Invite Rob Singer to this forum
I have read the meeting between Mr Singer and The Wizard.
He seems to be straight up with his website and his betting systems.
Interesting how he does a denomination progression as he plays.
My point is "He said this" and "She said that" and He said hello goodbye" is meaningless. Has NO value.
When I am home in Spain this weekend I will contact him and see if he wants to post his ideas and proofs.
He has replied to my emails in the past, and I am nobody special to him, and he will either say yes or no.
WE do not need any more name callings.
Proof and facts please.
Quote: nope27I say we invite Rob Singer to this forum.
I have read the meeting between Mr Singer and The Wizard.
He seems to be straight up with his website and his betting systems.
Interesting how he does a denomination progression as he plays.
My point is "He said this" and "She said that" and He said hello goodbye" is meaningless. Has NO value.
When I am home in Spain this weekend I will contact him and see if he wants to post his ideas and proofs.
He has replied to my emails in the past, and I am nobody special to him, and he will either say yes or no.
WE do not need any more name callings.
Proof and facts please.
There's a 99% chance he's already here, under some pseudonym.
since you are from Europe you must realize that us Americans can be very rude at times.
Here at WoV forums, the threads get hijacked many times but you can flag those posts for removal if you elect to do so.
"you are encouraged to flag that post as inappropriate. When enough members have flagged a post as inappropriate, it will be automatically removed." is how the forum rules are stated.
I do not know if it can be done for hijacked threads.
It would make long threads easier to follow when there are 2 topics in one thread going on, I must agree.
Rob Singer may enjoy another challenge, but has shown in the past that his challenges have also gone unaccepted.
The Wizard may have the best chance at getting proof, bank statements, tax returns and casino records that would prove for once and for all where the truth lies.
Here's the words in the newsletter, and a link to the video that accompanied it.
Well I’ve been trying to get out of here the past few days. We have some guests over from Scotland who were supposed to leave for home a few days ago--and Cindy & I were headed to Hawaii--but my friend had a heart attack scare at the emergency room and all our flights had to be changed. So now we’re involved in the mish-mash of airline ticket changes. Being in the hands of the airlines is one big turn-off to me, but there’s no other way around it. However, it looks like we’ll all be off tomorrow morning, finally.
I took the opportunity to explain what being a vp pro really means in today’s e-newsletter. So many people bring it up all the time, and it’s not an easy task getting aspiring gamblers to comprehend all that it takes to do it right. And, as I’ve seen first hand, the ONLY proper way to go after that goal is to follow what I’ve done exactly as I have done it. Thinking you’re going to be some kind of advantage player who can beat the casinos at their own game is absoultely absurd, and is a recipe for disaster from the start. You’ll hear about a few of those whom are testimony to what I’m talking about, in my video.
One more very important point: Whenever you are treated to the fantastic theories about "playing for a profit" by the math people who just can’t get it right themselves, ask me to tell you what’s REALLY behind their claims before accepting what they have to say as gospel. Some people like to pretend that there are dozens of "AP pros" that have been restricted at certain casinos because they’re so very feared, but when I did an article on that BS for Gaming Today I discovered the true reality of the issue. Turns out, certain casinos that have positive EV games or games that can theoretically be positive on multiple points days, do restrict players, but they restrict EVERYBODY who plays! The famous names and math people took that as Carte Blanche to proclaim THEY have been restricted because they play so well! I understand that type of spin can make for more sales for the famous names, but all it does to the others is create a totally false scenario.
What about casino bannings? Again, I know I have been banned from playing at 3 casinos in my professional career, and I’ve provided proof on two occasions. When Bellagio banned me about a week before Harrah’s in LV did, I provided the letter from Bellagio and the e-mail from Harrah’s to my Gaming Today publisher so they had support when the jealous callers started their usual Rob Singer ranting. The Bellagio letter was actually printed in the paper. Currently, even though I no longer play professionally, I am on a lifetime ban from playing vp at Planet Hollywood, aka Harrah’s today. In contrast, I HAVE NEVER, EVER SEEN ANY OF THE SO-CALLED GURUS, FAMOUS NAMES OR HIGH-LIMIT-PLAYING MATH PEOPLE PROVIDE ANY PROOF WHATSOEVER ANYWHERE TO SUPPORT THEIR LIMP-WRISTED CLAIMS OF BEING BANNED ANYWHERE. It just doesn’t happen to people who chase promotions and positive EV plays all over town.
