Trump's Second and Third year in office
So Trump is lowering Ride share prices??? I love it!!Quote: GWAEI drive Uber every once in awhile and visit a forum plus some facebook groups. People have mentioned that there is an influx of drivers with government people trying to make ends meat. So the shut down is not only affecting the government but there is a trickle down happening. More drivers means lower prices and less volume for the people who do it for a living. So now there are people who are having a tough time making ends meat in that market as well. I am sure there are other industries that is taking a beating too.
Quote: MaxPenI will post some more inconvenient facts.
I will post a very inconvenient fact
Your stats are total BS
ROTFL
https://www.cato.org/blog/center-immigration-studies-exaggerates-immigrant-welfare-use
Why do you choose to post BS from a biased site
When I posted links to the Republican Trauma Surgeon and the conservatives against him due to religion
I made a point to link conservative sites
Quote: BozSince we are talking percentages, what percentage of these people smoke? Cigarettes? Weed?
I was not talking percentages
I don't know the % nor do I care
None of my business
Quote: FleaswatterCan we infer from the news shows and media that the government is filled with employees who are so inept at managing their finances and planning for emergencies that they can't pay for their kid's therapy or medications, can't pay their mortgages, can't pay their tuition on time etc., if they miss one paycheck?
I worked for the federal government for ten years, including through the three-week shutdown during the Clinton presidency. I can't speak for every federal worker, but most I knew, and myself (or is it "me?") too, viewed it as a free vacation. Everyone eventually gets paid and at least my circle of friends had enough money to last a month. Don't people listen to Suzie Orman -- Everybody should have at least a six-month emergency fund? The downside to this so-called free vacation is you couldn't just go to Europe, but had to be on call for when it was over. I lived in Baltimore at the time and January in Baltimore is not exactly like killing time in Hawaii. Even the employees who had vacation time anyway, as many did because they had "use or lose," not only got the back-pay but the vacation days back too.
Don't get me wrong, I think the whole shutdown is stupid over a tiny amount of money compared to the annual federal budget, but I am skeptical the biggest victims are the federal workers. I think it is the taxpayers who will eventually pay them for staying at home.
Quote: Bozhttps://www.foodandwine.com/news/gallup-poll-american-drinking-habits
So 62% of American males identify as beer drinkers. You probably should invest in stocks that work with Gout.
I was simply letting you know about this
I hope you don't get gout
A low purine diet was news to me till My Dr appointment last month. Never heard of the term "Purine"
I was quite shocked on what to avoid. shocked
Spinach and asparagus among other foods. WTF
Growing up, this was pushed on me. Now I know better
I don't want gout. I hope you don't get it
Alcohol is real real bad.
I knew Alcohol was bad but reading about gout and a low purine diet, I am finding its much worse then I thought
Thank goodness I don't drink
Quote: terapinedI will post a very inconvenient factQuote: MaxPenI will post some more inconvenient facts.
Your stats are total BS
ROTFL
https://www.cato.org/blog/center-immigration-studies-exaggerates-immigrant-welfare-use
Why do you choose to post BS from a biased site
When I posted links to the Republican Trauma Surgeon and the conservatives against him due to religion
I made a point to link conservative sites
Good counter-point. I especially like the idea of "Building a Wall around the Welfare State." It's obvious Trump and his supporters would never want something like that, because it would mean they would lose the ability to turn immigrants into villains and that would mean they would have to search for another way to avoid any and all responsibility.
Quote: WizardI worked for the federal government for ten years, including through the three-week shutdown during the Clinton presidency. I can't speak for every federal worker, but most I knew, and myself (or is it "me?") too, viewed it as a free vacation. Everyone eventually gets paid and at least my circle of friends had enough money to last a month. Don't people listen to Suzie Orman -- Everybody should have at least a six-month emergency fund? The downside to this so-called free vacation is you couldn't just go to Europe, but had to be on call for when it was over. I lived in Baltimore at the time and January in Baltimore is not exactly like killing time in Hawaii. Even the employees who had vacation time anyway, as many did because they had "use or lose," not only got the back-pay but the vacation days back too.
Don't get me wrong, I think the whole shutdown is stupid over a tiny amount of money compared to the annual federal budget, but I am skeptical the biggest victims are the federal workers. I think it is the taxpayers who will eventually pay them for staying at home.
