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JohnnyQ
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October 5th, 2017 at 12:37:55 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

Please tell me exactly what portions of the constitution need to be changed; then tell me the terms of the new, replacement terms you want in the constitution.



OK, this part:

Section 1

2: Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.

ie:

"The Electoral College is a process, not a place. The founding fathers established it in the Constitution as a compromise between election of the President by a vote in Congress and election of the President by a popular vote of qualified citizens".

https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/electoral-college/about.html

- It is time for our country to have presidential elections based on the popular vote.

I know we have debated this a few years ago, but that's what should be changed. In fact, I think it could be argued that the Electoral College was designed in part to prevent a person like trump from being elected. Wasn't it also a huge compromise to the small states at the time, to entice them to join with the others to create a Federal government ?

I am not concerned about the small states. They are already vastly over-represented in terms of population by the Senate. The governors and state legislatures represent the citizens of the state on state level issues. The Federal government, and the president in particular, should be representing all the country's citizens, ONE PERSON ONE (equal) VOTE.
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October 5th, 2017 at 12:50:32 PM permalink
Quote: FleaStiff


What deer hunter needs thirty round magazines?

One who is a bad shot.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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October 5th, 2017 at 1:21:13 PM permalink
Or one who needs to take down a pack of coyotes a few times a year. A semi-auto ar-15 is perfect for this and is the difference between getting one or six. Good for wild hogs too.

I had to do that about three weeks ago (again) on my sisters property before they killed all of her pets this year. Guess that makes me a monster.
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October 5th, 2017 at 1:57:33 PM permalink
Quote: Skeptic

Or one who needs to take down a pack of coyotes a few times a year. A semi-auto ar-15 is perfect for this and is the difference between getting one or six. Fun for hogs too.

I had to do that about three weeks ago (again) on my sisters property before they killed all of her pets this year. Guess that makes me a monster.



Um, no, hopefully that makes you a responsible gun owner and rancher or whatever, and the coyotes are poaching your stock and legally varmints.

The points being:

you have the right tool for what you are lawfully doing with it.

You only need one such rifle, not 40 or so.

You confine its use to lawful activities.

You are properly licensed, registered, and trained in its use, including storage and protection from minors except as supervised.

IMO, there is no reason you should face further restriction or removal.of that weapon. Nor should anyone else who is a similarly responsible gun owner.

But, why should someone own 12, 30, 40 of those? You can only shoot one rifle at a time.

Why should someone need to have armor-piercing bullets, bump stocks, 100 round drums, stuff like that? Who needs one in city limits? There, it's about as useful as a combine (not).

So, yes, people should need to justify ownership above some multiple of guns. And have good reason to own the types and number they have. And justify possession of more than some amount of ammo, and what kind.

Did you know the latest figure I can find, there are 112.6 guns owned per 100 people in the US? That seems a bit excessive. In fact, the second highest rate is Sebia 75.6/100, then Cyprus 36.4/100, and all other countries below 32/100. Seems like a stupid thing to lead the world in. (Source: wiki worldwide gun stats ).

Here's another interesting stat. In the US, deaths per day by gun are 93. About 1/3 homicides, 2/3 suicides, with tiny ~1% each for accidents, killed by officers, and undetermined circumstance. Period of measurement, 5 year avg, 2011-2016. Source, Brady institute/fbi.

By contrast, the death by day (killed in combat)rates for major US wars for the duration of each:

Revolutionary War, 3.52
Civil War 120.35
WW1 127.76
WW2 213.60
Vietnam 8.96
Afghanistan + Iraq 1.60

Source wiki, deaths in American wars. Note: thsee rates do not include casualties by illness, starvation, other causes: just combat losses.

We are losing 26 times the people now than we did when the 2nd Amendment was written. It's our 4th most deadly war, and it's on our own soil.

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October 5th, 2017 at 2:18:27 PM permalink
Your numbers are meaningless with 2/3's of gun deaths being suicide. Fact is gun crimes have declined dramatically over the past 25 years while ownership of semi-automatic rifles has skyrocketed during the same period.

The funny thing about rights is that I don't have to justify my exercising them to anyone, not even you. I don't ask you to justify the freedom to do what you do in Vegas despite the evidence showing societal harm.

Look, I think sitting in front of a slot machine for 10 hours risking $1000 just to earn a free $20 buffet is batshit insane but I'll fight for your right to do it. That's the difference between you and I. You don't understand something or don't enjoy doing it then it's OK to take it away from those who do.
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October 5th, 2017 at 2:38:47 PM permalink
Quote: Skeptic



Look, I think sitting in front of a slot machine for 10 hours risking $1000 just to earn a free $20 buffet is batshit insane but I'll fight for your right to do it. That's the difference between you and I. You don't understand something or don't enjoy doing it then it's OK to take it away from those who do.