Until next week sometime....ALOHA!
Rob
http://app.talkfusion.com/fusion2/view.asp?NjEyMDUy_3575859
Also, I located that Gaming Today article where he challenged Huntington press people in 2005. It's also on his site:
http://www.vptruth.com/articlesdetail.cfm?Counter=267
Quote: 7crapsThe Wizard may have the best chance at getting proof, bank statements, tax returns and casino records that would prove for once and for all where the truth lies.
Ask and you shall receive.
I caught the part "truth lies"
That is what cracks me up about American English!
I appreciate the compliments he gave me. He starts to talk about me about the 3:10 point. For the record, at the time I met him, my profits from advantage play were from sports betting and non-poker tournaments, specifically blackjack, baccarat, and craps. I don't claim to be a professional poker player. On the contrary, I admitted I'm pretty lousy at poker in a blog entry.
Today, I'm not invited to many tournaments any more, so have to rely on sports betting only. It is true that I've lost a lot of money playing video poker. However, almost all of it has been on negative games I played to get invited to tournaments. I figured the expected loss was less than the value of the tournament invitations. Also, I'm quite sure my actual results are south of expectations, but not significantly. Probably about one standard deviation. Singer would disagree, but you can't beat video poker straight up, unless you're content to play 25¢ games. You need the free play and other comps to come out ahead over the long run.
I've only got a few minutes right now and I haven't read much yet, but I will later today and I'll be back tomorrow. I'm not much into being addicted to gaming-related forums any longer but I'll do my best to straighten out any of you who need it--and I can see there's one or two here already. I won't be visiting every day--esp. not on weekends--and I'll check in once a day when time permits.
My website is coming down in Jan. because I've had a huge success with my video e-newsletters, and what better way to disseminate information. Anyone who wants to join can do for free just by sendin me an e-mail to: rob_singer@q.com or rsinger1111@cox.net I always give some books away too whenever I join a new forum, so all I need is a ship-to address.
RS
Quote: WizardSo lets all try to behave.
Why? most people havent so far :P
Welcome Rob. And Good Luck.
Quote: WizardI just played Rob Singer's video.
I appreciate the compliments he gave me. He starts to talk about me about the 3:10 point. For the record, at the time I met him, my profits from advantage play were from sports betting and non-poker tournaments, specifically blackjack, baccarat, and craps. I don't claim to be a professional poker player. On the contrary, I admitted I'm pretty lousy at poker in a blog entry.
Today, I'm not invited to many tournaments any more, so have to rely on sports betting only. It is true that I've lost a lot of money playing video poker. However, almost all of it has been on negative games I played to get invited to tournaments. I figured the expected loss was less than the value of the tournament invitations. Also, I'm quite sure my actual results are south of expectations, but not significantly. Probably about one standard deviation. Singer would disagree, but you can't beat video poker straight up, unless you're content to play 25¢ games. You need the free play and other comps to come out ahead over the long run.
Based on your last sentence, are your saying Dancer doesn't beat video poker? I know you two are buddies but I would like a straight answer. Or is it true what singer contends that he (dancer) couldn't make a living without all the extra's he sells. If you listen to all of dancer's words he claims he makes a living at "PLAYING VIDEO POKER", and I would like to know who and what to believe.
Quote: thlfBased on your last sentence, are your saying Dancer doesn't beat video poker? I know you two are buddies but I would like a straight answer. Or is it true what singer contends that he (dancer) couldn't make a living without all the extra's he sells. If you listen to all of dancer's words he claims he makes a living at "PLAYING VIDEO POKER", and I would like to know who and what to believe.