Quote: WizardI worked for the federal government for ten years, including through the three-week shutdown during the Clinton presidency. I can't speak for every federal worker, but most I knew, and myself (or is it "me?") too, viewed it as a free vacation. Everyone eventually gets paid and at least my circle of friends had enough money to last a month. Don't people listen to Suzie Orman -- Everybody should have at least a six-month emergency fund? The downside to this so-called free vacation is you couldn't just go to Europe, but had to be on call for when it was over. I lived in Baltimore at the time and January in Baltimore is not exactly like killing time in Hawaii. Even the employees who had vacation time anyway, as many did because they had "use or lose," not only got the back-pay but the vacation days back too.
Don't get me wrong, I think the whole shutdown is stupid over a tiny amount of money compared to the annual federal budget, but I am skeptical the biggest victims are the federal workers. I think it is the taxpayers who will eventually pay them for staying at home.
It would be I. Not me nor myself.
“I too viewed it as a free vacation.”
Quote: WizardI worked for the federal government for ten years, including through the three-week shutdown during the Clinton presidency. I can't speak for every federal worker, but most I knew, and myself (or is it "me?") too, viewed it as a free vacation. Everyone eventually gets paid . . .
No wonder Trump is ok with the shutdown lasting years and his supporters have no problem with that: Use tax payer money to pay people not work. Make America Great Again
Quote: WizardI worked for the federal government for ten years, including through the three-week shutdown during the Clinton presidency. I can't speak for every federal worker, but most I knew, and myself (or is it "me?") too, viewed it as a free vacation. Everyone eventually gets paid and at least my circle of friends had enough money to last a month. Don't people listen to Suzie Orman -- Everybody should have at least a six-month emergency fund?
Thank you for the response. I have known federal workers who were affected by the government shutdown in the past and their situations closely mirrored your experience, i.e free vacation, got back pay etc.
I posted what I did because sometimes one just gets sick and tired of the fear mongering and "the sky is falling" syndrome around here.
Quote:The downside to this so-called free vacation is you couldn't just go to Europe, but had to be on call for when it was over. I lived in Baltimore at the time and January in Baltimore is not exactly like killing time in Hawaii. Even the employees who had vacation time anyway, as many did because they had "use or lose," not only got the back-pay but the vacation days back too.
Don't get me wrong, I think the whole shutdown is stupid over a tiny amount of money compared to the annual federal budget, but I am skeptical the biggest victims are the federal workers. I think it is the taxpayers who will eventually pay them for staying at home.
Quote: FleaswatterThank you for the response. I have known federal workers who were affected by the government shutdown in the past and their situations closely mirrored your experience, i.e free vacation, got back pay etc.
I posted what I did because sometimes one just gets sick and tired of the fear mongering and "the sky is falling" syndrome around here.
Oh, I think Democrats will be perfectly happy with the idea the Trump and supporters insist it is a vacation. Keep saying it and watch the trap you guys walk into if it rolls into weeks. Democrats need never say that. We will just wait like Chuck Norris until the moment it dawns on you all that was a really bad idea that no one is really hurting.
OTOH, I think Trump is going the Emergency route, so it is unlikely to happen.
While the 800,000 Federal employees will probably end up being paid, the million plus contractors won't, nor the multitude whose jobs in service industries depend on them.
Quote: FleaswatterI posted what I did because sometimes one just gets sick and tired of the fear mongering and "the sky is falling" syndrome around here.
I'm sick and tired of the Govt wasting massive amounts of money
There used to be time long ago when republicans were against the govt wasting massive amounts of money on workers doing nothing. I actually voted with those republicans and am still a member of the party
Boy have times changed as republicans shrug at massive amounts of tax money being wasted.
Quote: terapinedI'm sick and tired of the Govt wasting massive amounts of money
There used to be time long ago when republicans were against the govt wasting massive amounts of money on workers doing nothing. I actually voted with those republicans and am still a member of the party
Boy have times changed as republicans shrug at massive amounts of tax money being wasted.
Exactly. #metoo. Except I quit the Republicans this year. Gave up, finally, after 42 years. Too long since they balanced a budget, put country over party, or showed any stones.
Quote: terapinedI will post a very inconvenient fact
Your stats are total BS
ROTFL
https://www.cato.org/blog/center-immigration-studies-exaggerates-immigrant-welfare-use
Why do you choose to post BS from a biased site
When I posted links to the Republican Trauma Surgeon and the conservatives against him due to religion
I made a point to link conservative sites
Too bad you can't handle the truth.
