Trump's Second and Third year in office
Quote: terapinedI just don't get how some people are against a Dem for sexual assault and give a pass to a Rep
I find that hypocrisy disgusting
SOME people on BOTH sides are for giving different people a pass.
I'm not. I hate to compare BBB's situation to anything to do with Kavanaugh, but she posted a credible story that I have little question is true. That doens't make every allegation credible. Professor Ford did not want to come forward--she was forced to do so by the leaker who put her name out there. She doesn't have a solid memory of the alleged incident. This current person says it took her six days to remember it was Kavanaugh. There is a HUGE difference in credibility.
I'not going to sit here an type that it is 100% certain he didn't do it, but I am not going to trash him based on what is out there now. Is that subject to change? Of course it is. If testimony is given and one seems credible and the other stutters and stammers, it could change. We're not going to get "beyond a reasonable doubt" just as, at this point in time; BBB could not get "beyond reasonable doubt" and she knows a hell of a lot more about what happened than either of these two.
BBB, I am sorry for your pain. Y'all can say whatever you want, but I want this to be a fair process.
I say we force the Congress to open the records on the people who have been protected by their fund from these type of allegations. Let the chips fall as the may. I am sure there would be some Republicans fall if they did that.
Until everyone wants everything done the same way for each member of Congress and, by extension, everyone in government, this is all just political crap.
Quote: ams288Yes. 100% yes.
Sorry.
Your side is the one that is rushing to give a man who is credibly accused of sexual assault a lifetime slot on the Supreme Court.
If the accusers didn't come forward in a timeframe that is convenient to your liking, well, too damn bad.
Really? The side that spent a week negotiating with attorneys for Professor Ford to get her in front of the committee?
Yes, they want to finish the process of confirming Kavanaugh. They also held up the process for Professor Ford and gave several deadline extensions to her team in order to make the hearing happen. The hearing being open is just as dangerous to them as anyone as far as getting the nomination confirmed--if Professor Ford is credible and there is any doubt, they will have to take action. If the hearing is closed, well, we all know that the stories by both sides differ when those occur...
"Over the last 42 years, 14 Court nominees who went to a full Senate confirmation vote waited, on average, 67 days. " NBC News
We are well within that norm, so the confirmation is not as "rushed' as some folks would like to say it has been.
Again, anything can change based on the testimony of the accuser.
Quote: RonCReally? The side that spent a week negotiating with attorneys for Professor Ford to get her in front of the committee?
Yes, they want to finish the process of confirming Kavanaugh. They also held up the process for Professor Ford and gave several deadline extensions to her team in order to make the hearing happen.
Yes, that side. Those deadlines they made up were completely arbitrary. They held open a Supreme Court seat for a year. There is no rush.
At this point, Thursday is a looooong way away. Who knows if Kavanaugh will even still be around by then....
They held open a Supreme Court seat for a year. There is no rush.Quote: ams288Yes, that side. Those deadlines they made up were completely arbitrary.
If you don't set deadlines, even though they seem "arbitrary", nothing happens. The other side would just take forever.
Quote: ams288They held open a Supreme Court seat for a year. There is no rush.
...and the other side thought it up, or at least contributed to the idea of it happening, "The Biden Rule"...
Quote: ams288At this point, Thursday is a looooong way away. Who knows if Kavanaugh will even still be around by then....
That is true...that is why I am saying everything based on what is known today.
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Reports are that he is headed to the White House...
Quote: RonCRosenstein has supposedly verbally resigned to John Kelly...
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Reports are that he is headed to the White House...
Hoo boy...
This week is going to be really interesting...!
EDIT: Rumor is he was summoned to the White House expecting to be fired.
I find that all the condolences or kind words to BBB from trumpers here are very disingenuous at worst or very diplomatic at best. I am 100%, well, let’s make it 1,000,000% certain that BBB will be attacked, ridiculed, calling names and threatened by these trumpers just like the way that the GOP and all other trumper operatives treated Anita Hill and Dr. Christine Blasey Ford if BBB’s perpetrator is Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, or Clarence Thomas.
Quote: 777Let’s be real here.
