"I was amused at first, but I now I am about to start reporting you guys!"

I was playing a slot machine with my player's card in the machine the other day and the woman next to me was not playing with a player's card. A guy came up behind her saying something like, "I just lost all my money trying to earn enough points for today's gift giveaway. I am just 3 points short from the gift. Can I stick my card in your machine for my final three points?" (I just noticed the inadvertent sexual innuendo in what I just wrote, LOL, ;)). She turned around to answer him and they both realized they knew each other. They chatted amicably for a few seconds and he said something like,"Okay, I'll try another player," and left. Roughly 5 minutes later, another player came up to this same woman with the "Lost my money trying to earn points for the gift giveaway, can I use my player's card in your machine?" This time the woman was rightfully becoming annoyed. She said to the second guy something like, "Look, you are the second person to ask me for player card points for the gift giveaway in just minutes! I was amused at first, but now I am getting really annoyed. I am here trying to have a good time on the slots in peace, not be harrassed for player card points. I am about to start reporting you guys to casino employees." The second guy took the hint and left.

I also concurred that two people within minutes begging her for player's card points was a bit out of hand. She said something like,"I know, right? It's really none of my business that they lost their money chasing the gift. Enough is enough! " I have empathy for her,as later a guy kept telling me to up my bet from $1 and start hitting REAL bets like $4 a spin.

I politely told him I was okay at $1 and did not want to risk losing my money at $4 a hit. He said something like, "You're risking losing your money anyway at only $1! He then suddenly went into sob story mode talking about how the slots raked him of his hard earned money and began cussing like a sailor and staring at my machine as I played. I pointedly told him,"There is another copy of this machine on the other side of the casino," trying to get him to get away from me. I also was tallking in annoyed , snappy,"Yeah!" tones. It should have been clear that I did not want this guy talking to me. He said,"I'd rather watch you play." Okay, creepy. I pointedly said,"I am not comfortable with peoople watching as I play." He went to a nearby machine, playing, but still constantly looking at my machine and still telling me to up my bet and talking about how badly the slots raked him . I finally began to start to tell him off. "Sir, you need to stop being creepy and leave me alone!" He finally took the hint and went to another place. He came back a few minutes later still telling me to up my bet and talking about how badly the slots raked him. I said,"Look sir, I've told you to leave me alone! I am going to start reporting you if you don't get away from me!" He left and later came back. I basically ignored him and he finally left me alone for the whole night. Sorry for the long rant but that really bugged me and I can see how the woman felt. No one wants to feel harrassed at a casino when they are just trying to have a good time on the slots.

Honestly if anyone in here doesn't think this is trolling then then I don't know what they are drinking

Quote: Wizardofnothing

Honestly if anyone in here doesn't think this is trolling then then I don't know what they are drinking

II'm not trolling. I just wanted to get that rant off my chest.

I'm sure -
What state do you play in again where this is happening?

State of imagination.

Well I can't stand aholes watching me shoot either. Buy in or get outta dodge. I say $5 a minute to watch and drop the money in the dealer toke box!

Quote: FleaStiff

State of imagination.

Not really. In NYS it is quite frequent at certain casinos due to a propensity for same day gift for points earned offers. The spiel about losing money is just that. Almost certainly they were pros doing it daily earning points AND freeplay without investment. Thats why the first person said he would bother someone else when he recognized the lady

Resorts world in queens ny forces all players go earn points even to obtain their monthly offers

I personally got my start leaving cards in other player machines. It was how i began hustling from being penniless those many years ago

Where have I heard similar stories?

Ah yes, one of back-entry Kentrys favorite type of topics.

SLOT PLAYERS BEGGING FOR MONEY?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/23856-slot-players-begging-for-money/#post489112

IIRC there was a bus beggar and others as well.

I think Dean was often hassled for money or magazines or something like that as well.



You know what they say about leopards and spots.

Quote: AxelWolf

Where have I heard similar stories?

Ah yes, one of back-entry Kentrys favorite type of topics.

SLOT PLAYERS BEGGING FOR MONEY?
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/gambling/slots/23856-slot-players-begging-for-money/#post489112

IIRC there was a bus beggar and others as well.