Tough situation for them but zero observation of staff shortages. Business as usual at PHL.
Perhaps they are happy knowing they will be receiving some much needed overtime pay.Quote: BozThrough TSA line with no problems this morning, no delay. Thanked every worker I came in contact with and received a smile in return.
Tough situation for them but zero observation of staff shortages. Business as usual at PHL.
Going on a few more trips during January, let's see how they hold up.
Quote: MaxPenToo bad you can't handle the truth.
?????
Your stats are total BS
Obviously you cant handle that truth
Center for Immigration studies is a dishonest right wing website that hates immigrants
lol
Quote: beachbumbabsI think.we should rename Trump The Abyss.
Every time I think he could go no lower, he finds a crack and down he goes.
He today asked FEMA to take the 5.7B out of the emergency funds already allocated (by Congress, already appropriated) for the CA wildfires (Paradise and Carr) and hurricane recovery in Houston (Harvey) Florida (Irma and Michael) and Puerto Rico (Maria).
Speechless.
Saw this last night. Sounded like a proposal that was so insanely stupid that they couldn’t possibly be serious about it. Turns out it’s an idea floated mainly to put pressure on the Dems.
Once again, he is the WORST negotiator.
My mother was a non essential Federal worker most of her life. She got the free vacation, but of course was very worried throughout the process. Trump or the House or Senate or whoever will happily give my tax dollars away when this fiasco is over.
I think the overriding point is that the Chief Executive should never use a government shutdown or even it's threat to get a particular budget item approved.
Seriously.
Life imitates art?
see: [Walter] Trump's Wall
Quote: SOOPOOSomehow during this shutdown I'm still getting paid to take care of Medicare patients, at least as of today. Last shutdown we just kept submitting bills but were not paid until the shutdown was ended.
My mother was a non essential Federal worker most of her life. She got the free vacation, but of course was very worried throughout the process. Trump or the House or Senate or whoever will happily give my tax dollars away when this fiasco is over.
I think the overriding point is that the Chief Executive should never use a government shutdown or even it's threat to get a particular budget item approved.
I have been wondering about this. Medicare takes 17-21 days to pay a clean claim. Most of it is done through automation so I am not sure if once we get past 17 days if there will be a slow down. I also sent a few claims in today with an appeal. I am wondering if those will be slowed down.
Quote: RSIt would be I. Not me nor myself.
“I too viewed it as a free vacation.”
I would agree if that were a self-contained sentence, but we're talking about a clause. I thought the general rule of thumb is if you already said I are referring to yourself, then you use "myself."
Quote: SOOPOOSomehow during this shutdown I'm still getting paid to take care of Medicare patients, at least as of today. Last shutdown we just kept submitting bills but were not paid until the shutdown was ended.
My mother was a non essential Federal worker most of her life. She got the free vacation, but of course was very worried throughout the process. Trump or the House or Senate or whoever will happily give my tax dollars away when this fiasco is over.
I think the overriding point is that the Chief Executive should never use a government shutdown or even it's threat to get a particular budget item approved.
Defense, Labor, HHS, education, VA and energy are already funded and are not shut down. Which is why SOOPOO gets paid. And social security, and the military. And SNAP for now.
Quote: SOOPOO
I think the overriding point is that the Chief Executive should never use a government shutdown or even it's threat to get a particular budget item approved.
Trump will pick the best political moment to declare a state of emergency which will allow lawmakers to fund the 9 departments and reopen government. He is waiting for a story where people are suffering too much. He will appeal to pelosi and schumer. They will not relent. That will make it look to his base that the emergency was necessary and demonize the democratic party. It's the drama that Trump thrives by and will be praised by his friends at Fox and on conservative radio.
It is the only solution at this point and we are at a point in the political cycle where Trump can be forgiven before the presidential campaigns get into full swing.
Quote: SOOPOOSomehow during this shutdown I'm still getting paid to take care of Medicare patients, at least as of today. Last shutdown we just kept submitting bills but were not paid until the shutdown was ended.
My mother was a non essential Federal worker most of her life. She got the free vacation, but of course was very worried throughout the process. Trump or the House or Senate or whoever will happily give my tax dollars away when this fiasco is over.
I think the overriding point is that the Chief Executive should never use a government shutdown or even it's threat to get a particular budget item approved.
The shutdown is over 7 agencies that did not get their budgets passed, so they're out of money. I'm guessing Medicare is administered through HHS, which did get funded.
