Trump's Second and Third year in office
I would assume that you liked it.Quote: TigerWuIf I was the most bullied person in the country, I might take a step back and re-evaluate my life to try and figure out why everyone hates me so much.
Quote: petroglyphI would assume that you liked it.
Hmm... good point...
Maybe Trump's got a fetish for that sort of thing...
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: FinsRuleQuote: MaxPenBREAKING NEWS...…………...Another Suspicious Package Found
…….In Michelle Obama's Pants
If I was in charge and had to kick one person off this board, I would pick you.
Personal insult. We need a mod to send you to time out.
Its not a personal insult
My take
Finsrule is saying that Maxpen's right wing views are too extreme and if he was in charge, he would not allow it
I agree to a certain extant
We should be going back and forth with logical point, counter point
Maxpen cant hang with the discussion and instead insults Michelle Obama out of the blue with absurd disgusting lies that would get him kicked off the board if he made the same claim about a member.
Quote: billryanQuote: SOOPOOQuote: FinsRuleQuote: MaxPenBREAKING NEWS...…………...Another Suspicious Package Found
…….In Michelle Obama's Pants
If I was in charge and had to kick one person off this board, I would pick you.
Personal insult. We need a mod to send you to time out.
Waaaaaaaaa…..
What, in the wide wide world of sports, do you perceive as an insult there?
SOOPOO often sees personal insults where none exist.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: FinsRuleQuote: MaxPenBREAKING NEWS...…………...Another Suspicious Package Found
…….In Michelle Obama's Pants
If I was in charge and had to kick one person off this board, I would pick you.
Personal insult. We need a mod to send you to time out.
Not a personal insult. Saying you don't like someone on here is just honest.
Quote: beachbumbabsQuote: SOOPOOQuote: FinsRuleQuote: MaxPenBREAKING NEWS...…………...Another Suspicious Package Found
…….In Michelle Obama's Pants
If I was in charge and had to kick one person off this board, I would pick you.
Personal insult. We need a mod to send you to time out.
Not a personal insult. Saying you don't like someone on here is just honest.
I know this is crazy, but I really wasn’t saying I don’t like him.
I just thought it was a crude post about Michelle Obama that obviously didn’t help the discussion at all. And that isn’t the first time he’s done it. God knows there are a few people I disagree with strongly on here, but at least their posts at least further the debate and give me something to think about.
If I was in charge of this forum or any forum, I would kick out someone who just posts crude jokes/lies for no reason.
Quote: FinsRuleQuote: beachbumbabsQuote: SOOPOOQuote: FinsRuleQuote: MaxPenBREAKING NEWS...…………...Another Suspicious Package Found
…….In Michelle Obama's Pants
If I was in charge and had to kick one person off this board, I would pick you.
Personal insult. We need a mod to send you to time out.
Not a personal insult. Saying you don't like someone on here is just honest.
I know this is crazy, but I really wasn’t saying I don’t like him.
I just thought it was a crude post about Michelle Obama that obviously didn’t help the discussion at all. And that isn’t the first time he’s done it. God knows there are a few people I disagree with strongly on here, but at least their posts at least further the debate and give me something to think about.
If I was in charge of this forum or any forum, I would kick out someone who just posts crude jokes/lies for no reason.
I guess I really agree with you. Every time I read a comment about Mrs. Obama having balls or something like that, I think if it was my forum that person would be axed. But saying you don't like someone on here also adds nothing to the value of the forum, and I would submit it distracts from the message you really want to put out there. Saying you don't like it when people make childish crude jokes (repeatedly) is the way it should be addressed, not... "You are the first poster I would get rid of". My opinion.
Sounds about right.
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Quote: FinsRuleQuote: beachbumbabsQuote: SOOPOOQuote: FinsRuleQuote: MaxPenBREAKING NEWS...…………...Another Suspicious Package Found
…….In Michelle Obama's Pants
If I was in charge and had to kick one person off this board, I would pick you.
Personal insult. We need a mod to send you to time out.
Not a personal insult. Saying you don't like someone on here is just honest.
I know this is crazy, but I really wasn’t saying I don’t like him.
I just thought it was a crude post about Michelle Obama that obviously didn’t help the discussion at all. And that isn’t the first time he’s done it. God knows there are a few people I disagree with strongly on here, but at least their posts at least further the debate and give me something to think about.
If I was in charge of this forum or any forum, I would kick out someone who just posts crude jokes/lies for no reason.