I find that all the condolences or kind words to BBB from trumpers here are very disingenuous at worst or very diplomatic at best. I am 100%, well, let’s make it 1,000,000% certain that BBB will be attacked, ridiculed, calling names and threatened just like the way that the GOP and all trumper operatives treated Anita Hill and Dr. Christine Blasey Ford if BBB’s perpetrator is Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, or Clarence Thomas.
Interesting.
But, mostly, bullshit.
If someone comes forward with CREDIBLE EVIDENCE that Kavanaugh actually did these things, I would not support him. BBB remembers the incident in horrifying detail--names, places, her actions, etc. If Kavanaugh's accusers can provide the same level of detail, I think he stands a good chance of not being confirmed. At this point, someone taking six days to figure out if she remembers who it might have been who exposed himself with the help of a team of lawyers helping her with her memory...well, would you want to be denied a job or convicted based on that alone?
We'll see what the Creepy Porn Lawyer has...I am certainly not saying anything is assured at this point.
Allegations are not proof.
Quote: RonCInteresting.
But, mostly, bullshit.
If someone comes forward with CREDIBLE EVIDENCE that Kavanaugh actually did these things, I would not support him. BBB remembers the incident in horrifying detail--names, places, her actions, etc. If Kavanaugh's accusers can provide the same level of detail, I think he stands a good chance of not being confirmed. At this point, someone taking six days to figure out if she remembers who it might have been who exposed himself with the help of a team of lawyers helping her with her memory...well, would you want to be denied a job or convicted based on that alone?
We'll see what the Creepy Porn Lawyer has...I am certainly not saying anything is assured at this point.
Allegations are not proof.
This reply is NOT NOT NOT NOT about questioning BBB's credibility or truthfulness. But it is 100% ALL ALL ALL ALL about questioning all trumpers' sincerity, honesty, and truthfulness.
The reason you and all other trumpers took BBB's story at face value is because BBB’s perpetrator is NOT Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, or Clarence Thomas. Let's be real and please stop being insincere and dishonest. Please stop lying like your rapist, racist, sexist, and con-man hero Trump.
Your taken BBB's words at face value have just demonstrated that you are full of bullshit, you are dishonest, or simply you are diputs.
He's such a chicken sh**.
Quote: 777This reply is NOT NOT NOT NOT about questioning BBB's credibility or truthfulness. But it is 100% ALL ALL ALL ALL about questioning all trumpers' sincerity, honesty, and truthfulness.
The reason you and all other trumpers took BBB's story at face value is because BBB’s perpetrator is NOT Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, or Clarence Thomas. Let's be real and please stop being insincere and dishonest. Please stop lying like your rapist, racist, sexist, and con-man hero Trump.
Your taken BBB's words at face value have just demonstrated that you are full of bullshit, you are dishonest, or simply you are diputs.
I guess you've got nothing left but insulting people that you don't know at all while hiding behind a keyboard.
Oh well...
Quote: RonCWe'll see what the Creepy Porn Lawyer has...I am certainly not saying anything is assured at this point.
And we'll see how the Creepy Porn PRESIDENT reacts. Maybe he'll break out a new nickname for him.
Quote: RonCQuote: 777This reply is NOT NOT NOT NOT about questioning BBB's credibility or truthfulness. But it is 100% ALL ALL ALL ALL about questioning all trumpers' sincerity, honesty, and truthfulness.
The reason you and all other trumpers took BBB's story at face value is because BBB’s perpetrator is NOT Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, or Clarence Thomas. Let's be real and please stop being insincere and dishonest. Please stop lying like your rapist, racist, sexist, and con-man hero Trump.
Your taken BBB's words at face value have just demonstrated that you are full of bullshit, you are dishonest, or simply you are diputs.
I guess you've got nothing left but insulting people that you don't know at all while hiding behind a keyboard.
Oh well...
I agree with 777
This was a great response
Quote: FleaswatterI sincerely appreciate your answer. I do not have the words to express my deepest sympathy for the pain and suffering you have had to endure.
But
That's my response to ALL sexual assault victims including the ones accusing Trump
That's why I think Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are sickos
I have the deepest sympathy for ALL sexual assault victims regardless of politics
How many conservatives on this board have sympathy for Trumps vctims????????
Quote: terapinedQuote: RonCQuote: 777This reply is NOT NOT NOT NOT about questioning BBB's credibility or truthfulness. But it is 100% ALL ALL ALL ALL about questioning all trumpers' sincerity, honesty, and truthfulness.