I'm quite sure that Bob Dancer would say that he "beats video poker." However, that would have to include cash back, free play, mailers, tournaments, and other promotions. Simply one on one against the machine, I'm sure he would say he is down. A good example of the kind of thing he and I do is the occasional double point promotions at MGM casinos. Normally free play is worth 0.22%, and shopping points about 0.11%. That makes the total return on 9-6 jacks on a regular day 99.54% + 0.22% + 0.11% = 99.87%. Double the points and you're at 100.20%. So you're still playing a 99.54% game, but get over 100% with the points.
I don't know how Bob's income is divided between video poker and his side business of teaching others to play. You would have to ask him.
I do know that RS has talked about the Bob Dancer phenomenon in his newsletters, and it seems to add up to me. Singer says he himself has made a living playing vp since 2000 or somewhere around there, he doesn't sell or get paid for anything related to vp other than his old books, and he only uses cash won right from the machines as income. The slot club stuff is gravy according to him.
I can't make heads or tails about Bob D. from what he says and does. I don't doubt he gets TONS from his slot club card and all the gifts etc., but I don't see how he wins anything. RS points out that Dancer always writes about his supposed on-going conquests, the expensive gifts he's constantly showered with, his raping of particular slot clubs, and how these casinos all know who he "really" is. So if that's true, what casino manager worth his salt would allow this to occur often and for all these years? But apparently they all do. RS also points out this is why Dancer still works for J. Compton and gets paid to teach classes and for his advice and time, he needs the cash in order to keep on playing high limits because he does not beat the machines. He is known to be working both sides of the fence, which I don't blame him for if he wants to make a living. I CAN say I have his WinPoker software and it's always been a great fun tool for me at home.
Quote: RobSingerI'm back from my trip via a quick stopover at the HRH where we saw the greatest show we've ever seen Sunday night: Van Morrison. What I can't believe is at my age I went to The Joint to see it.
So good you saw him live!
Yes, but Van Morrison is GREAT live. He is a true all time great musician and performer.
Quote: RobSinger
My website is coming down in Jan. because I've had a huge success with my video e-newsletters, and what better way to disseminate information. Anyone who wants to join can do for free just by sendin me an e-mail to: rob_singer@q.com or rsinger1111@cox.net I always give some books away too whenever I join a new forum, so all I need is a ship-to address.
RS
Question: Do you have e-books available? That format is the new technology!
Do not remove your website!
There are inexpensive host services and I know of a very good webmaster that does not charge a monthly or yearly fee to update and maintain basic sites. And he seems to already like you, if that matters.
Your site looks to be very basic. If interested PM me.
Would be a loss to not have access to your information through a website.
Welcome to the Wizard's forum.
Quote: WizardI'm quite sure that Bob Dancer would say that he "beats video poker." However, that would have to include cash back, free play, mailers, tournaments, and other promotions. Simply one on one against the machine, I'm sure he would say he is down. A good example of the kind of thing he and I do is the occasional double point promotions at MGM casinos. Normally free play is worth 0.22%, and shopping points about 0.11%. That makes the total return on 9-6 jacks on a regular day 99.54% + 0.22% + 0.11% = 99.87%. Double the points and you're at 100.20%. So you're still playing a 99.54% game, but get over 100% with the points.
I don't know how Bob's income is divided between video poker and his side business of teaching others to play. You would have to ask him.
It's still possible to beat VP "straight up", i.e., without cashback, mailers, slot club bennies, etc. figured in. However, at the stakes Dancer plays, it ain't no longer possible to do that. But the .25 player can still gather in about $10/hr at any one of a couple of dozen places in Vegas.
Dancer is also content with very, very small edges that are dependent on ultra-precise play. To make it worthwhile to play with these tiny edges, he has to play at high denominations. To fade the attendant variance, he has to have (and, apparently has) a massive bankroll. In other words, his experience is as different from ours as that of a race car driver is from someone driving their Prius through rush hour traffic.