I totally agree
Though I lean left, posts from the right from members such as RonC makes me sometimes rethink my positions
There are many here on the right and left here that enjoy the logical point counter point
Then Maxpen chimes in with something really disgusting crude lies adding nothing to the discussion
It overall hurts the forum.
-MaxPen is an expert on transsexuals and has an intense interest in what is between their legs
-The moderators are making it clear that graphic discussion about what is between the legs of transsexuals is perfectly fine
-Everyone agrees this type of discussion stays perfectly on topic with Donald Trump
This one definitely throws a monkey wrench into everyone's "agenda"....
Quote: TigerWu"Trump wants harmony, but he immediately attacks. He demands honest coverage, but like a funhouse George Washington, he cannot tell a truth. He pleads for an end to the politics of personal destruction, but he cannot resist indulging in ad hominem attacks. Trump’s vision of unity is one, as I wrote Friday, that can exist only in one-party states, where there is no meaningful opposition and no criticism. His idea of harmony is that his critics yield entirely to his whims."
Sounds about right.
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Trump's vision of harmony and unity is everyone agreeing with him and doing what he says.
Dont they ask you if you are sending any bomb related materials
Everyone knows a mad bomber always tells the truth
EDIT: I just realized he was a Republican Mad Bomber. The lying makes total sense now
Quote: Dalex64Quote: TigerWu"Trump wants harmony, but he immediately attacks. He demands honest coverage, but like a funhouse George Washington, he cannot tell a truth. He pleads for an end to the politics of personal destruction, but he cannot resist indulging in ad hominem attacks. Trump’s vision of unity is one, as I wrote Friday, that can exist only in one-party states, where there is no meaningful opposition and no criticism. His idea of harmony is that his critics yield entirely to his whims."
Sounds about right.
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Trump's vision of harmony and unity is everyone agreeing with him and doing what he says.
Not disagreeing with you, but do you believe Obama was any different? That Harris will be any different? Booker? Cuomo? Sanders? Clinton?
I can tell you from local NY state experience that if you are Democrat politician you better agree with Cuomo.
Quote: SOOPOO
Not disagreeing with you, but do you believe Obama was any different? That Harris will be any different? Booker? Cuomo? Sanders? Clinton?
Yes. Other Presidents, including Republican ones, were smart enough to know that complete obeisance is not a practical reality. Trump doesn't seem to grasp that concept.
Quote: TigerWuA white supremacist kills 10 at a synagogue in Pittsburgh... but he was definitely NOT a Trump supporter. Wonder how the far-left will try and spin it? And how will the far-right fit this into the "false-flag-anti-Republican" narrative they've been pushing the last few days?
This one definitely throws a monkey wrench into everyone's "agenda"....
Trump says if there was someone with a gun then they culd have stopped him... how about if he cant get the gun then no one needed a gun to stop him.
Just got back from giving blood. I was actually turned away from upmc because they said they have enough. Blood bank was happy to take it.
Quote: TigerWuYes. Other Presidents, including Republican ones, were smart enough to know that complete obeisance is not a practical reality. Trump doesn't seem to grasp that concept.
Thank you for teaching me a word I was unfamiliar with! I have heard many Dem speeches, mostly Harris and Booker, that remind me of Trump. Under their Presidency I think it will be little different from Trump as far as listening to anything from the other side. Hopefully we wont see! The only high Dem who really seems like she could be a 'bring us together' President is Klobuchar.
Quote: SOOPOOQuote: Dalex64Quote: TigerWu"Trump wants harmony, but he immediately attacks. He demands honest coverage, but like a funhouse George Washington, he cannot tell a truth. He pleads for an end to the politics of personal destruction, but he cannot resist indulging in ad hominem attacks. Trump’s vision of unity is one, as I wrote Friday, that can exist only in one-party states, where there is no meaningful opposition and no criticism. His idea of harmony is that his critics yield entirely to his whims."
Sounds about right.
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Trump's vision of harmony and unity is everyone agreeing with him and doing what he says.
Not disagreeing with you, but do you believe Obama was any different? That Harris will be any different? Booker? Cuomo? Sanders? Clinton?
I can tell you from local NY state experience that if you are Democrat politician you better agree with Cuomo.
Well, I think of all of those, Trump is the most intentionally divisive, and to me personally whose calls of harmony and unity seem most hypocritical.