I think Dean was often hassled for money or magazines or something like that as well.



You know what they say about leopards and spots.

It's uncanny! I read the writings of both and they're style is so similar. Kentry = Nathan

Quote: SiegfriedRoy

It's uncanny! I read the writings of both and they're style is so similar. Kentry = Nathan

They seem to have the same mentality, personality, adventures, stories and lifestyles. However, I think Nat suggested he had enough money for a professional haircut.

Quote: SiegfriedRoy

It's uncanny! I read the writings of both and they're style is so similar. Kentry = Nathan

I just compared the two and i dont see it. The topics are only superficially similar(and i hav similar stories myself) and the writing certainly looks different. Kentry has much shorter paragraphs that are more concise while nathan has long jumbled paragraphs that ramble for a mile

There hav been instances where people came up with very similar material even while living on opposite continents and didnt know it (hunger games and its japanese equivalent come to mind)

EDIT: Battle Royale is the japanese film. Most people think one plagiarized off the other. Both creators say they didnt know about the other version while writing

Quote: darkoz

I just compared the two and i dont see it. The topics are only superficially similar(and i hav similar stories myself) and the writing certainly looks different. Kentry has much shorter paragraphs that are more concise while nathan has long jumbled paragraphs that ramble for a mile

There hav been instances where people came up with very similar material even while living on opposite continents and didnt know it (hunger games and its japanese equivalent come to mind)

EDIT: Battle Royale is the japanese film. Most people think one plagiarized off the other. Both creators say they didnt know about the other version while writing

From the kentry link I posted and the OP.

Your LSM score is 0.89

Compared to other general writing samples that we have analyzed, your LSM score is far above average. To give you an idea, most LSM scores for general writing samples range between .60 and .90, with the average being around .78. The more the authors of the two samples are thinking in similar ways, the higher the LSM.

Would be hard to get a satisfactory settlement for everyone involved, but this would be a nice fun wager for low stakes. Wagering on who is puppets of former banned members could be a new leisure time activity at Meetups. We all have a few good guesses if we could just figure out a way to prove it.

Look, I don't know how my ranting of people with player's cards harrassing people with no player's cards let them earn points after losing money and my rant of being personally harrassed by some guy yelling at me to up my very reasonable bet of $1 and then watching me play constantly and ranting about the slots taking his money makes people think that I am Kentry. I am not Kentry.

I have read somewhere that a nice seeming woman claimed she was hungry and only needed 10 points to get a burger, fries, and a drink at the casino restaurant. She claimed she had lost all her money and just needed those 10 points to eat. The guy she asked to help her out was generous and compassionate and was already up, and didn't use player's cards in the first place, so he said,"Sure, why not?" And let her put her player's card in his machine. Lo and behold, he hit a Major Progressive or something like that and she suddenly stopped seeming nice and went into bitch mode and demanded he pay her the progressive he won on her player's card and claimed that technically that progressive win was her money. He said he had to call security to escort her out of the casino because she was acting really crazy. No good deed goes unpunished fit in this case. Sad.

Quote: Nathan

Look, I don't know how my ranting of people with player's cards harrassing people with no player's cards let them earn points after losing money and my rant of being personally harrassed by some guy yelling at me to up my very reasonable bet of $1 and then watching me play constantly and ranting about the slots taking his money makes people think that I am Kentry. I am not Kentry.

I am not Kentry.

I am not Kentry, but I play him on TV

I am not Kentry,but I did stay in a Holiday Inn express last night.

I am getting annoyed by the Kentry implications. Stop it.

Nathan - Here's a tip. Start wearing less provocative clothing. Guys will leave you alone.

I am Kentry. And I'm sweet. So stop, you big meanies.

Quote: AxelWolf

...Your LSM score is 0.89...

Looks like you've found an interesting new (at least new to me) tool to play with. Just for sheets & giggles, would it be easy get it to score a comparison of something like, oh say, 1BB & Sammydv? Just to pluck something totally at random from the sweetness shelf, for no particular reason at all, nope, none whatsoever....

Certainly you could have used a better pair.

But thanks for acknowledging I exist.

I am Groot.