This is a useful list of what is shut down, and what is and is not affected.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/heres-what-shuts-down-in-a-government-shutdown/
Quote: beachbumbabsThe shutdown is over 7 agencies that did not get their budgets passed, so they're out of money. I'm guessing Medicare is administered through HHS, which did get funded.
This is a useful list of what is shut down, and what is and is not affected.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/heres-what-shuts-down-in-a-government-shutdown/
Thank you BBB. I have shared the info with my employees and with a group on facebook that would be interested in the Medicare involvement.
Quote: BozThrough TSA line with no problems this morning, no delay. Thanked every worker I came in contact with and received a smile in return.
Tough situation for them but zero observation of staff shortages. Business as usual at PHL.
Kudos. This is literally the first time I have ever seen a conservative commend the services of TSA. I know that's not the point you were trying to make but it's still refreshing nonetheless.
Quote: petroglyph"Never let a crisis go to waste" Rahm Emanuel
Long before our friends on the right was getting bent out of shape by the former Israeli paratrooper turned Mayor of Chi town, historians attributed that to another radical leftist, Winston Churchill.
The right loves Israel, everybody does. Except maybe Bahia Amawi?Quote: billryanLong before our friends on the right was getting bent out of shape by the former Israeli paratrooper turned Mayor of Chi town, historians attributed that to another radical leftist, Winston Churchill.
Quote: terapined?????
Your stats are total BS
Obviously you cant handle that truth
Center for Immigration studies is a dishonest right wing website that hates immigrants
lol
Hates ILLEGAL Immigrants, who by nature are Criminals by breaking our laws to start with. And it’s hard to debate they are not criminals unless you think the laws are wrong.
So yea, most of us hate criminals. Sorry you don’t.
Quote: BozHates ILLEGAL Immigrants, who by nature are Criminals by breaking our laws to start with. And it’s hard to debate they are not criminals unless you think the laws are wrong.
So yea, most of us hate criminals. Sorry you don’t.
Prosecutors have linked Trump to a federal crime. So hopefully you can start hating him.
Quote: rxwineProsecutors have linked Trump to a federal crime. So hopefully you can start hating him.
lol, no way, he's the best president of his lifetime!
Quote: Steverinoslol, no way, he's the best president of his lifetime!
I’ve made more money under Trump than any other President. But of course it takes hard work and common sense, something most Criminals don’t have.
So moving forward can we all agree to call anyone breaking our immigration laws a Criminal? Simpler than making new rules and lumping hard working Mexicans who legally came to this country with the scumballs who don’t care about our laws.
Sorry some of you are so tolerant of criminals.
People who apply for asylum at the border and live in the United ornate taken into custody are also not criminals, even if they skip out on their meeting. When they get deported they also have no criminal record.
In the above two cases only civil law is being violated which means that they are not under the jurisdiction of LEOs. This is why a police officer doesn't show up at your door when you break a municipal bylaw either like not licensing your pet. To me the classification of criminal is the same.
There is only a crime committed when a person crosses into the country illegally or fraudulently obtains permission to enter the United States. Many people who are desperate make the choice to do so because the wait on the Mexican side is too long because the Trump administration made the choice to severely limit the number of applications it processes or closes the crossing to asylum seekers. Under previous administrations the illegal crossing was overlooked and the asylum application was processed.
Given that most people who are subject to deportation entered the US legally, the best use of your tax dollars would be to hire judges and lawyers to try asylum cases as soon as possible, provide money and resources to ICE for removals and deportations, change immigration law to a merit based system, and put up physical barriers at key places to prevent easy illegal crossings. Part of this negotiation would be to removing the posturing and tension between LEO who are not responsible for enforcing civil law and the administration. As well allowing more people to seek asylum and have their applications processed quickly (under a month) with legal representation would drastically reduce the cost of housing asylum seekers and remove the humanitarian crisis at the border that the Trump administration created and continues to exacerbate.
The WALL is the worst use of tax dollars because most people come into the country legally and overstay their visa. Tunnels and ladders circumvent walls as do the insides of trucks that smuggle people and drugs. Boats also circumvents walls. The wall is symbolic Trump trash. He couldn't get it done when he had control of Congress and he chose to make this a battle with the democrats in order to demonize them.
But whatever. Trump will declare a state of emergency and the wall will go into legal limbo.