As far as Singer goes, his assertion that Dancer "couldn't" make a living without his sideline business is flat out nonsense. Singer doesn't acknowledge the validity of Dancer's methods because his and Dancer's approaches are antithetical. Dancer relies on working extremely hard to squeeze every thousandth of a percent of EV out of the games he plays. Singer relies on "wishing will make it so", as, I think, Tinkerbell used to say. In a contest between Bob Dancer and Tinkerbell, I have to bet against the fairy.
Quote: mkl654321It's still possible to beat VP "straight up", i.e., without cashback, mailers, slot club bennies, etc. figured in. However, at the stakes Dancer plays, it ain't no longer possible to do that. But the .25 player can still gather in about $10/hr at any one of a couple of dozen places in Vegas.
Dancer is also content with very, very small edges that are dependent on ultra-precise play. To make it worthwhile to play with these tiny edges, he has to play at high denominations. To fade the attendant variance, he has to have (and, apparently has) a massive bankroll. In other words, his experience is as different from ours as that of a race car driver is from someone driving their Prius through rush hour traffic.
As far as Singer goes, his assertion that Dancer "couldn't" make a living without his sideline business is flat out nonsense. Singer doesn't acknowledge the validity of Dancer's methods because his and Dancer's approaches are antithetical. Dancer relies on working extremely hard to squeeze every thousandth of a percent of EV out of the games he plays. Singer relies on "wishing will make it so", as, I think, Tinkerbell used to say. In a contest between Bob Dancer and Tinkerbell, I have to bet against the fairy.
Anyone who talks about there being video poker players out there who either "make X dollars/hour" or "CAN make X dollars/hour" before they actually do it or without having proof or knowing anything for a fact including how accurate they truly do play, is writing from deep inside fantasyland. Try to convince the various casino managers that these people are doing this to them. Better yet, contemplate the glaring reason why you failed to discuss how such a casino-killer armed with a fistfull of Diamond level slot club cards is of no concern to them.
Dancer is a slick operator, and his savvy is far more noticeable when he's selling himself and his products and/or services. How do you know how big his gambling bankroll is? From all appearances and by his own admission in his columns, he's getting substantial wages from working his various jobs. Really just like myself and a lot of other high limit players. Common sense also says that anyone successful in gambling would in no way bother to hold down multiple jobs, especially at his age. mkl, you have to be able to add 1+1 and live with the answer before making all those assertions about the guy.
We'll let Singer address your namecalling of him if he wishes. But be very ready to visit that woodshed once again.
Quote: JerryLoganAnyone who talks about there being video poker players out there who either "make X dollars/hour" or "CAN make X dollars/hour" before they actually do it or without having proof or knowing anything for a fact including how accurate they truly do play, is writing from deep inside fantasyland. Try to convince the various casino managers that these people are doing this to them. Better yet, contemplate the glaring reason why you failed to discuss how such a casino-killer armed with a fistfull of Diamond level slot club cards is of no concern to them.
We'll let Singer address your namecalling of him if he wishes. But be very ready to visit that woodshed once again.
Just because you've lacked the skill, intellect, or persistence to do that, Jerry, doesn't mean it can't be done. But the main reason I know it can be done is that I did it for almost ten years. Believe that or don't--I care not. I can see, however, why you might not want to: it's SOOO much easier to be lazy and worship at the Church of Singer than to learn basic gambling mathematics and the proper strategies for each game. This, of course, leads to the constant losing that is your lot, and the sad part is that you could be a winner, and YES, Jerry, make that X dollars an hour--if you didn't succumb to the urge to rationalize.
I doubt that Singer will be able to bring anything substantive to this board, but he is the one who will no doubt be taken to your metaphorical woodshed, and not just by me. There's a very low tolerance for system hucksters and other frauds here, your own credulity notwithstanding. The Wizard is being exceptionally gracious to allow him a voice here--Singer is the very antithesis of the logic and careful analysis that is the Wizard's hallmark.