I'll trust you on Cuomo, and think Clinton may have been hard to work with, but not inciteful. Harris seems like she might be intentionally divisive.
Obama talks a good talk. I'm not sure how much of his problems were his, from his race, or from the new breed of opposition with a primary goal of causing the other side to fail no matter the cost to the country, even stating that goal openly.
No opinion on Booker. Of that group, I would think Sanders would be the most reasonable to work with and less divisive, keeping in mind he is still a Democrat and will want to do things differently (different philosophy, goals, priorities) than republicans would which naturally leads to conflict.
And again among that group, I think Trump is the worst.
Quote: GWAETrump says if there was someone with a gun then they culd have stopped him...
He WAS stopped by someone with a gun... the police.
If he got in a car accident on the way over that would have stopped him, too.
If he had a heart attack the night before, that would have stopped him, too.
If he had a better childhood, that would have stopped him, too.
This James Bond fantasy that some people have about whipping out a concealed weapon and saving the day is a dangerous and impractical solution that does nothing to actually solve the problem. And no one said the synagogue couldn't have an armed guard there if they wanted to. I don't think it's against the Jewish religion to do that. So for Trump to say, "oh an armed guard could have stopped him!" is just pure bad taste and insulting.
I wonder just how common this is.
“I’ll pay for your legal fees”
“The problem with this country is nobody gets roughed up anymore.”
“I’d punch him in the face.”
“I could shoot somebody on 5th ave and not lose any voters.”
“Maybe the 2nd amendment people can do something”
Trump cannot fix this. That ship has long sailed. He has proven and demonstrated he is incapable of uniting while very handily dividing us further. He is dangerous for our country and I’m so disappointed more of our fellow Americans can’t or refuse to recognize it.
All the tax cuts and SC justices in the world aren’t worth the damage he’s doing.
Quote: billryanIn the last four or five years, I had two people I knew who fit the " good guy with a gun"model. Both were LEOs, off duty and armed, who intervened in crimes. Both were shot and killed. One by police responding to the crime, the other by another "good guy with a gun".
I wonder just how common this is.
It definitely happens. I've seen a couple of stories about it over the past few weeks/months where the "good guy" was successful in stopping some kind of crime. But I don't think it's terribly common, and as your examples illustrate there's just as much a tendency for the good guy to get killed as he is to "save the day."
"Good guy with a gun" is mostly a video game fantasy that people like to trot out when they don't know how to actually solve the problem. Not saying that I know how to solve the problem, either.
Quote: Steverinos
All the tax cuts and SC justices in the world aren’t worth the damage he’s doing.
BUT OBAMA SAID I COULD KEEP MY DOCTOR!!
Checkmate, libtards.
Pre existing conditions are covered, and more people have coverage because of the 30 hour threshold.
Quote: billryanTrumps election was a result of Obama care. How much more of a negative do you need?
I don’t think that is true. It was Obama, not Obamacare.
Quote: Dalex64Quote: SOOPOOQuote: Dalex64Quote: TigerWu"Trump wants harmony, but he immediately attacks. He demands honest coverage, but like a funhouse George Washington, he cannot tell a truth. He pleads for an end to the politics of personal destruction, but he cannot resist indulging in ad hominem attacks. Trump’s vision of unity is one, as I wrote Friday, that can exist only in one-party states, where there is no meaningful opposition and no criticism. His idea of harmony is that his critics yield entirely to his whims."
Sounds about right.
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Trump's vision of harmony and unity is everyone agreeing with him and doing what he says.
Not disagreeing with you, but do you believe Obama was any different? That Harris will be any different? Booker? Cuomo? Sanders? Clinton?
I can tell you from local NY state experience that if you are Democrat politician you better agree with Cuomo.
Well, I think of all of those, Trump is the most intentionally divisive, and to me personally whose calls of harmony and unity seem most hypocritical.
I'll trust you on Cuomo, and think Clinton may have been hard to work with, but not inciteful. Harris seems like she might be intentionally divisive.
Obama talks a good talk. I'm not sure how much of his problems were his, from his race, or from the new breed of opposition with a primary goal of causing the other side to fail no matter the cost to the country, even stating that goal openly.
No opinion on Booker. Of that group, I would think Sanders would be the most reasonable to work with and less divisive, keeping in mind he is still a Democrat and will want to do things differently (different philosophy, goals, priorities) than republicans would which naturally leads to conflict.
And again among that group, I think Trump is the worst.
