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EvenBob
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September 26th, 2010 at 7:44:45 PM permalink
This is a slick show because theres really 3 long card games in each season. They edit out all the dead hands and people ordering food and getting up and down to use the john or whatever. Then Gabe Kaplan and his buddy do the voiceover commentary to make it sound like its happening right then. They've already reviewed the 43min of what goes on the air and they make notes and make it into an entertaining show.
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EvenBob
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October 28th, 2010 at 1:10:33 AM permalink
There are many rumors that HSP is a fraud. The players get their money back after the show is over. I have wondered myself why the best players would play each other for so much money. The real profit comes from the businessmen suckers who think they're pro's, not taking it from each other. This article is a real eye opener.

http://www.richardmarcusbooks.com/downloads/HighStakes28.pdf
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Ibeatyouraces
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October 28th, 2010 at 8:54:59 AM permalink
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October 28th, 2010 at 9:33:57 AM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

This is a slick show because theres really 3 long card games in each season. They edit out all the dead hands and people ordering food and getting up and down to use the john or whatever. Then Gabe Kaplan and his buddy do the voiceover commentary to make it sound like its happening right then. They've already reviewed the 43min of what goes on the air and they make notes and make it into an entertaining show.





Makes me wonder how much the announcers have to pay to get to show everyone how smart they are!
DJTeddyBear
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October 28th, 2010 at 10:20:25 AM permalink
For what it's worth, I do NOT believe the rumors. I truly think the players ARE playing with their own money. Why play with their friends rather than trying to fleece the players that can be found in the poker room? Because you still want to see if you can beat the best.

I remember reading a few years ago that they get $1,250 per hour (it's probably gone up since then), but that doesn't even cover the ante.


Gabe Kaplan plays, and plays very well. As a result, his commentary isn't too bad. Then he goes and ruins it by trying to remind everyone that he's a commedian.

AJ sucked. I can't figure out how he ever got the job, unless they were looking for someone that people with no poker experience could relate to. But even then, he still sucked. I am SO glad the got rid of him.

AJ's replacement, Kara Scott, is a million times better. And, as a bonus, she doesn't interact with Gabe.


Personally, I wish they'd get rid of Gabe too, and not have ANY commentary. Have Kara do her occasional interview and the opening and closing remarks. Other than that, let's just listen to the action. We want to hear what the guys are discussing.
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EvenBob
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October 28th, 2010 at 8:22:55 PM permalink
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Personally, I wish they'd get rid of Gabe too, and not have ANY commentary.



Without Gabe, I would be in the dark about whats going on. He tells us how much they bet, why a hand is good or bad, he translates the table chatter. It would by totally confusing without him. I absolutely believe they aren't playing for real, it fits with what goes on sometimes. Calling somebody with a 9 high when there's 100K in the pot? Who would do that in a real game? Not even Tom Dwan.
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jpprovance
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October 28th, 2010 at 9:51:49 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

There are many rumors that HSP is a fraud. The players get their money back after the show is over. I have wondered myself why the best players would play each other for so much money. The real profit comes from the businessmen suckers who think they're pro's, not taking it from each other. This article is a real eye opener.

http://www.richardmarcusbooks.com/downloads/HighStakes28.pdf


I never heard of the ten million dollar game that was supposed to go on. I highly doubt that story has any credit.

However, Im sure cash games are real. It does not make sense why the top pros would play each other but they do. The top pros guys on full tilt are constantly battling each other at 200/400 and 500/1000 heads up matches. for example on poker table ratings you can see that Tom Dwan is up 4 million on Antonius 3.5 mil on Ilari Sahamies he is down 4.5 mil to Isildur1 and down 1.5 Mil to Benyamine. My only guess why they challenge each other is they really like to gamble.
EvenBob
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October 28th, 2010 at 10:06:33 PM permalink
Quote: jpprovance

I never heard of the ten million dollar game that was supposed to go on. I highly doubt that story has any credit.

However, Im sure cash games are real. It does not make sense why the top pros would play each other but they do. The top pros guys on full tilt are constantly battling each other at 200/400 and 500/1000 heads up matches. for example on poker table ratings you can see that Tom Dwan is up 4 million on Antonius 3.5 mil on Ilari Sahamies he is down 4.5 mil to Isildur1 and down 1.5 Mil to Benyamine. My only guess why they challenge each other is they really like to gamble.



Marcus makes a good point in the article. Pro players in any game only play for big bucks when they have the edge. When you're playing a bunch of equally skilled players, like on HST, you have no edge so why play. Why take a chance on losing a lot of money. Even in the big tournaments, all they stand to lose is the buy in, big deal. They're betting millions in fake money. And don't believe half the crap you read at online casinos, its all hype to get you to play. This whole poker phenom stinks worse than pro wrestling, its all smoke and mirrors. Its all about keeping the well known players names in the news so they can fleece the rich businessmen who come to play them in Vegas. Thats where the real money is made.
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DJTeddyBear
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October 29th, 2010 at 5:25:34 AM permalink
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...Its all about keeping the well known players names in the news so they can fleece the rich businessmen who come to play them in Vegas.

But some episodes featured rich businessmen who did not play well at all. Are you saying they were playing with fake money too?
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October 29th, 2010 at 11:16:36 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

But some episodes featured rich businessmen who did not play well at all. Are you saying they were playing with fake money too?



It's actually impossible to tell just where the money is coming from. It's obvious that the whole TV-poker-celebrity thing is based on building up personality cults. Whether any or all of the players are participating because simply because they like the publicity, or they have a master plan that involves using their celebrity to attract weak opponents in cash games, or for some other reason altogether, one can only speculate.

It seems, however, that the vast majority of these "professional" poker players are terrible businessmen, don't plan their lives very well, and don't think even in the medium term, let alone the long term. It also doesn't seem, even from the heavily edited TV shows, that these guys are playing particularly brilliantly. There's always one player at the table (Dwan comes to mind) who has a hyper-aggressive style, bets at every pot, and is winning (today). The fawning announcers extol this guy's "fearless" style and the fact that he raises preflop on 64 offsuit as some kind of measure of studly poker worth. The fact of the matter is that for every celebrity Mr. Shove, there are ten thousand wannabes who have found out that playing any two cards and shoving your entire stack into the center at every opportunity only works when you have a rich and dumb backer.

One thing I find to be an absolute certainty---not even these "pros" would be making twenty-thousand dollar bets and raises with their OWN money. You'd have to be a multimillionaire many times over before you could fade that kind of action. Sure, there are and have been many players who do play over their heads, but anyone who has survived for any length of time has a healthy respect for his own bankroll. An "action" player can certainly get lucky--even over an extended period of time--but what kills that player is that when he is successful, he ramps up his action even more. He only gets the thrill when the possibilty of going busted exists at all times--but when you invite disaster, disaster has a way of accepting the invitation. Any true pro understands this, from bitter experience, if nothing else.

So the TV shows are nothing but heavily edited fiction, IMHO.
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one. The happiness of credulity is a cheap and dangerous quality.---George Bernard Shaw

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