I wonder if the reason she was amused at first was a "Wow, Bill from the local bar has to resort to begging complete strangers for player's card points after losing his money chasing the gift. What a loser. How embarrassing for him," way.

Quote: DrawingDead

I am Kentry. And I'm sweet. So stop, you big meanies.

Looks like you've found an interesting new (at least new to me) tool to play with. Just for sheets & giggles, would it be easy get it to score a comparison of something like, oh say, 1BB & Sammydv? Just to pluck something totally at random from the sweetness shelf, for no particular reason at all, nope, none whatsoever....

I ran across that a while ago, but I think that's the first time I used it. It would be fun to come up with a test to see just how good it is.

That was just one Nathan/Kentry comparison sample. I bet if we compared all of "their" posts, it would say...Your LSM score is... 110% DUH!!!

What a bummer that this entire thread has devolved into an attack on nathan as an alleged kentry

I guess i had an interest in the topic as years ago i got my start earming players points by sliding my card into people's slots (with their permission. It became an art form kind of a dry hustle)

I wasnt the only one. There were at least a dozen regulars and we all helped one another if we could (hey that guy gambles heavy im busy over here or hey im leaving wanna grab this guys machine hes still playing)

When someone notorious for not allowing us to drop our card in his machine while always playing unrated tried to muscle in doing the same thing our group ran him out of town by pulling his card out of every machine he left it in

Nothing in the op sounded too shocking to me and its just a shame this conversation is now just completely derailed

Quote: darkoz

Not really. In NYS it is quite frequent at certain casinos due to a propensity for same day gift for points earned offers. The spiel about losing money is just that. Almost certainly they were pros doing it daily earning points AND freeplay without investment. Thats why the first person said he would bother someone else when he recognized the lady

Resorts world in queens ny forces all players go earn points even to obtain their monthly offers

I personally got my start leaving cards in other player machines. It was how i began hustling from being penniless those many years ago

In my local casino, the player's card becomes inactive after about 5 minutes of no play theoretically to prevent players "stealing" points and free play by letting non player's card members unsuspectingly give them points and free play.

Quote: AxelWolf

I ran across that a while ago, but I think that's the first time I used it. It would be fun to come up with a test to see just how good it is.

That was just one Nathan/Kentry comparison sample. I bet if we compared all of "their" posts, it would say...Your LSM score is... 110% DUH!!!

Maybe you could try feeding it Tuesday samples of medium-rare AxelWolf leftovers compared to a doggie bag of well-done AxelWolf that was cooked on Thursday, and DrawingDead vs. DrawingDead, to see how well it thinks Axel knows his Wolf, and whether it says Drawing should be Dead. After all, you know I wouldn't be the first guy to fictitiously die in forumland and stage a resurrection as a fraudulent virtual self.

If it says I am probably not me, then Nathan should probably report me for some kind of casino player card abuse scam by the notorious scoundrel crew of me and not so me, both going around racking up points on the same card. But I will still claim I'm Kentry, and sweet.

Quote: Nathan

In my local casino, the player's card becomes inactive after about 5 minutes of no play theoretically to prevent players "stealing" points and free play by letting non player's card members unsuspectingly give them points and free play.

Yea ive seen that too but not in nys. Wouldnt hav stopped me. I had developed a dry hustle. Walk up to a person playing e-roulette and announce 8-10 numbers. Stategically these r numbers all around the wheel so the ball is gonna land somewhere near. Then exclaim how u knew the ball was gonna land near the number. Hype the player up till he believes u might hav some spidey sense going on then ask if u can dip ur card in since his points r going to waste

If he refuses then he just lost his new best friend lol

You would be surprised how often this worked

Quote: darkoz

What a bummer that this entire thread has devolved into an attack on nathan as an alleged kentry

I guess i had an interest in the topic as years ago i got my start earming players points by sliding my card into people's slots (with their permission. It became an art form kind of a dry hustle)

I wasnt the only one. There were at least a dozen regulars and we all helped one another if we could (hey that guy gambles heavy im busy over here or hey im leaving wanna grab this guys machine hes still playing.