I agree with some of this. Harris, though, is not a hard-liner party person. She's a PROSECUTOR by trade and temperment. She would work well with reasonable people from either side of the aisle.
She's also a person who has fought hard every step of the way, and so far, has been so good at what she does that she beat the odds many times.
But most of her spotlight the last couple of years has been while she's making fools out of idiot Trumpers during confirmation hearings. That's what prosecutors do all day, and she's one of the best. There's a whole other side of things when people work together, and I'm pretty sure she can do that too. Maybe the Senate will return to regular order someday, and we'll all find out.
I also doubt Sanders can work with anyone. Anywhere. Anyhow. He's not on board with the Democrats, and he despises the Republicans. He only signed up with D's to run and get some of their money. Now he's back to I, after completely disrupting their party, and being a very poor advocate for party unity after he lost the primary.
The rest, yeah, good assessment.
Quote: FinsRuleI don’t think that is true. It was Obama, not Obamacare.
If these are the only two choices, I'm picking three, and saying if anything it was that Hillary was not Obama and everyone noticed.
Quote: FinsRuleI haven’t seen any negatives since Obamacare started. Doesn’t mean there aren’t any. Just means that my healthcare and the healthcare of people at the 3 jobs I’ve had has not been negatively impacted.
Prior to the ACA, total healthcare insurance cost increases were slowing.
Beginning in 2014, when the ACA went into effect, healthcare insurance costs shot up more than 50%, and deductibles increased 84%.
The cost increases are accelerating.
Premiums have more than doubled since 2013, and deductibles have increased more than premiums.
People are paying more than twice as much as before, for less coverage.
"There is great anger in our Country caused in part by inaccurate, and even fraudulent, reporting of the news. The Fake News Media, the true Enemy of the People, must stop the open & obvious hostility & report the news accurately & fairly. That will do much to put out the flame of Anger and Outrage and we will then be able to bring all sides together in Peace and Harmony. Fake News Must End!"
He told of how his good friend moved heaven and hell to reopen Wall Street the next day. How his friend George Steinbrenner didn't cancel any baseball games.
None of that happened. The Stock Exchange was closed for the rest of the week and baseball shut down nationwide.
Quote: TankoPrior to the ACA, total healthcare insurance cost increases were slowing.
"The Kaiser study shows that average family premiums rose 20% from 2011 to 2016. That rate of increase is actually much lower than the previous five years (up 31% from 2006 to 2011) and the five years before that (up 63% from 2001 to 2006)."
https://www.kff.org/health-costs/issue-brief/health-care-costs-and-election-2008/
https://www.kff.org/health-costs/press-release/average-annual-workplace-family-health-premiums-rise-modest-3-to-18142-in-2016-more-workers-enroll-in-high-deductible-plans-with-savings-option-over-past-two-years/
Quote: billryanOver the weekend, trump declared that he decided to not cancel his rally because of the way NYC responded to September 11th.
He told of how his good friend moved heaven and hell to reopen Wall Street the next day. How his friend George Steinbrenner didn't cancel any baseball games.
None of that happened. The Stock Exchange was closed for the rest of the week and baseball shut down nationwide.
I really need a total compilation of history according to Trump. It needs a proper illustration of fantasy.
Quote: rxwineI really need a total compilation of history according to Trump. It needs a proper illustration of fantasy.
It would probably drive you insane.
Like a Cthulhu Mythos of stupidity.
Quote: billryanOver the weekend, trump declared that he decided to not cancel his rally because of the way NYC responded to September 11th.
He told of how his good friend moved heaven and hell to reopen Wall Street the next day. How his friend George Steinbrenner didn't cancel any baseball games.
None of that happened. The Stock Exchange was closed for the rest of the week and baseball shut down nationwide.
I am actually somewhat happy about these blatant lies coming just a week before the midterms
Trump is a moron
Clear evidence not to vote red
Quote: terapinedI am actually somewhat happy about these blatant lies coming just a week before the midterms
Trump is a moron
Clear evidence not to vote red
You should see some of the political commercials for the mid-terms in Oklahoma. They act like before Trump came along we were living in a dystopian nightmare. And if we don't vote Republican the apocalypse will happen.
It's pretty pathetic, but also a little bit funny.
What does that even mean?
FYI, this is why us lefties always point out that Hillary got more votes....
Quote: ams288Sarah Sanders today: Trump in 2016 won an "overwhelming majority of 63 million Americans.”
What does that even mean?