Quote: EvenBobHonestly, I never heard of the guy. But what I question is, if he can do everything he says, why is he talking about it? Anywhere, to anybody. I know a couple people who win consistantly and they NEVER discuss it, let alone give details. The more people who know what you do, the less of a playing field it gives you. Also, when you do a video, try not to do it in a cap and tee shirt, it makes you look like somebody who just got released from jail this morning.
I believe he talks and writes about his success and the con the others put on, because he wants to help other players understand video poker the best they can. He doesn't play professionally any longer and I know you haven't followed him, but he is the one video poker player who's ever published casino letters in a LV paper that have banned him because of his winning. What do the Dancers of the world do? Yup, they just write about how they're "restricted" and we're all supposed to go out and buy all their product line of items because of the aura they've built up around themselves.
By the way, have you ever asked the question of Dancer about how he can write about being such a constant year-after-year winner, ie, telling it to "everybody everywhere", and still have the casinos invite him in for years on end, ie, "keep his playing field untouched"?
You also need to watch more of his videos. He may dress like those "incognito winners" you speak of, but he's shown a good portion of how he lives in a couple of his video enewsletters. I should be so relaxed.
Quote: mkl654321Just because you've lacked the skill, intellect, or persistence to do that, Jerry, doesn't mean it can't be done. But the main reason I know it can be done is that I did it for almost ten years. Believe that or don't--I care not. I can see, however, why you might not want to: it's SOOO much easier to be lazy and worship at the Church of Singer than to learn basic gambling mathematics and the proper strategies for each game. This, of course, leads to the constant losing that is your lot, and the sad part is that you could be a winner, and YES, Jerry, make that X dollars an hour--if you didn't succumb to the urge to rationalize.
I doubt that Singer will be able to bring anything substantive to this board, but he is the one who will no doubt be taken to your metaphorical woodshed, and not just by me. There's a very low tolerance for system hucksters and other frauds here, your own credulity notwithstanding. The Wizard is being exceptionally gracious to allow him a voice here--Singer is the very antithesis of the logic and careful analysis that is the Wizard's hallmark.
I lack what it takes to play the AP way, but I also lack the ability to do it the Singer way. Lazy I am not, but what I can easily see is that the Singer method starts off with the optimal play you speak so highly of, then kicks it up several notches. From your comments it's a certainty you have no real knowledge of what he does, yet you choose to assert. To me, that makes YOU the lazy white man.
I don't know what will come of Singer posting on this board. But one thing I've noticed across the gaming community, is when he appears forums light up. The administrators like all the hits, and more and more people are attracted as word gets out. I've seen his threads set records on LVA, Rex, videopoker.com and vpfree, and sometimes even after he's been banned. You contend that he's a huckster and a fraud, but he's had 2 books published, he wrote for Gambling Today for almost 10 years, I saw him on TV several times, I've listened to him speak on the radio including ESPN, and he's done podcasts and interviews including one with the Wizard that depicted him a million miles away from as you claim.
Give him a shot before shoveling dirt on him.
Quote: JerryLogan
You also need to watch more of his videos..
I never trust any gambler who 'goes public'. If you're winning a lot of money, you wouldn't (go public). Its only because you aren't doing all that well, but want to convince others you know what you're doing. If I have a gold mine, the last thing I do is hang up a sign pointing out where it is. And puleeze. They ALL say its because they want to 'help' people. They are all Mother Teresa in disguise. One of the oldest sayings in the world is 'Those who can do it, do it. Those who can't, teach.' Think about it.
Quote: boymimboI don't subscribe to this notion. There's no reason why you wouldn't make money from what you are doing ***and*** teach it to someone else and make more money.
For every person you teach, the harder it's for you to make money. Did Thorp help himself by writing his BJ book? He almost destroyed the game. Doyle Brunson wrote his big poker book and has said a hundred times he wished he hadn't. Running your mouth when you have a winning gambling system destroys the system. It alerts the casinos to what you're doing and has hundreds of others trying to copy you. The only time its worthwhile is when you have nothing and want to make a big name for yourself.