The reason you and all other trumpers took BBB's story at face value is because BBB’s perpetrator is NOT Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, or Clarence Thomas. Let's be real and please stop being insincere and dishonest. Please stop lying like your rapist, racist, sexist, and con-man hero Trump.
Your taken BBB's words at face value have just demonstrated that you are full of bullshit, you are dishonest, or simply you are diputs.
I guess you've got nothing left but insulting people that you don't know at all while hiding behind a keyboard.
Oh well...
I agree with 777
This was a great response
But
That's my response to ALL sexual assault victims including the ones accusing Trump
That's why I think Bill Clinton and Donald Trump are sickos
I have the deepest sympathy for ALL sexual assault victims regardless of politics
How many conservatives on this board have sympathy for Trumps vctims????????
Glad you are okay with personal insults.
I thought more highly of you.
I've said here before that Trump is not a good person. Both he and Clinton were elected with a lot of junk out there on them. I don't think highly of either one of them. BUT both were elected President and, as President Obama said, elections have "consequences."
Quote: RonCQuote: 777This reply is NOT NOT NOT NOT about questioning BBB's credibility or truthfulness. But it is 100% ALL ALL ALL ALL about questioning all trumpers' sincerity, honesty, and truthfulness.
The reason you and all other trumpers took BBB's story at face value is because BBB’s perpetrator is NOT Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, or Clarence Thomas. Let's be real and please stop being insincere and dishonest. Please stop lying like your rapist, racist, sexist, and con-man hero Trump.
Your taken BBB's words at face value have just demonstrated that you are full of bullshit, you are dishonest, or simply you are diputs.
I guess you've got nothing left but insulting people that you don't know at all while hiding behind a keyboard.
Oh well...
No, I don’t judge a book by its cover. And yes, we are all faceless on the www, but we can judge each other based on our pattern of communicated behaviors on the www. And by the way, I don’t play the “crying baby” card to raise the “I’ve been insulted” surrender flag. If you can’t stand the heat, then get the hell out of the kitchen.
And let me finish your last sentence for you (please don't play the "crying baby" card again here by falsely complaining that I insult you because you can't write):
Oh well... the truth hurts, doesn’t it?
Quote: 777Quote: RonCQuote: 777This reply is NOT NOT NOT NOT about questioning BBB's credibility or truthfulness. But it is 100% ALL ALL ALL ALL about questioning all trumpers' sincerity, honesty, and truthfulness.
The reason you and all other trumpers took BBB's story at face value is because BBB’s perpetrator is NOT Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, or Clarence Thomas. Let's be real and please stop being insincere and dishonest. Please stop lying like your rapist, racist, sexist, and con-man hero Trump.
Your taken BBB's words at face value have just demonstrated that you are full of bullshit, you are dishonest, or simply you are diputs.
I guess you've got nothing left but insulting people that you don't know at all while hiding behind a keyboard.
Oh well...
No, I don’t judge a book by its cover. And yes, we are all faceless on the www, but we can judge each other based on our pattern of communicated behaviors on the www. And by the way, I don’t play the “crying baby” card to raise the “I’ve been insulted” surrender flag. If you can’t stand the heat, then get the hell out of the kitchen.
Oh well, the truth hurts, doesn’t it?
You are right--if the shoe fits, wear it--I said you insulted people; I could give a flying f!#/ if they do something about it here...that was not the point.
Then, like the keyboard warrior you are acting like today, you decided to toss a few more insults.
Do it all day. It proves a lot more about you than it does about anyone else.
Have a wonderful day!
Quote: RonCQuote: 777Quote: RonCQuote: 777This reply is NOT NOT NOT NOT about questioning BBB's credibility or truthfulness. But it is 100% ALL ALL ALL ALL about questioning all trumpers' sincerity, honesty, and truthfulness.
The reason you and all other trumpers took BBB's story at face value is because BBB’s perpetrator is NOT Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, or Clarence Thomas. Let's be real and please stop being insincere and dishonest. Please stop lying like your rapist, racist, sexist, and con-man hero Trump.
Your taken BBB's words at face value have just demonstrated that you are full of bullshit, you are dishonest, or simply you are diputs.
I guess you've got nothing left but insulting people that you don't know at all while hiding behind a keyboard.
Oh well...
