CET to charge for diamond lounges
Also, you can't pay cash to get in. You must use RCs so if you don't have any you can't get in.
This is a direct result of all the tier matching and founders card. They should have come up with a way to make it so you had to have 15k earned credits and not just free upgrades.
https://imgur.com/a/PXiUA
It also doesnt mention show tickets. Hopefully that is just part of the other benefits but you would think that is a big enough benefit that they would put that on front screen.
Have your points, put your thumbprint on the glass, stand next to the scanner and hear a mechanical voice say Welcome to the Diamond Lounge.
phew.. from the title, thought you were going to say that diamond lounges will cost 1000 RC regardless of TC, like Borgata and Tropicana lounges.Quote: GWAEAtlantic city has been charging 1000 RC per person to enter diamond lounges unless you had 25000 tier credits. Well it looks like they are taking that nationwide. In 2018 it will no longer be free to enter diamond lounges unless you have 25k tier credits for the previous year. I havent seen it reported on how much it will cost but in would assume it will be 1000 RC per person. Hopefully they don't up it to 1500.
Also, you can't pay cash to get in. You must use RCs so if you don't have any you can't get in.
This is a direct result of all the tier matching and founders card. They should have come up with a way to make it so you had to have 15k earned credits and not just free upgrades.
https://imgur.com/a/PXiUA
It also doesnt mention show tickets. Hopefully that is just part of the other benefits but you would think that is a big enough benefit that they would put that on front screen.
of course the Borgata lounge is MUCH better than the caesars diamond lounge in terms of food/drink because they are charging you.
but the caesars diamond lounge is very good for free. and free is a better bang for the buck. :)
hm.. I can see the Horseshoe Baltimore diamond lounge being empty now if they are charging.
by state law, no free drinks and appetizers only for food.
ie: chicken wings and a fruit plate
Quote: FleaStiffCET is like a parasite; constantly making changes to get more and more without actually killing its victim.
yup.
less comps, no more 5k tc bonus for making Aspirations lvl 1.
but they are still by far the best rewards card in the east coast.
lowest coin-in to attain a tier level with good benefits.
MGM sucks!
We have lots of gambling choices much easier and less expensive to get to than Las Vegas, some with better odds than the Strip. SO, if Diamond Benefits are decimated (especially the show ticket benefit, although we also like the lounges), we will be in Las Vegas A LOT LESS often.
This is extremely disappointing. They give diamond to the founder's card AT THE SAME TIME PEOPLE ARE DISCOVERING HOW TO ABUSE THESE THINGS, then I end up on the chopping block to reduce crowding. Don't get me wrong, I'm not angry at any of you personally that did this, it's 100% on TR management. They screwed up.
They still offer me way more than they should, so it won't change my gambling habits, but this just sucks.
All said and done though, it isn't a big deal. I don't go to Vegas for the diamond lounges.
yup.. $300 gets you free dinner for you AND A GUEST at 9 locations in Vegas EVERYDAY for a year.Quote: ahiromuThey give diamond to the founder's card AT THE SAME TIME PEOPLE ARE DISCOVERING HOW TO ABUSE THESE THINGS.
so you and 9 friends split the $300. that's $30/person for a year of free food everyday!
you bring a friend to diamond location #1. you leave immediately but leave friend there.
rinse/repeat 8 more times.
the tier matches have a minor role.
the other major casinos require you to ALWAYS pay to get into their lounges. (ie: Borgata and Tropicana AC)
but for the Borgata at least, the food/alcohol is better. so if they're used to that lvl of quality, then they might not like 'slumming it' even if free.
Quote: 100xOddsyup.. $300 gets you free dinner for you AND A GUEST at 9 locations in Vegas EVERYDAY for a year.
so you and 9 friends split the $300. that's $30/person for a year of free food everyday!
you bring a friend to diamond location #1. you leave immediately but leave friend there.
rinse/repeat 8 more times.
the tier matches have a minor role.
the other major casinos require you to ALWAYS pay to get into their lounges. (ie: Borgata and Tropicana AC)
but for the Borgata at least, the food/alcohol is better. so if they're used to that lvl of quality, then they might not like 'slumming it' even if free.
C'mon. You're a smart guy, so let's be serious. There's no way Founderscard is a considerable factor in why Diamond Lounges are overcrowded. If there was a way to know, I'd bet that far more are Diamond this year through DIAD/DITD, the Quests, and tier matches than the entirety of FC Diamond members. I'd bet the farm and the horses on that. Are a number abusing the DL privilege? Possibly. Your 9 person scenario probably extends to ALL Diamonds, including gambling teams and FC members, but that is a LOT of work to do for a meal.
The thing I find humorous about the outrage is people complain about the lounges being overcrowded, suggest they do something like AC, then CET does exactly that and the streets are on fire. This affects how many people? There's a 10K window of folks who this will hit. Still, if you've played your way to Diamond at 20K, I'm fairly certain you have $20 in RCs to cover the costs (unless, as rumors begins, $30). No? Load up on multiplier days. Yes, it's a bummer in Vegas because you can't just hop knowing you have to carry an RC balance for it, but hey, they won't be crowded anymore, right?