Forget Singer
A Waste of Money
Dangerous and misleading
NONSENSE
Undeniably awful
Book's premise is false
Absolute crap
Just awful in every way
The Undeniable truth is that Singer doesn't have a clue
Then there are the obligatory reviews written by friends and relatives, which are worthless.
Quote: EvenBobI never trust any gambler who 'goes public'. If you're winning a lot of money, you wouldn't (go public). Its only because you aren't doing all that well, but want to convince others you know what you're doing. If I have a gold mine, the last thing I do is hang up a sign pointing out where it is. And puleeze. They ALL say its because they want to 'help' people. They are all Mother Teresa in disguise. One of the oldest sayings in the world is 'Those who can do it, do it. Those who can't, teach.' Think about it.
I gleaned two things from your post.
1. You believe Bob Dancer is a liar. Who's more public than him?
2. You believe because RS likes to help people for free, he's just as full of it as the Dancers and Paymar's of the world who all want your money for the same service.
Personally, I believe that the person who goes out there and teaches people for free is a hell of a lot more credible than those who charge you for it.
Quote: boymimboI don't subscribe to this notion. There's no reason why you wouldn't make money from what you are doing ***and*** teach it to someone else and make more money.
But that's not the angle. What "elderly man" would WANT to work if he were so very successful at pushing buttons on a game in a casino? Conversely, obviously someone who is not successful at the game would HAVE to work if he wants to live and keep playing.
Finally, what casino manager is going to hire someone and pay them to teach a class on how to beat that casino out of money? The smell test is being seriously violated here.
Quote: EvenBobJust for fun I looked up Singer's book "The Undeniable Truth About Video Poker' on Amazon. Here are the headings from about half the reviews:
Forget Singer
A Waste of Money
Dangerous and misleading
NONSENSE
Undeniably awful
Book's premise is false
Absolute crap
Just awful in every way
The Undeniable truth is that Singer doesn't have a clue
Then there are the obligatory reviews written by friends and relatives, which are worthless.
Yes, Singer said something about those recently after the author of every one of the bad reviews died earlier this year. I think the guy was a vp salesman named Skip Hughes who hated Rob for years. But again, just like I've seen on the forums when the envious get involved and are awfully angry over the guy, they focus is on things like this and not on his actual gaming resume that I posted previously. That has always amazed me.
Quote: JerryLoganYes, Singer said something about those recently after the author of every one of the bad reviews died earlier this year.
LOL!!!!! Thats what they ALWAYS say, only I thought Singer would say it. Too funny. All bad reviews are always left by competitors, according to the author. Nobody couls ever read a book and leave a bad review, thats out of the question.
https://wizardofodds.com/news/Chat-wih-Rob-Singer.html
edit: I remember reading this now when it first appeared, and had forgotten about it.
Quote: EvenBobLOL!!!!! Thats what they ALWAYS say, only I thought Singer would say it. Too funny. All bad reviews are always left by competitors, according to the author. Nobody couls ever read a book and leave a bad review, thats out of the question.
He didn't just "say it" Bob, he posted ISP proof and other gotchas. Then Hughes was forced to come out and admit to it.
Quote: thlfI'll add my two cents in about singer. I've known of him for about 8 years. I've read a lot of his stuff. I even tried his strategy's. I even tried to meet with him one time and he didn't show up. One thing I have never heard though is someone come forward and say, I met with Rob, he taught me, and now I am consistently making money playing video poker using his strategies. In over 8 years not one successful follower coming forward.
What you need to do is do more than just know of him. He addresses every issue anyone on the forums brings up at one time or another, either in articles or on his newsletters. That's why he makes for very intriguing reading and listening.