I officially concede the argument. 372 people have died as a direct result of my playing a machine, I tried to hide it, but you’re calling me on it now.
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October 5th, 2017 at 3:23:35 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

I officially concede the argument. 372 people have died as a direct result of my playing a machine, I tried to hide it, but you’re calling me on it now.

Well M146, you knew it was only a matter of time before this came out.

But good for you, the first step in fixing a problem is admitting you have one. I wish you good luck in your rehab.
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October 5th, 2017 at 4:01:53 PM permalink
The iidea that suicides are fine and nothing to be concerned about is a little odd.
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October 5th, 2017 at 5:16:35 PM permalink
Quote: gamerfreak

Here is Mike's bit from an article I found:

Michael Shackleford, who runs a gambling strategy website called The Wizard of Odds, said based on what is known of Paddock’s life, the gunman seems to have been what the casinos refer to as a “premium mass” player — one who bets in higher amounts, with a better understanding of the game than the typical player.

Premium mass players pay close attention to the odds in the game they’re playing and the payout, and they typically need access to a lot of money because they may have long dry spells where they lose exorbitant amounts.

Eventually, Shackleford said, if players stay true to a perfect strategy — one designed to maximize their performance over the long haul, such as by getting rid of potentially decent cards like low pairs to increase chances of a big-payout royal flush — their luck will turn, based on statistics, and they’ll break even or come close to it. When you add in the freebies from the casino, the player can come out ahead.

“Vegas is full of people that are basically just gambling for free,” Shackleford said. “I think the shooter was one of these people who was basically milking the system, getting free vacations.”

Why do the casinos have games where the players can come out ahead?

“It’s because there are so many bad players,” Shackleford said. “For every skilled player, there are probably 100 lousy players. They subsidize the skilled players.”

The stress of having so much on the line isn’t for everyone, he said.

“In any form of gambling, you need a strong stomach and you need to have a very cool head about the ups and down,” he said. “If this guy was a millionaire, it’s quite possible he was not bothered by the ups and down. He probably had steel nerves and was a difficult person to move emotionally.”

http://www.artesianews.com/1505798/vegas-shooters-gambling-draws-new-attention-to-video-poker.html



What made the author of the article so sure that the shooter was simply milking casino comps rather than being an AP?
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October 5th, 2017 at 5:45:37 PM permalink
Quote: Neutrino

Quote: gamerfreak

Here is Mike's bit from an article I found:

Michael Shackleford, who runs a gambling strategy website called The Wizard of Odds, said based on what is known of Paddock’s life, the gunman seems to have been what the casinos refer to as a “premium mass” player — one who bets in higher amounts, with a better understanding of the game than the typical player.

Premium mass players pay close attention to the odds in the game they’re playing and the payout, and they typically need access to a lot of money because they may have long dry spells where they lose exorbitant amounts.

Eventually, Shackleford said, if players stay true to a perfect strategy — one designed to maximize their performance over the long haul, such as by getting rid of potentially decent cards like low pairs to increase chances of a big-payout royal flush — their luck will turn, based on statistics, and they’ll break even or come close to it. When you add in the freebies from the casino, the player can come out ahead.

“Vegas is full of people that are basically just gambling for free,” Shackleford said. “I think the shooter was one of these people who was basically milking the system, getting free vacations.”

Why do the casinos have games where the players can come out ahead?

“It’s because there are so many bad players,” Shackleford said. “For every skilled player, there are probably 100 lousy players. They subsidize the skilled players.”

The stress of having so much on the line isn’t for everyone, he said.

“In any form of gambling, you need a strong stomach and you need to have a very cool head about the ups and down,” he said. “If this guy was a millionaire, it’s quite possible he was not bothered by the ups and down. He probably had steel nerves and was a difficult person to move emotionally.”

http://www.artesianews.com/1505798/vegas-shooters-gambling-draws-new-attention-to-video-poker.html



What made the author of the article so sure that the shooter was simply milking casino comps rather than being an AP?



Are there enough AP opportunities in high limit slots? At high levels, it seems that many of the extras that are comped to a $1.25 - $5 player are not 20x - 100x better. Therefore, not worth pursuing at the $100 level. Is risking 20x-100x more worth a bigger suite, or an extra day in the spa?
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