 16th, 2019 at 8:33:18 AM permalink
No paychecks for our Coast Guard brethren.
Nothing says Border Security like not paying the First Line defenders.
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January 16th, 2019 at 9:06:47 AM permalink
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Hopefully they can use this opportunity to cull the government workforce of all the unnecessary elements. Get the TSA out of the airports and turn it back over to private security. I have never hired a non essential employee in my entire work life. They need to pay anyone that is reporting for duty, bring back any others that actually do something, and issue the rest pink slips and send them to the unemployment office.



Based on my personal experience, I suspect you could jettison 20% to 25% of federal employees, increase by 10% to 15% the wages of those remaining, and wind up with a more efficient and motivated workforce while still saving on payroll.

The 20% to 25% (a conservative estimate that) would consist of your chronic underperformers who commit errors and create messes that competent employees then have to spend time correcting. These 20% to 25% can't be trusted to fix their own mistakes because they are ignorant of the basics of their job and unable/unwilling to learn them.

Part of that last sentence could apply to the subject of this thread. Though, like the notion to impeach him, my notion of a streamlined federal workforce will likely forever remain a pipe dream.
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January 16th, 2019 at 9:24:21 AM permalink
Quote: alteredstates

Based on my personal experience, I suspect you could jettison 20% to 25% of federal employees, increase by 10% to 15% the wages of those remaining, and wind up with a more efficient and motivated workforce while still saving on payroll.

The 20% to 25% (a conservative estimate that) would consist of your chronic underperformers who commit errors and create messes that competent employees then have to spend time correcting. These 20% to 25% can't be trusted to fix their own mistakes because they are ignorant of the basics of their job and unable/unwilling to learn them.

Part of that last sentence could apply to the subject of this thread. Though, like the notion to impeach him, my notion of a streamlined federal workforce will likely forever remain a pipe dream.



I read that they are in the process of calling some people back. Hopefully the good ones and not just doing it on seniority or something typical like that. Not really sure, but have also been reading about the Reduction In Force(RIF) rules. Would be wonderful if somehow this shutdown could be used to remove some of these entrenched incompetents.
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January 16th, 2019 at 10:09:55 AM permalink
Beto showed us him getting his teeth
cleaned, Fauxcahontas got down and
real by drinking a beer in her kitchen.
now Kamala Harris is making mix tapes
so we can all see how 'funky' and real
she is. Gag me with a fricking spoon,
these people are running for president?
Good god..

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January 16th, 2019 at 10:17:55 AM permalink
The loony rookie congresswoman from New York was just named to the Financial Services Committee.

Her first goal is to investigate if money doesn’t grow on trees, why do Banks have branches?
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January 16th, 2019 at 10:20:35 AM permalink
I think Democrats underestimated Trump's chances. It was a mistake.

Republicans shouldn't underestimate Kamala Harris. She's the real deal. And I honestly don't think they will. Those that know her know she's the real deal.
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January 16th, 2019 at 10:32:50 AM permalink
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Republicans shouldn't underestimate Kamala Harris. She's the real deal. And I honestly don't think they will. Those that know her know she's the real deal.



Oh, they're not underestimating her.

They're already busy making up stories about her sleeping her way to the top and sex tapes of her secret orgies.
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January 16th, 2019 at 10:34:34 AM permalink
Quote: Steverinos


Republicans shouldn't underestimate Kamala Harris. She's the real deal.



So you haven't heard her speak, then.
Or peeked in her closet full of rattling
skeletons. She's a peach, you'll see..
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January 16th, 2019 at 10:37:39 AM permalink
I have. I've also read her LIFT Act.

Don't know anything else about the skeletons or peaches you speak of.
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January 16th, 2019 at 10:48:28 AM permalink
People who do AP work should be more humble than the person cleaning the toilet bowl in the casino bathroom. Who is doing the most needed work for society?

Talk about jobs that aren't needed.
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January 16th, 2019 at 11:23:29 AM permalink
Pelosi really put Trump in a corner by demanding a delay to the State of the Union
If Trump does do the scheduled State of the Union, what will he say?
My opinion, the state of our Union really sucks
Will he ignore the shutdown and proclaim the State of the Union is the greatest ever?
I would not be surprised if the State of the Union speech is the same speech he gave from the WH on live TV regarding the wall
Got the popcorn out
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January 16th, 2019 at 11:26:21 AM permalink
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The loony rookie congresswoman from New York was just named to the Financial Services Committee.


Cool, elections have consequences
I don't trust Wall Street after they tanked the economy gambling on mortgages.
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January 16th, 2019 at 11:35:39 AM permalink
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Got the popcorn out




Quote: terapined

I don't trust Wall Street after they tanked the economy gambling on mortgages.




Buy some Orville Redenbacher stock (CAG) and make money off your plan.