I wouldn't think it's an easy task playing his strategies and consistently winning with them. Hell, people can't even get optimal play down pat, people like me. Also, you may not belong to the vp forums, but there has been a LOT of others chiming in about how they now win when they never could with advantage play or any other kind of play. And you know what happens as soon as that is said? He has several stalkers who seek out any of his supporters (and you can tell it's out of terrible jealousy), then they go on the attack and either scare these people away and/or make it impossible for others to say anything positive about the guy for fear of being banned by the AP administrators. Not everyone has the thick skin Singer seems to have.
I wish Singer would come back on so you could confront him about the claim of he didn't show up. He constantly says that he has never missed an appointment without first notifying the other party, and he claims to have had thousands. I wonder if you'd identify whatever handle you used whenever it was, or are you like the other guy who just asserts the non-show and won't tell anyone who he was back then? Unless that occurs, there's no credibility in any claims. Besides, if he had the gonads to show up at a meet with a famous critic such as the Wizard, why would anyone believe the words of nobodys?
What I'd like to see is Singer have another meet with the Wizard and maybe some other astute gamblers here, where he thoroughly explained every aspect of his strategy so the first true outside analysis ever could be made. He's always complaining about how that type of meeting always gets talked up, but never happens. Maybe this can be the vehicle to make that happen. I'd attend if the timing's right, but more importantly, I might buckle down and try to seriously learn a better method than I'm using now.
Quote: thlfIn over 8 years not one successful follower coming forward.
He'll say they've been sworn to silence, thats what they always say.
Quote: cardsharkI'm tired of hearing all about how Singer is this or that. Just tell me the damn strategy so I can judge for myself!
I was just reading and playing a few of his FREE strategies he says he uses at:
http://www.vptruth.com/stratsingleplay.cfm
It is all about going up in denominations 25c,50c,$1,$2,$5 etc on the same machine as your hands end in a loss after x hands have been played at a certain denomination. Interesting.
Quote: 7winnerI was just reading and playing a few of his FREE strategies he says he uses at:
http://www.vptruth.com/stratsingleplay.cfm
I just read a bunch of his articles on his site. What a bunch of nonsense. All about how great he is, how lame everybody else is, and how much money he makes. Bleah. He says things like "Indian casino play is one of the main reasons why" there is so many foreclosures, divorce, and white collar crime. He's full of crap. There isn't a shred of evidence this is true, its just his lame opinion because he can't beat the machines at Indian casinos.
Quote: cardsharkI'm tired of hearing all about how Singer is this or that. Just tell me the damn strategy so I can judge for myself!
It's a Martingale, the oldest gambling "system" in the world. Basically, you start with the lowest denomination on the machine, and the minimum number of coins, then keep increasing number of coins, then denomination (according to some cockamamie formula) as you keep losing, until finally, at some poiint, you win a hand that gets you ahead by fifty cents. You then immediately cash out, and go tell the world that you're a winner. You then let some period of time elapse, and do it all over again. Then you write a book.
I should hasten to add that the above description is only an approximation of Singer's system. The complete system, as explained by Singer, is far dumber than that.
Quote: mkl654321
I should hasten to add that the above description is only an approximation of Singer's system. The complete system, as explained by Singer, is far dumber than that.
Dumber and harder to understand and implement. Those who can win, win. Those who can't, write books about it.
Quote: EvenBobDumber and harder to understand and implement. Those who can win, win. Those who can't, write books about it.
Looks and smells like jealousy and misrepresnetations galore. We see that time and again all over the forums whenever Singer's name appears.
BTW Bob, I bought both his books and expected to read about how to win. But instead, and once again apparently against what you assert without knowledge, his first book is about how NOT to play because he says it's a loser that promotes addiction. His 2nd book is a very entertaining detail of a 5 week trip he took around the state of Nevada, and not just to gamble.
From what I understand about his strategy, it has nothing to do with Martingale. There's no doubling down on losing bets and he doesn't quit and claim he's a winner if he wins 50c. I hope he appears again. I would love to see him put you people in your place.