When someone notorious for not allowing us to drop our card in his machine while always playing unrated tried to muscle in doing the same thing our group ran him out of town by pulling his card out of every machine he left it in

Nothing in the op sounded too shocking to me and its just a shame this conversation is now just completely derailed

Thank you for having my back. The Kentry implications are out of hand and are beyond old. I am not Kentry and would like the Kentry implications to stop.

In a hypothetical world, if I were Kentry and didn't want people to think I was Kentry I would probably keep telling people that I'm not Kentry.

Quote: mcallister3200

In a hypothetical world, if I were Kentry and didn't want people to think I was Kentry I would probably keep telling people that I'm not Kentry.

Horrible logic. In a real or hypothetical world if u were not kentry you would say the same thing.

Well fine.

Quote: Nathan

"Sir, you need to stop being creepy and leave me alone!"

So for this annoyance, besides selecting from my usual assortment of quick 'n easy Jerk-Off^(TM) two-legged insect repellents that I use all the time for getting tweaker/junkie/panhandler/timeshare/hustler cockroaches to scram outta my face, maybe now I have a new one.

#3. "Hey couldja help me out wid twennydollah 'till Tuesday, mon? Ya see, first Tiffany at Spearmint Rhino sez her little boy needed..."

#2. "No halbla Ingles, Senor."

#1. "Have you heard the word of The Lord? Jesus saves, you know. Have you been saved?"

Now add:

#0. "Are you Kentry?"

I suggest the Solomon mods just unban Kentry, and see if they both post at different times. Think Tring mentioned he's at Vegas fanatics, so he could be summoned.

I don't like the fact that my serious thread about people harrassing people at the casino turned into a unwarranted Kentry accusation hijack thread.

Quote: Nathan

I don't like the fact that my serious thread about people harrassing people at the casino turned into a unwarranted Kentry accusation hijack thread.

Dont get Kentry mad. He has a temper and might take it out on you, giving you what his momma gave him. Kentry might be offended you're ashamed to be him, assuming you think you're too good.

But I am not Kentry. Can we PLEASE get back to the topic of this thread? How annoying harassing people in casinos really is.

Odd they suspect you're Kentry but they keep letting BUZZARD post.

Quote: onenickelmiracle

I suggest the Solomon mods just unban Kentry, and see if they both post at different times. Think Tring mentioned he's at Vegas fanatics, so he could be summoned.

No, we're doing just fine without Kentry.

Quote: Nathan

But I am not Kentry. Can we PLEASE get back to the topic of this thread?

Nathan is right, I don't have an IP Match, so as far as I a concerned, I have nothing saying he is Kentry. Let's get this thread back on track, everyone is basically Trolling the person they are accusing of being THE TROLL at this point. You guys can use the, 'Ignore,' function on anyone you don't like, just so you know.

Quote:

How annoying harassing people in casinos really is.

You should stop harassing people in casinos, then. ;)

I have seen similar scene like that in a casino.Some guy are just hitting the girl and hoping to have some good night gift from the girl ,I know it's not my business but if it's annoying for someone you see that being sexually harassed.

Hopefully that clears things up. Anyone making kentry accusations now not only has specious proof but is going against ip proof... And is trolling

Quote: Mission146

Nathan is right, I don't have an IP Match, so as far as I a concerned, I have nothing saying he is Kentry. Let's get this thread back on track, everyone is basically Trolling the person they are accusing of being THE TROLL at this point. You guys can use the, 'Ignore,' function on anyone you don't like, just so you know.

Thank you Mission. :) I appreciate your support in this. That means a lot to me. :)

Quote:

You should stop harassing people in casinos, then. ;)

Hey! The most harrassing thing I have done is tell people that they should hit the left button rather than the repeat button, as the repeat button is dangerously close to Max Bet. Hitting the left button on most machines eliminates any chances of hitting max bet by mistake. Only Fu Da Le, Good Fortune and Da Ji Da Li have max bet buttons on both sides, I think. Those rascally slot manufacturers know what they did when they put max bet button about an inch away from repeat bet. ;)

I remember a Youtube slot player named Diana Evoni lost $600 in a row on just 2 very bad spins. She thought she hit "Repeat bet," twice, but she accidentally hit "max bet, " twice on a $1 machine, Pharaoh's Fortune, she meant to only risk $40 in those two ill fated machines, but accidentally risked $600($300 a hit). Ouch. :( She said something like, "Gosh, I just lost $600 on two spins I didn't even want to max bet on! There went my money!" I felt so bad for her. :(