Always be looking for opportunities!
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January 16th, 2019 at 11:39:12 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Pelosi really put Trump in a corner by demanding a delay to the State of the Union
If Trump does do the scheduled State of the Union, what will he say?
My opinion, the state of our Union really sucks
Will he ignore the shutdown and proclaim the State of the Union is the greatest ever?
I would not be surprised if the State of the Union speech is the same speech he gave from the WH on live TV regarding the wall
Got the popcorn out



Pretty funny seeing her cite security concerns due to the shutdown. Where is that concern for the people? The only one getting put in a corner is herself. Trump should just do a fireside chat from the White House.
Probably doesn't want to field questions on why Ruth B Ginsburg is not present and accounted for.
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January 16th, 2019 at 11:44:52 AM permalink
Quote: terapined

Pelosi really put Trump in a corner by demanding a delay to the State of the Union
If Trump does do the scheduled State of the Union, what will he say?
My opinion, the state of our Union really sucks
Will he ignore the shutdown and proclaim the State of the Union is the greatest ever?
I would not be surprised if the State of the Union speech is the same speech he gave from the WH on live TV regarding the wall
Got the popcorn out



It's a risky move because Trump is losing his argument right now. He could make the case that Pelosi and the Democrats are trying to silence him. Could lead to more sympathy for his cause.

I think the overall point of this move she is trying to make and will continue to make for the next two years is that the Constitution clearly outlines that there are three co-equal branches of government with checks and balances. Trump is shutting the government down because he's not getting what he wants from one of those co-equal branches of government. That's not how it works. Dems will not cave on this because it's such a slippery slope to go down. If they cave now, it sets the precedent.

It'll be interesting to see how the dynamics of this move by Pelosi plays out. I think there's potential for it to backfire.
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January 16th, 2019 at 11:49:41 AM permalink
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The only one getting put in a corner is herself..



Exactly. She refuses to bargain about the
wall, but wants to tell Trump what to
do? It doesn't work that way. My wife
pulls crap like this, maybe Pelosi can't
see the president needs to be treated
differently than she treats her husband.
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January 16th, 2019 at 11:51:11 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Exactly. She refuses to bargain about the
wall, but wants to tell Trump what to
do? It doesn't work that way. My wife
pulls crap like this, maybe Pelosi can't
see the president needs to be treated
differently than she treats her husband.



Or maybe the President, who seems to admire dictators, needs to realize he's not one?
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January 16th, 2019 at 11:54:31 AM permalink
Quote: Steverinos

It's a risky move because Trump is losing his argument right now. He could make the case that Pelosi and the Democrats are trying to silence him. Could lead to more sympathy for his cause.

I think the overall point of this move she is trying to make and will continue to make for the next two years is that the Constitution clearly outlines that there are three co-equal branches of government with checks and balances. Trump is shutting the government down because he's not getting what he wants from one of those co-equal branches of government. That's not how it works. Dems will not cave on this because it's such a slippery slope to go down. If they cave now, it sets the precedent.

It'll be interesting to see how the dynamics of this move by Pelosi plays out. I think there's potential for it to backfire.



Sort of like what Obama did in order to get Obamacare passed. They could have built a wall on the northern side as well with the money being wasted by the Dem's here. Trump has a mandate from his voters to get that wall built. He is fulfilling his obligation to the people that elected him.
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:17:39 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Exactly. She refuses to bargain about the
wall, but wants to tell Trump what to
do? It doesn't work that way.



Actually, according to the Constitution, it DOES work that way.

Quote:

Because the speech involves a joint session of Congress, both the House and the Senate must pass resolutions to OK the joint session.

So far, neither the House nor the Senate has passed such a resolution that invites the president to give the State of the Union address on Jan. 29.

Can Pelosi keep Trump from delivering the address?

Yes, she can in that she controls when a vote comes to the House floor. Pelosi could hold back the vote on the resolution to create a day and time for the president to speak, and prevent him from addressing House members.

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January 16th, 2019 at 12:17:47 PM permalink
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Sort of like what Obama did in order to get Obamacare passed. They could have built a wall on the northern side as well with the money being wasted by the Dem's here. Trump has a mandate from his voters to get that wall built. He is fulfilling his obligation to the people that elected him.



Trump does not have a mandate to build the wall. He lost the popular vote, he just lost the mid-terms (yes, they should've done better in the Senate, they had a huge map advantage), and all the polling for the wall is against him. He most definitely does NOT have a mandate to build the stupid wall. That's absurd. Almost as absurd as Trump and his supporters blaming the shutdown on Dems when he's on video saying he'll take the blame.
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:21:48 PM permalink
The longer the federal government is shutdown, the better off we are. If only Trump would audit and shutdown the federal reserve next.
100% risk of ruin
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:23:06 PM permalink
CNN is now publicity pushing the mandate that planes are going to be falling out of the sky soon.

Don Lemon is privately hoping for it. Along with a few starvations and freezing deaths by furloughed workers.

There is noting beneath CNN at this point in their obsession against Trump. To their credit, it has made them relevant again and always follow the money.
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:23:58 PM permalink
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CNN is now publicity pushing the mandate that planes are going to be falling out of the sky soon.

Don Lemon is privately hoping for it.



How do you know what he is privately hoping for?
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:44:58 PM permalink
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How do you know what he is privately hoping for?