Quote: JerryLoganLooks and smells like jealousy and misrepresnetations galore. We see that time and again all over the forums whenever Singer's name appears.
LOL! You mean you see the truth whenever his name comes up.
Quote: EvenBobLOL! You mean you see the truth whenever his name comes up.
No, but you're like a whining little baby scrambling around searching for more pointless & factless assertions when it comes to him. If he truly does torment you as much as you depict here, you have more of an interest in him than you are purporting to have.
Quote: JerryLoganNo, but you're like a whining little baby scrambling around searching for more pointless & factless assertions when it comes to him. If he truly does torment you as much as you depict here, you have more of an interest in him than you are purporting to have.
Jerry, maybe you can go into great detail about what Singer has taught you and how much cash you've made because of it. I'm not talking about gambling advice, I mean where and how to make the next bet.
Quote: EvenBobJerry, maybe you can go into great detail about what Singer has taught you and how much cash you've made because of it. I'm not talking about gambling advice, I mean where and how to make the next bet.
No can do. I've already stated that I play my own way and haven't the patience to do any work in order to play vp. I do, however, read, and what he says does make some sense even to me. And at the same time, what people like mkl654321 says and what Dancer does and says (which contains much hypocrisy and contradiction) do not make nearly as much sense.
Quote: JerryLoganNo can do.
Another satisfied student, folks.
Quote: JerryLoganLooks and smells like jealousy and misrepresnetations galore. We see that time and again all over the forums whenever Singer's name appears.
That is an unfair characterization. What has been presented here (and elsewhere) are series of basic questions about the method, about the results, about the substantiation and about the ability to duplicate or reproduce any of those results for anything resembling a consistent basis.
Quote: SanchoPanzaThat is an unfair characterization. What has been presented here (and elsewhere) are series of basic questions about the method, about the results, about the substantiation and about the ability to duplicate or reproduce any of those results for anything resembling a consistent basis.
Questions about the method and results are fine. I've seen him do basic explanations elsewhere as well as explain how he attained his results. And just as we see here, that's exactly when the name-calling and claims of "liar and fraud" begin out of ignorance and, of course, jealousy.
As far as the substantiation issue goes, what more could he do than what he offered in his bet with Fezzik? Related to that, have you ever seen any of the other video poker authors who also claim to be "winners" ever submit or even offer substantiation that didn't begin and end with the word "theoretically"? Ditto for the ability to "duplicate or reproduce" any of those results.
I'm less trusting of his approach since seeing he's taking the site down as 'video emails are the way forward' (or some such). I fail to see how a video email replaces a decent well organised website where I can find the information any time, and review older articles (or even videos). The logic there makes little sense to me, but it might to Rob Singer for reasons other than my cynical interpretation.
Quote: thecesspitAnyone know if Rob Singer's book(s) are available at the Gambler's Bookshop/General store in Vegas? Look like one for the collection.
I'm less trusting of his approach since seeing he's taking the site down as 'video emails are the way forward' (or some such). I fail to see how a video email replaces a decent well organised website where I can find the information any time, and review older articles (or even videos). The logic there makes little sense to me, but it might to Rob Singer for reasons other than my cynical interpretation.
He recently sent me both his books and Gamblers Bookshop is his publisher so I'm sure they have them. But all I did was contact him and he offered to send both to me at no charge, so I took him up on it and he delivered. Maybe you'll get the same offer?
To update you as far as I am updated, he recently sent out his final video also, while confirming his site is coming down at the end of this year. Something about he can't make the trip each week anymore to LV because of increased grandchildren care & duties, his turning 60 etc. so he's no longer playing professionally. He still trains people for free but now he plays like a regular Joe when he's able to go. He did make a post on another forum this week saying he's being filmed in LV next week displaying 100 of his special plays that go against optimal play, why/when he makes them & how they've helped him win over the years. So he's still very much involved. I just wish he'd come on here more than that one time. That post he made on the other forum was like a help post to another player and he's not a regular there either. Something about how he's not wanting to be addicted to forums any more I think.