No, I don’t judge a book by its cover. And yes, we are all faceless on the www, but we can judge each other based on our pattern of communicated behaviors on the www. And by the way, I don’t play the “crying baby” card to raise the “I’ve been insulted” surrender flag. If you can’t stand the heat, then get the hell out of the kitchen.
And let me finish your last sentence for you (please don't play the "crying baby" card again here by falsely complaining that I insult you because you can't write):
Oh well... the truth hurts, doesn’t it?
You are right--if the shoe fits, wear it--I said you insulted people; I could give a flying f!#/ if they do something about it here...that was not the point.
Then, like the keyboard warrior you are, you decided to toss a few more insults.
Do it all day. It proves a lot more about you than it does about anyone else.
Have a wonderful day!
Ha! Ha! Ha! You use the word "f!#/", you made my day!!! Love it!!!
Ha! Ha! Ha! LOL! LOL! Love to see a faceless trumper gets angry.
He will have a meeting with Trump on Thursday.
Thursday is gonna be cray cray.
Quote: 777Quote: RonCQuote: 777Quote: RonCQuote: 777This reply is NOT NOT NOT NOT about questioning BBB's credibility or truthfulness. But it is 100% ALL ALL ALL ALL about questioning all trumpers' sincerity, honesty, and truthfulness.
The reason you and all other trumpers took BBB's story at face value is because BBB’s perpetrator is NOT Trump, Brett Kavanaugh, or Clarence Thomas. Let's be real and please stop being insincere and dishonest. Please stop lying like your rapist, racist, sexist, and con-man hero Trump.
Your taken BBB's words at face value have just demonstrated that you are full of bullshit, you are dishonest, or simply you are diputs.
I guess you've got nothing left but insulting people that you don't know at all while hiding behind a keyboard.
Oh well...
No, I don’t judge a book by its cover. And yes, we are all faceless on the www, but we can judge each other based on our pattern of communicated behaviors on the www. And by the way, I don’t play the “crying baby” card to raise the “I’ve been insulted” surrender flag. If you can’t stand the heat, then get the hell out of the kitchen.
And let me finish your last sentence for you (please don't play the "crying baby" card again here by falsely complaining that I insult you because you can't write):
Oh well, the truth hurts, doesn’t it?
You are right--if the shoe fits, wear it--I said you insulted people; I could give a flying f!#/ if they do something about it here...that was not the point.
Then, like the keyboard warrior you are, you decided to toss a few more insults.
Do it all day. It proves a lot more about you than it does about anyone else.
Have a wonderful day!
Ha! Ha! Ha! You use the word "f!#/", you made my day!!! Love it!!!
Ha! Ha! Ha! LOL! LOL! Love to see a faceless trumper gets angry.
Sorry, whoever you are, I am not mad at all. It is an expression I use often about things I don't give a darn about, not one made out of angry.
I don't care about the rules about insulting, I just find generally that people insult when they have nothing left.
I do get tired of hanging out with people who label everyone who does not think like they do with names and lump them in groups, which is why I sometimes stay away for periods of time. It always gets to the point that I realize once again that there isn't much of a "conversation" here as much as some try to have one.
There is much more to life.
Quote: RonCI just find generally that people insult when they have nothing left.
Sounds a lot like what our totally mature and stable genius prez engages in.
Maybe the Creepy Porn Lawyer can turn it around.
Republicans AND Kavanaugh should be demanding an FBI investigation. The fact that they aren't, in my opinion, speaks volumes to who is telling the truth.
I have masked the f-bombs from you both. That's as far as it's going, administratively.
777. Despite this being a political thread, it's crucially important that we get beyond politics or political loyalties on this topic. So please try not to judge the others based on my case. RonC went down a couple similar partisan-left alleys, I disputed the partisanship, he was kind enough to be graceful about disagreeing.
Are both sides playing politics with this? Almost certainly. And it's worth hearing different perspectives and perceptions as things develop. But it's a mistake to judge anybody's credibility yet on either side.
Anyway, please keep talking but leave the insults and profanity behind. It's a discussion long past due. And certainly there's enough interesting and lots to say without attacking each other.Thanks.
Quote: SteverinosIt's being reported that senate republican staffers KNEW about the second allegation before it became public over the weekend. If that is true, than it becomes quite clear that Repbulicans were trying to beat the clock and rush this nomination through without the proper investigations and due process to hear the accusers.