And desperate people with superiority complexes see them as tools to use to stay in power. All rye Dens see is future voters, depending on government from cradle to grave. No different than the liberal cities of America, full of legitimate Americans who have lived in poverty for generations, too stupid to understand there is a better life out there.
Quote: Boz
Sorry some of you are so tolerant of criminals.
I'm engaged in 6 felonies at this very moment.
Quote: Frederic BastiatWhen law and morality contradict each other, the citizen has the cruel alternative of either losing his moral sense or losing his respect for the law
Easy choice.
F.B.I. Opened Inquiry Into Whether Trump Was Secretly Working on Behalf of Russia
Quote:WASHINGTON — In the days after President Trump fired James B. Comey as F.B.I. director, law enforcement officials became so concerned by the president’s behavior that they began investigating whether he had been working on behalf of Russia against American interests, according to former law enforcement officials and others familiar with the investigation.
Quote: ams288Honest question:
Why do some people just say “wall” and not “the wall”?
Not sure. I didn't even know there was a difference in meaning (if there is one).
Quote: OnceDearIf he demanded it for his arse pocket would it still be negligible? What if he just wanted to spend it on a 1 mile high billboard that said 'Trumpy is a demigod'
Are you even trying? Those 2 things would be retarded to do....
Quote: beachbumbabsThe OMB (Trump's department for budgeting) estimates place the cost of the wall at 39.9 Billion. The 5.7 Billion is a down payment.
For comparison, that's 2.5 years of running the entire FAA, including paying 50,000 people and running more than 650 facilities, buying and maintaining equipment for airports and control buildings, training, research, and development. A much better use of your tax dollars.
O.M.B.
Orange
Man
Bad
Coincidence???
YOU DECIDE!!!!
I didn't figure the $5.7 billion would be enough to build the wall. Construction is usually incredibly slow, especially for big projects. Not gonna be done in 1 year, that's for sure. That $39.9 billion would be spread out over what, 3 years absolute minimum? More like 5 probably. About $8B/yr for the wall vs $16B/yr for FAA.
For the sake of (non)-argument, I'll agree funding the FAA is a better use of tax dollars than building a wall. But that doesn't mean just because one thing is more important, that something else should be ignored. It's more important that I buy $50 worth of food than it is to put $50 worth of gas in my car, but I'm not just going to omit putting gas in my car because it's less important than eating, especially if I'm already spending 100x-1000x that amount every week regardless.
Quote: beachbumbabs*EXCERPT*because we are only able to carry over 240 hours into the next leave year
Hey Babs - quick question (excuse my ignorance) -- is the 240 hours calculated based on an 8 hour work day (which would give you 30 days off) or is it calculated on a 24 hour day (which would give you 10 days off)?
Thanks in advance for clearing this up for me.
Quote: billryanEvery single member of the House who has a district on the border has now come out saying a wall isn't needed. What do they know?
They know that people who come across the border illegally will eventually vote Democrat (if they are granted a path to citizenship or, well, maybe just if the local board of elections is asleep at the wheel as they are wont to be) so long as the Dems keep kowtowing to them - also, the people coming across illegally might be relatives of people here legally who will vote for the Dems
Quote: FaceI'm engaged in 6 felonies at this very moment.
Excellent book on the mishmash and insanity of our laws
https://www.amazon.com/Three-Felonies-Day-Target-Innocent/dp/1594035229
Quote: beachbumbabsFor comparison, that's 2.5 years of running the entire FAA, including paying 50,000 people and running more than 650 facilities, buying and maintaining equipment for airports and control buildings, training, research, and development. A much better use of your tax dollars.
The FAA is above reproach
https://nypost.com/2016/01/03/the-quota-driven-drive-to-make-flying-more-perilous/
Quote: BozWelcome back. You need to visit more often, one of the few voices of reason.
Thanks, Boz. But with all respect intended, that's most of the reason I stay gone. This thread is the antithesis of reason.
Maybe one day I'll regale y'all with my take of this situation, but I'll spare the forum for now. All's I'll say is the party of guns, God, and fiscal responsibility has hired a huckster NY democrat who is now ramming guns bans into law, is a serial cheater and general POS who's running a trillion dollar deficit, and the conservatives somehow adore him. I'd be no less surprised to see Joyce Meyer win the Dem nomination. It's bleeding bananas, man.
Y'all would do well with a crash course in human psychology. If nothing else, review "decentralized decision making". See how easy it is to control behavior and ask yourself if you ain't done caught in it.
This isn't how things are supposed to be.