It's not an "overwhelming majority" of anything.
It's about 19% of total U.S. population.
It's about 26% of people of voting age in the U.S.
It's about 46% of people who voted for President.
None of that is a majority.
So, I'm not sure either what she means by that turn of phrase.
Maybe she meant electoral votes? He got 57% of those, but even then, that has nothing to do with 63 million people, and I wouldn't exactly call 57% an "overwhelming majority."
P.S. How often did we hear about Obama or Bush or Clinton or any other President or their administration talk about how much they won they election by? Like.... never? What is this administration's obsession with it? It was two years ago. Hillary lost. Get over it.
Quote: terapinedI am actually somewhat happy about these blatant lies coming just a week before the midterms
Trump is a moron
Clear evidence not to vote red
And Florida deserves everything it gets if it actually elects the lunatic Gillum. Ron may not be the ideal candidate for lefties but he’s far more likely to keep a good thing going. And Florida continues to grow because it offers opportunity for everyone along with low taxes.
I can see justification for keeping Nelson but there is no way any objective person can support the just give me a Billion guy. But it may happen. Never underestimate that there is still a lot of jealousy out there and punishing success can still be a winning strategy. Add in the potential loss of many GOP voters in the panhandle dealing with tragedy and it’s possible.
Quote: Steverinos"The Kaiser study shows that average family premiums rose 20% from 2011 to 2016. That rate of increase is actually much lower than the previous five years
Year to year premium and deductible increases were modest from 2008 to 2013.
Ten years of Health Insurance Costs
"Between the end of 2013 and the first two months of the 2017 open enrollment period, average family premiums have increased 140%"
The slick Kaiser article includes the last three pre-ACA years, with 2014, 2015 and 2016 to get a deceptive lower average cost increase.
Your link, is to a report about workplace family health premiums, which increased less than the average annual cost for family coverage. Deductibles for those workers increased 12% in 2016.
More than seventy percent of people are not covered by a company plan.
Thanks to the ACA, average annual health insurance costs for family coverage are more than double what they were in 2013. On top of that, the rate of increase is accelerating.
Quote: BozAnd Florida deserves everything it gets if it actually elects the lunatic Gillum. Ron may not be the ideal candidate for lefties but he’s far more likely to keep a good thing going. And Florida continues to grow because it offers opportunity for everyone along with low taxes.
I can see justification for keeping Nelson but there is no way any objective person can support the just give me a Billion guy. But it may happen. Never underestimate that there is still a lot of jealousy out there and punishing success can still be a winning strategy. Add in the potential loss of many GOP voters in the panhandle dealing with tragedy and it’s possible.
Not to mention about a half a million displaced Puerto Ricans who disagree with trumps giving the storm recovery efforts an A.
Quote: Tanko
Thanks to the ACA, average annual health insurance costs for family coverage are more than double what they were in 2013. On top of that, the rate of increase is accelerating.
When are Republicans going to fix this?
Quote: ams288Sarah Sanders today: Trump in 2016 won an "overwhelming majority of 63 million Americans.”
What does that even mean?
FYI, this is why us lefties always point out that Hillary got more votes....
It means,
- Less than 1 in 5 of all Americans:
- Less than a majority of votes cast:
- Less than 28% of eligible voters:
- Less than his main opponent:
Chose to vote for Trump.
But out of 63 million Americans, 62.9 million of THEM voted for Trump. So let's just spin that puppy and see if it barks.
Because who cares about the Jews slaughtered when my hair is getting mussed. They didn't vote for me, anyway. Stupid umbrella. Didn't keep my hair dry. Let me dump it where it can be blown into a jet engine or across a runway, because nobody can fold one anyway, everybody knows that, and it's not like I ever actually ran a cheapo airline or anything and could appreciate the cost of a million dollar engine sucking up wires and cloth and spewing out fan blades as shrapnel...
And besides, you know, the inauguration crowds...biggest in history, right?
Quote: billryanNot to mention about a half a million displaced Puerto Ricans who disagree with trumps giving the storm recovery efforts an A.
Hey, they got Paper Towels. Who doesn’t appreciate free Paper Towels?
Quote: TigerWuWhen are Republicans going to fix this?
Fix it? Shiat...they've done nothing but sabotage and then have the gall to complain about it, while at the same time lacking any capability or will to address the problem and govern.
But when your party has moved to the extreme, this is what you get:
Note: Norm Ornstein is not a liberal.