Republicans AND Kavanaugh should be demanding an FBI investigation. The fact that they aren't, in my opinion, speaks volumes to who is telling the truth.
Yeah, that's a sticking point for me, too. Kavanagh and Judge should be demanding the FBI investigate. Judge should be demanding to testify under oath. Except none of that is happening. And from what I saw from Judge, he isn't saying it didn't happen. He said he doesn't remember it, and he doesn't want to testify.
To me, that seems significant wording, avoiding whether he has any knowledge or information, and not allowing himself to testify under oath, especially if being questioned thoroughly.
Gabe Sherman says today’s Rosenstein brouhaha was done to get Kavanaugh out of the news.
Quote: ams288Rosenstein is staying put... for now.
He will have a meeting with Trump on Thursday.
Thursday is gonna be cray cray.
I hope that Rosenstein will not act selfishly by simply resigning.
For the sake of our democracy, Rosenstein must NOT resign.
Rosenstein must continue his duty as Deputy Attorney General, and if the racist, rapist, sexist, liar, con-artist, SOB Trump wants to fire Rosenstein, so be it and our democracy will take its course and we all should wish the best for our democracy.
According to NBC News' Pete Williams, Rosenstein would not resign, and he will only depart if the White House fired him and will refuse to resign if asked to do so.
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/24/deputy-attorney-general-rod-rosenstein-is-reportedly-resigning.html
Why it matters whether Trump fires Rosenstein or he resigns
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/24/why-it-matters-whether-rosenstein-is-fired-or-he-resigns.html
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/24/every-witness-named-kavanaughs-accusers-sides-kavanaugh/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
Quote: MaxPenIt's all just libel and slander. Typical leftist BS.
https://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/09/24/every-witness-named-kavanaughs-accusers-sides-kavanaugh/amp/?__twitter_impression=true
It's unremarkable that witnesses that weren't sexually assaulted at a party wouldn't remember the party. It's also not surprising that defenders of Kavanaugh are defending Kavanaugh.
But Breitbart still deserves a Pulitzer for this reporting. Earth-shattering stuff.
Again, let's demand an FBI investigation. Win-win for everybody.
Quote: ams288Breitbart to the rescue!
The accuser is fully aware that there are witnesses who side with Kavanaugh, but still insisting on FBI investigation so that everyone (including the accuser) is placed under oath. Unfortunately the White House and the GOP refused to allow the FBI to investigate these sexual assault and harassment matters.
Quote: RonCI don't care about the rules about insulting, I just find generally that people insult when they have nothing left.
Funny, I often find profanity useful for people who just didn't like some answer I already gave them. such as:
okay you don't like that answer, then F/U. Then I usually get you didn't have a point if you have to cuss,
My response to that is F/U pinhead,
except I don't often do the last part because we get a time out,
Quote: MaxPenSince when does the FBI investigate sexual assault allegations? Sounds like a job more fit for local law enforcement.
Since the person being accused has a possible lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court. It only took 3 days for the FBI to investigate Anita Hill's accusations. I'm surprised Breitbart didn't mention this.
Quote: SteverinosSince the person being accused has a possible lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court. It only took 3 days for the FBI to investigate Anita Hill's accusations. I'm surprised Breitbart didn't mention this.
The FBI routinely conduct background check for political appointments, high profile positions, and other national security positions, and such background checks require "investigations" to make sure the candidates will not be compromised on his/her past histories of DUI, drug use, sexual assault, financial & debt or other factors, and to make sure the candidates past history will not create conflict of interests and to make sure the candidates characters and experience/knowledge fit for those job positions.
So yes, background check/investigation is a very normal routine. The background check/investigation can support or disqualify candidates, but it can also reveal criminal conduct that could lead to a SEPERATE criminal investigation that can be turned over to local, state, or other federal jurisdictions. It is worth noting that the additional background check/investigation on Brett Kavanaugh being rejected by the White House and the GOP is NOT a criminal investigation.
Quote: MaxPenSince when does the FBI investigate sexual assault allegations? Sounds like a job more fit for local law enforcement.
It's pretty well-known that the FBI always investigates sexual assault allegations that occurred when the individual alleged to have perpetrated the assault was either in high school or college AND any applicable criminal statute of limitations has long since tolled.