They should have given us more of a warning. Pretty hard to cram an extra 450 hours of poker into 2 months. Though I suspect poker players are among the people most responsible for "abusing" the DL.
There's no way a trip to the DL is worth 10 bucks, unless you are drinking.
Quote: onenickelmiracleLounges are relics from another era. The casino doesn't want people feeling too comfortable there, would prefer people feel a bit anxious and off kilter,
Good point. Vegas casinos, in particular, seem to be designed to constantly disrupt any sequence of thoughts that might take more than about 20 seconds.
Well that's part of the equation, isn't it ? Stingy paytables but good Diamond benefits balance each other out to a degree.Quote: monet0412CET must be a great place to gamble!?
But if CET makes it clear to me that I'm not valued at the 15K to 24,999 Tier Credit Diamond Level, then there are lots of other choices both in Vegas, AND elsewhere. I haven't seen anything about the Diamond show tickets to mostly 2nd tier shows, but don't mess with that, CET, don't mess with that.
I think if they’re going to be so stingy with diamond members between 15k and 25k TC, they should just make another tier level instead of adding 1000 caveats to diamond.
I'm not sure what problem, if any, CET is trying to solve with the new policy.Quote: gamerfreakI think if they’re going to be so stingy with diamond members between 15k and 25k TC, they should just make another tier level instead of adding 1000 caveats to diamond.
IF locals are taking too much advantage of the system with multiple visits week after week, then address that aspect somehow. IF this is just a way to siphon off Rewards Credits to improve their profitability, they ought to consider that having LESS customers will also affect their profitability.
besides freeloaders from tier matches and Founders card , the new policy also says:Quote: JohnnyQI'm not sure what problem, if any, CET is trying to solve with the new policy.
Additional fees for guests brought to the Diamond Lounge with Diamond member may apply.
so this might encourage husbands/wives to also be a 25k diamond
They have a mini buffet from salad items to snacks along with a full menu from burgers to steaks. Friday night was crab legs and Saturday lobster. I ate in there almost every day!
Quote: IbeatyouracesThe only lounge I'm familiar with is MotorCity's. You had to be a Signature member and you could bring ones guest for free with additional guests costing $50 in comps. Elite members could bring two guests for free with each additional guest still costing $50 comps.
They have a mini buffet from salad items to snacks along with a full menu from burgers to steaks. Friday night was crab legs and Saturday lobster. I ate in there almost every day!
If I could get steak, lobster, and crab legs for free then I would get what ever card level was needed and would not have to pay for dinner ever again.
Quote: GWAEIf I could get steak, lobster, and crab legs for free then I would get what ever card level was needed and would not have to pay for dinner ever again.
It was a sweet deal. Mrs. I was pretty generous. Unfortunately they removed all of their good VP so it's not worth it no longer.
Eh, unlimited steak, lobster, and crab legs? I'd be willing to pay some cash for that. Even if you have to take a $50 EV hit it's still worth it lol.Quote: IbeatyouracesIt was a sweet deal. Mrs. I was pretty generous. Unfortunately they removed all of their good VP so it's not worth it no longer.
Quote: RomesEh, unlimited steak, lobster, and crab legs? I'd be willing to pay some cash for that. Even if you have to take a $50 EV hit it's still worth it lol.
Lobster was limited to 2 tails. Menu items originally were all week then cut to Monday - Thursday. Still was a great deal.
Update on Diamond guests:Quote: 100xOddsthe new policy also says:
Additional fees for guests brought to the Diamond Lounge with Diamond member may apply.
so this might encourage husbands/wives to also be a 25k diamond
Diamond members with a 2017 or 2018 Tier Score of more than 25,000:
a. Receive complimentary access for themselves plus 1 guest
b. Two additional guests can join for 1,000 Reward Credits each
c. Host approval required for any additional guests at 1,000 Reward Credits
Quote: VenthusAs the OP notes, show tickets are no longer mentioned as a benefit (as far as I noticed, at least). Can anybody weigh in on that?
show tickets now expire at end of month instead of 7 days.
so you have to show up in Vegas 3 days b4 end of month to get 2 months worth of show tickets
Quote: 100xOddsshow tickets now expire at end of month instead of 7 days.
so you have to show up in Vegas 3 days b4 end of month to get 2 months worth of show tickets
The show ticket voucher actually expire 3 days after they are printed (they can be re-issued, I believe), and the language is also explicit they expire before the end of the month.
You can show up on the last day of the month, so long as the TR desk and box office are open, and it appears you can still get a show ticket for the following days.
Anyway - when I didn't have enough reward credits to get in, I was able to get a discretionary comp out of a table games supervisor to get in. YMMV, but it's another option if you really want to get into the lounge.