Because Faux News said so!
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:46:30 PM permalink
Trumps voters( a minority of those who voted) gave him a mandate to have Mexico pay for the wall. When trump gets the cash from them, or even a promise, he can begin financing the building of the wall. Instead, in a week or two Trump will declare an emergency. The courts will rule against him, he'll shrug, blame activist judges and go about campaigning.
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:46:53 PM permalink
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CNN is now publicity pushing the mandate that planes are going to be falling out of the sky soon.

This doesn't even make sense... someone is going to mandate that planes fall out of the sky?

I just went to CNN.com and see nothing of the sort.
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:51:16 PM permalink
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Oh, they're not underestimating her.

They're already busy making up stories about her sleeping her way to the top....



She began a two year relationship with 60 year old, married, State Assemblyman Willie Brown, when she was thirty years old.

It definitely wasn’t for his looks.

He appointed her to a couple of State jobs and kick started her career.

Maybe old Willie has a few tapes.
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:52:33 PM permalink
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Or maybe the President, who seems to admire dictators, needs to realize he's not one?



I love it when people say ridiculous things
like that..
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:54:20 PM permalink
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It definitely wasn’t for his looks.



Curious, would you say the same about Melania for starting her relationship with Donald?
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:55:48 PM permalink
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Curious, would you say the same about Melania for starting her relationship with Donald?



Absolutely.
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January 16th, 2019 at 12:55:51 PM permalink
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Trump will declare an emergency. The courts will rule against him, .



So you think the court will rule
that a president can't declare
a state of emergency. Really.
I mean, really. This is how far
we've gotten into fantasyland.
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January 16th, 2019 at 1:07:57 PM permalink
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So you think the court will rule
that a president can't declare
a state of emergency. Really.
I mean, really. This is how far
we've gotten into fantasyland.




The President can declare a State of Emergency when such an emergency exists. Are conditions today different than last week? Than next week?

I do not believe the President can invent an emergency. Suppose a president decides school shooting are a national emergency and orders the military to confiscate all weapons? Do you believe he can simply declare anything a National Emergency? Truman tried to take over the steel industry in a National Emergency while we were at war and the courts ruled against him.
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January 16th, 2019 at 1:12:28 PM permalink
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I do not believe the President can invent an emergency. .



So there is no emergency on the
border, no crisis. That can be proven,
they have stats and facts to back that
up. Whew, thank god. (snicker)
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January 16th, 2019 at 1:16:27 PM permalink
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She began a two year relationship with 60 year old, married, State Assemblyman Willie Brown, when she was thirty years old.



This is news to me. Thanks for the link.

After reading a few others, it appears that Brown and his wife were amicably separated for ten years prior to the relationship starting. This has already been used as a campaign issue against her and she prevailed. It's going to be hard for Trump to use it against her in a general because of his past, but we'll see if it gets there.
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January 16th, 2019 at 1:17:31 PM permalink
Emergency has a legal meaning in the Federal Government. There are thresholds that must be provable in order to co-opt resources budgeted for other uses.

In Air Traffic, an emergency aircraft has the right-of-way over all others. Pilots can declare them, and controllers can declare them for pilots. They are then treated as emergencies for the duration. But any emergency declaration must be so self-evident, or have a situation that can be verified after the emergency is resolved.

It requires detailed paperwork describing the nature of the emergency, all actions taken, any other aircraft involved or inconvenienced, any follow-up action. If, in the after-event investigation, the emergency priority was not justified, the pilot or airline can be fined, decertified, even sued in Federal court for damages.

I don't think Trump has the necessary situation or series of events to override the non-appropriation of funds by Congress, no matter how he sells it. I could be wrong. That's where the court would come in, interpreting Federal regulations and Constitutional authority of all 3 branches. I think they have to rule against it -YMMV.
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January 16th, 2019 at 1:20:06 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

I love it when people say ridiculous things
like that..



All one has to do is look at what he has said about Putin, Kim, Duterte, Xi, the Egypt president, Turkey, etc.

It's not that difficult to surmise that Trump wishes he was the strongman that these guys are. Or just look at the current shutdown. Or just pay attention.
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January 16th, 2019 at 1:23:38 PM permalink
Quote: ams288

Curious, would you say the same about Melania for starting her relationship with Donald?



If someone has sex with someone in exchange for a job, that is prostitution.

If Harris traded sex for the high paying jobs that Brown appointed her to, that would make her a high priced prostitute, who now wants to become president of the United States.
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January 16th, 2019 at 1:25:02 PM permalink
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I have. I've also read her LIFT Act.

Don't know anything else about the skeletons or peaches you speak of.


I don't think there is much there.
Quote: Fleaswatter


You know Bob, she just cannot accept that Karamello rode Willie Brown's "willie" to get where she is
https://www.plaintruth.com/the_plain_truth/2018/09/kamala-harris-dirty-little-sex-secret-shes-slept-her-way-to-the-senate.html


Fleaswatter posted this link
but
The site is run by insane right wing religious nuts that believe the Bible predicted all of Human history including the USA
I would be embarrassed to use this site to prove a point
They are all Christian wackos on that site
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