I mean, what do you think the FBI is supposed to do? Investigate matters pertaining to the national security? Investigate crimes that actually take place on a federal level?
Quote: SteverinosSince the person being accused has a possible lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court. It only took 3 days for the FBI to investigate Anita Hill's accusations. I'm surprised Breitbart didn't mention this.
All of her named witnesses failed to corroborate her allegations. The ship has sailed and now they have to try and find another false accuser. So they get one that takes 6 days to gather the facts of her accusations. This whole fiasco is laughable and makes it really tough on real victims. The left should be ashamed at the tactics they have lowered themselves to rely on.
Quote: rxwineFunny, I often find profanity useful for people who just didn't like some answer I already gave them. such as:
okay you don't like that answer, then F/U. Then I usually get you didn't have a point if you have to cuss,
My response to that is F/U pinhead,
except I don't often do the last part because we get a time out,
All the words we can throw around here, so long as they don't become too far out, are not a big problem to me.
Now the danged wasp that just stung me right below my eyebrow while I was trimming the stupid hedge out front...that pissed me off!
Quote: MaxPenAll of her named witnesses failed to corroborate her allegations.
None of them have done so under oath.
Mark Judge REALLY needs to be put under oath. But the GOP is terrified of what he has to say.
I want to go back to when it was the first accuser to come out, I looked at my fiancee and said, "That's one." You knew there had to be more after that, especially considering that the first person failed to accuse him of actual rape. Of course, the accusations that the first person made would be enough for some people to disqualify Kavanaugh from the SCOTUS. Didn't the left have a President who blew his load all over an intern in the Oral Office?
The first thing that springs to mind is the fact that the #ConstitutionSucks and enables both parties to stall out Supreme Court hearings, even if the President's party controls the Senate, as well. I'm actually starting to wonder if we'll just eventually stop having a Supreme Court, considering that the Constitution doesn't proscribe a maximum amount of time it should take to fill vacancies. No way we get an Amendment to that effect in this, or any other, Congress.
Anyway, that's brings me back to this particular accusation. Here we have an accusation about an alleged event between two minors in the State of Maryland that, at worst, would qualify as Sexual Assault in the Fourth Degree, a misdemeanor, which the statute of limitations is one year from the event for adults or seven years from the event after a child's 18th birthday if the incident involved a child.
Ergo, the statute of limitations is gone, gone, gone. If there had been a video documenting the alleged event, and the alleged event happened exactly as Blasey says it did, charges could STILL not be brought in the State of Maryland.
However, there is no video and there never will be. Blasey Ford can make allegations to her heart's delight, that can't possibly be criminally tried, with absolutely no repercussions from a legal aspect. Kavanaugh would never win a civil suit for Defamation of Character, because he couldn't ever PROVE the allegations absolutely untrue, even if they were AND Blasey Ford cannot suffer any criminal action for similar reasons.
In effect, tarnishing someone's name with some he-said/she-said is perfectly allowable in this country, and dare I say, encouraged by the #MeToo movement.
My personal opinion is that there should be some sort of criminal charge for alleging that someone committed a crime that the statute of limitations is up on, unless you can absolutely prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that the crime happened. Otherwise, anybody can accuse anybody else of whatever they want to accuse them of...and they can and will.
My thinking on it if the first accusation had been enough to keep Kavanaugh off the Supreme Court is that we would get a similar accuser for anyone who Trump wanted to put on the Supreme Court, provided the nominee happens to have a penis. It's no wonder the Republicans are standing their ground on this one, one could hardly blame them for doing so, because had the first accusations worked...well, just think about it.
Whether it would be a SCOTUS nominee, a Presidential candidate or someone running for House or Senate all you would have to do is get someone who knew the person as a kid to make a #MeToo type accusation against the person. I think many #MeToo accusations are true, so I say don't wait for an opportune time, let's just get out with it everything that everyone has. But do it now, because eventually there really needs to be some sort of penalty for making accusations from so far in the past that nobody could expect the, "Witnesses," to even remember accurately, much less have any absolute proof for or against.