Huh? So you don't have to even be diamond to get in to the diamond lounges anymore? Or does that mean diamond (15k) + 6k tier credits? Or maybe just diamond status (from last year) and 6k tier credits THIS year?Quote: GWAEWell good news. They walked back the lounge policy. It will be free until March 31st. After March 31st you have to have 6k tier to get access. It tiers up through the year. That means I will be able to get in in Jan.
GWAE ?
Maybe, because I don't drink I can't understand the hoopla. The ones I have been in are kind of depressing.
but if you had 25k+ tc last year, you're fine all year long, right?Quote: GWAEWell good news. They walked back the lounge policy. It will be free until March 31st. After March 31st you have to have 6k tier to get access. It tiers up through the year. That means I will be able to get in in Jan.
or does last year's TC no longer count?
Quote: 100xOddsbut if you had 25k+ tc last year, you're fine all year long, right?
or does last year's TC no longer count?
This would make me pretty unhappy as I busted my hump to get to 25 K.
"Several months ago, we announced that complimentary Diamond Lounge access in 2018 would be exclusively for members who reached a 2017 or 2018 Tier Score® of 25,000.
Great news! We are extending your unlimited complimentary Diamond Lounge access through March 31, 2018. Plus, we want to make it possible for you to continue enjoying the benefit you love throughout the year.
EARN BY TIER SCORE TARGET COMPLIMENTARY ACCESS PERIOD
3/31/18 6,000 Tier Credits through 6/30/18
6/30/18 12,000 Tier Credits through 9/30/18
9/30/18 18,000 Tier Credits through 12/31/18
12/31/18 25,0000 Tier Credits ACCESS FOR 2019
Once you surpass each of these targets you will be able to enjoy complimentary access through the end of that access period."
Old rules for AC and Windsor apply.
Quote: DRichDid the email say which properties are using this policy? I know AC and Laughlin had been using different policies last year.
Only statement about which DL are excluded from new tier policy is this one:
"This offer does not apply to Atlantic City or Windsor Diamond Lounges. Members must have a 2017 or 2018 Tier Score of at least 25,000 to gain complimentary access at these locations."
It's not completely clear from that letter that 25k this year guarantees you a year of DL access. It could be that you have to re-earn it as the year goes on.
I'm going have to hire F. Lee Baily to determine if I get to eat at a salad bar before my next poker session.
Quote: djatcI'm not their target customer since I play the best returning games but even then 7Star still costs a ton. With all these cutbacks it might be time to part ways.
yeah, 7stars isn't worth it now.
and with the Aspirations Levels gone, there's no reason to go above 25k tc.
I might finally try other casinos in Atlantic city (except Borgata/mgm).
anyone know how the Tropicana, Golden Nugget, or Resort's reward programs are?
Quote: 100xOdds
anyone know how the Tropicana, Golden Nugget, or Resort's reward programs are?
Make sure to always give them action if you're picking up FP.
Quote: Mission146Make sure to always give them action if you're picking up FP.
I just did after picking up my second $30 of the week and was rewarded with this semi-jackpot.
Quote: 100xOddsyeah, 7stars isn't worth it now.
and with the Aspirations Levels gone, there's no reason to go above 25k tc.
I might finally try other casinos in Atlantic city (except Borgata/mgm).
anyone know how the Tropicana, Golden Nugget, or Resort's reward programs are?
I am not a CET fan. In my opinion Tropicana is the best for Player Rewards in AC by far. And, since it wins Player Clubs Awards for AC for the last two years, it seems I am not the only one to feel this way.
It is also my favorite Casino, but that is happenstance (does not influence my views on their rewards programs).
Quote: GandlerI am not a CET fan.
In my opinion Tropicana is the best for Player Rewards in AC by far. And, since it wins Player Clubs Awards for AC for the last two years, it seems I am not the only one to feel this way.
It is also my favorite Casino, but that is happenstance (does not influence my views on their rewards programs).
$0.10 in theo = 1 tier point?!?!
20k tier points for Gold.
so $2k in theo.
if playing 9/6 JoB (99.5%), then $2k/.5% = $400k coin-in?!?!?!
that's awful!
I guess it was slot players who voted for best Player Clubs Awards
Quote: 100xOdds$0.10 in theo = 1 tier point?!?!
I'm pretty sure it's 1$/2$VP coin-in per point at the Tropicanas, assuming it's the same company as TropLaughlin, which is also gold at 20k. I don't think I've ever seen a theo-based system for points from machines.
cant be $2 coin-in for vp is it's '.10 in theo = 1 tier point'.Quote: VenthusI'm pretty sure it's 1$/2$VP coin-in per point at the Tropicanas, assuming it's the same company as TropLaughlin, which is also gold at 20k. I don't think I've ever seen a theo-based system for points from machines.
that's only $40k coin-in for Gold.
Trop AC:
https://tropicana.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/21558-AC-TA-Fact-Folder-917-BR-v27.pdf
TropLaughlin:
https://troplaughlin.com/casino/trop-advantage-players-club/benefits/
hm.. TropLaughlin is only 10k points for Gold