Anyway, isolating it to just the first accuser, suppose he had admitted it? Should that really disqualify him from the SCOTUS? Something that he did at a drunk party back in High School? Does all of that somehow nullify the judicial accomplishments that make him a reasonable SCOTUS nominee to begin with? Again, Blasey Ford makes no accusations of rape or anything beyond, at worst, MAYBE misdemeanor Sexual Assault in the Fourth Degree.
Besides, aren't Liberals all about getting prisons less overcrowded, attempting to do actual rehabilitation on criminals and reducing minimum sentencing requirements? So, like, we can eventually forgive actual adults pushing drugs in our public schools but not someone who MAY HAVE had a moment of drunken stupidity as a kid?
Which brings us back to Clinton, really, because at least something was PROVEN to have happened there. He got to continue running the entire country from an Executive standpoint.
It starts with one, as I said, so now we have a second accuser who after six days with lawyers finally accurately remembers her drunken night at a college party 35 years ago. I usually need to consult with lawyers when I want to try to remember stuff, too. Either that, or when I want to know how far I can go with something without risking exposing myself to potential legal trouble.
This allegation is a bit more serious because at least his penis made an alleged appearance this time and this person, whatever the hell her name is, allegedly touched it when pushing him away. I'm not even sure what the charge here would be, I'm guessing Misdemeanor Indecent Exposure...but even if you could argue for a felony...the Statute of Limitations for any possible applicable felony is five years in the State of Connecticut.
And, once again, it's something that there is going to be no evidence available to absolutely prove right or wrong. But, again, it's going to be something for which the accuser faces no legal consequences for making such an allegation without being able to prove it, despite the statute of limitations being up.
That brings us to Attorney Michael Avenatti on a temporary hiatus from representing #NationalHero and, by definition, whore Stormy Daniels. Just looking at Michael Avenatti makes me want to take a bath in rubbing alcohol to cleanse myself. Anyway, there's a third accuser, and she's alleging actual gang rape...you knew someone would have to pull that out eventually.
I'll be glad when we have a society where women don't have to be scared to speak up if these sorts of things happen to them because people who do sexual crimes against women deserve to be punished. However, while the statute of limitations does not exist to protect criminals, it does exist so that accusations must be made in a reasonable timeframe to protect the accused. Sometimes the accused is innocent, sometimes not.
Either way, I think the Liberals have their playbook, depending on how all this plays out. If you don't like a guy and he may well take a nominated or elected position, just make a sexual assault allegation that he can't prove wrong.
"But 27 years ago, when Anita Hill accused then-Supreme Court nominee Clarence Thomas of sexual harassment, the FBI investigated her claims, interviewed witnesses and completed its report in just two days." pbsQuote: SteverinosSince the person being accused has a possible lifetime appointment to the Supreme Court. It only took 3 days for the FBI to investigate Anita Hill's accusations. I'm surprised Breitbart didn't mention this.
It is really tough to keep stories straight when so many narratives are issued into the ether.
He's already done that, and the accusor has not:Quote: ams288None of them have done so under oath.
Mark Judge REALLY needs to be put under oath. But the GOP is terrified of what he has to say.
"Senate Judiciary
Verified account @senjudiciary
Staff contacted Mark Judge and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted third person allegedly at party described by Dr. Ford and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted fourth person allegedly at party.
10:18 AM - 20 Sep 2018" twitter
Quote: SanchoPanzaHe's already done that, and the accusor has not:
"Senate Judiciary
Verified account @senjudiciary
Staff contacted Mark Judge and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted third person allegedly at party described by Dr. Ford and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted fourth person allegedly at party.
10:18 AM - 20 Sep 2018" twitter
Oh cool. Did they ask him about his penchant for getting high school girls drunk and having multiple guys f*** them while they were incapacitated?
No?
How in the world could you know what penchants Judge had 36 years ago?Quote: ams288Quote: SanchoPanzaHe's already done that, and the accusor has not:
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Staff contacted Mark Judge and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted third person allegedly at party described by Dr. Ford and obtained a statement under penalty of felony. Staff contacted fourth person allegedly at party.
10:18 AM - 20 Sep 2018" twitter
Oh cool. Did they ask him about his penchant for getting high school girls drunk and having multiple guys f*** them while they were incapacitated?
No?
Quote: ams288
Oh cool. Did they ask him about his penchant for getting high school girls drunk and having multiple guys f*** them while they were incapacitated?
No?
Yeah, being able to state these sorts of things as fact with absolutely zero proof or repercussions is totally how our society should work.
Quote: Mission146Yeah, being able to state these sorts of things as fact with absolutely zero proof or repercussions is totally how our society should work.
Let’s get him under oath and get to the bottom of it.
Oh wait, the GOP won’t let that happen.
Wonder why....
Quote: Mission146Yeah, being able to state these sorts of things as fact with absolutely zero proof or repercussions is totally how our society should work.
Avenatti is claiming to have evidence of Kavanaugh's involvement in gang rapes.
Sounds like he's putting his career on the line with this one.
Quote: ams288Let’s get him under oath and get to the bottom of it.
Oh wait, the GOP won’t let that happen.
Wonder why....
Isn't he going under oath on Thursday to testify?
This didn't happen in isolation. There was an entire culture of privilege and superiority. The 100 Keg Club. "What happens at GP stays at GP". All-male "tit and clit" secret society at Yale. Trains getting pulled. Animal House type frat. Private, high-dollar schools of ancestry and destiny.
There was massive drinking in all cases I've heard about. Impaired judgment, loss of inhibition and discretion, hazy recollection, blackouts, puking contests.
It's entirely possible NOBODY is lying. There is no particular reason for Kavanaugh or Judge to remember that high school party over any other. From THEIR point of view, they didn't get laid, one drunk party runs into the next, girls were usually invited, he got turned down. Next. It's all in fun. 5 minutes, no more time needed than a bathroom break, who would notice them gone?
From HER point of view, 15 is a very different age than 17, she was maybe not drinking (I haven't heard whether she was drunk, but she says they were extremely drunk), and she was trapped by older, bigger guys who were being forceful. Yeah, SHE'S going to remember it.
The mistake he made was the flat denial. If he had said, "I don't remember this happening. It doesn't sound like me. But I was drinking a lot that year, there were girls at our parties, I could have gone too far with someone, I guess. Nothing happened, so there was nothing to remember about it."
"I've grown up and learned better, left that teenage stuff behind, and it doesn't change the hard work I've done my whole adult life to become qualified for this job."
Too much to expect him to be gracious enough to apologize (which he could have done without admitting guilt, as above), since she was apparently traumatized whether he remembers doing it or not, but it would have been the perfect way to show maturity, social conscience, and humility.
If he had come to answer with a response like this, it would be over and he would have been confirmed today. That's the part I don't understand. There's every plausible opportunity for it to have happened.
You can say that's kind of how Franken approached his accusations, and you'd be right: he's still gone. But that's where the scales are unbalanced. The Democrats are condemning anyone who ever made a mistake. The Republicans don't force their people out over personal flaws or offenses towards women (these days). That goes back at least to Anita Hill, probably further. They seem to reserve their scorn and shunning for their members who hit on boys, if at all.
So Kavanaugh should have (imo) done as above, and he'd have lost nothing.
Same thing would have covered the degenerency at Yale. He's stinking drunk, drops trou on a girl known to be shy, they all have a huge laugh, over and done. He'll never think of it again.
Except SHE'S going to remember it very differently. She's saving herself, is shy and introverted, hasn't seen or touched a naked, aroused man in her life, is trying to be social and learning to hold her drink as a freshman, and unexpectedly has THAT in her face in front of a crowd of new friends and potential dates. When she tries to get away from it, she touches him there pushing him.
Nice introduction to sex and male equipment for a girl who's been protected from it all her life. Yeah, she's going to remember that moment, even if she didn't circle the date on her calendar. Humiliation and shame really engraves a memory.
So, I don't think it's out of the question that everyone is being truthful.
One other thing to consider: I read at least once that his contemporaries said he was quiet, polite, and nice, EXCEPT that he was a different person when he was drunk. Got loud, gregarious, wild. Liked women. Sorry, I don't know where I saw that. Maybe someone else has a quote.
Quote: TigerWuAvenatti is claiming to have evidence of Kavanaugh's involvement in gang rapes.
Sounds like he's putting his career on the line with this one.
Cool, I have no problems with statements of fact being made as such once something has been proven to be a fact.
Hopefully they’ll get him to say this under oath on Thursday. Then any woman who had *consensual* sex with him during that time could come forward and prove he’s a liar.