A commentor said,"The slot should have a warning saying,"Holy crap! Your bet is $300! Are you sure you want to go through with this very high bet?" The response was,"Slot manufacturers would never be that nice! They are hoping and wanting you to make a huge mistake like that! They want your money! ";)

Luckily, she got a bonus, and she said something like,"This bonus better give me back my $600 I lost on those 2 bad accidental spins! I want my $600 back!" I was thinking,"No way or at the very least, it is very highly unlikely that she is going to win $600 on a $20 bonus! She won a pleasant surprise of like $540! She was ecstatic. She said,"I am only $60 down from those horrible ill fated two accidental max bet spins! I got most of the money back! I'm happy! "

The commentators congratulated her on recuperating most of the $600 back! Some commentators said, "The bonus should have happened during one of the accidental max bet spins! You would have won thousands of dollars!" Some people have to be the spoilsport party pooper! ;)

Quote: darkoz

Hopefully that clears things up. Anyone making kentry accusations now not only has specious proof but is going against ip proof... And is trolling

Thank you Darkoz. I appreciate your support in this. It means a lot to me. :)

Quote: Mobcasinos

I have seen similar scene like that in a casino.Some guy are just hitting the girl and hoping to have some good night gift from the girl ,I know it's not my business but if it's annoying for someone you see that being sexually harassed.

I remember a woman saying she felt harrassed and insultedwhen some man older than her father demanded she go to his room and have sex with him. She said something like"I am in my 40's wearing a business suit. Why would he assume I am a promiscuous slut that would just have sex with a random guy I literally just saw seconds ago?" This is when the service/reporting button comes in especially handy.

Quote:

I guess i had an interest in the topic as years ago i got my start earming players points by sliding my card into people's slots (with their permission. It became an art form kind of a dry hustle)

I wasnt the only one. There were at least a dozen regulars and we all helped one another if we could (hey that guy gambles heavy im busy over here or hey im leaving wanna grab this guys machine hes still playing)

When someone notorious for not allowing us to drop our card in his machine while always playing unrated tried to muscle in doing the same thing our group ran him out of town by pulling his card out of every machine he left it in

Sorry, but this post has just reinforced my vague feeling that 'advantage player' has been a feel good self created title for scamy activities going on under the radar of casinos and guests alike.

I'm not feeling good about this revelation if it's even half right.

Sorry for being so naive. Kind of a self respect thing that I probably don't grasp completely.
But whatever floats everybody's boat. Maybe I shouldn't go to casinos because I'm the kind of person that will tell somebody to come back and finish their multi's.

I didn't get to Sarnia, so I don't know how I'd feel trying to vultch anyways. I think I should try at least once, then I'd know where I'd stand. But I have a feeling I already know.

Quote: sammydv

Sorry, but this post has just reinforced my vague feeling that 'advantage player' has been a feel good self created title for scamy activities going on under the radar of casinos and guests alike.

I'm not feeling good about this revelation if it's even half right.

Sorry for being so naive. Kind of a self respect thing that I probably don't grasp completely.
But whatever floats everybody's boat. Maybe I shouldn't go to casinos because I'm the kind of person that will tell somebody to come back and finish their multi's.

I didn't get to Sarnia, so I don't know how I'd feel trying to vultch anyways. I think I should try at least once, then I'd know where I'd stand. But I have a feeling I already know.

It was a hustle but i dont consider it scamy. If all ur neighbors were throwing away cereal boxtops and u asked them to giv the points to u and u would claim the free gifts would u feel u were scamming

The point hustling at casinos is no different

I remember one player laughing at my pitiful hustle as i madr points off his play. He said i was a fool for wasting time earning such small profit. Later over a comp meal his play had earned me i laughed at how his loss of thousands of dollars had helped me earn a few hundred. Who was the fool?

Quote: darkoz

It was a hustle but i dont consider it scamy. If all ur neighbors were throwing away cereal boxtops and u asked them to giv the points to u and u would claim the free gifts would u feel u were scamming

The point hustling at casinos is no different

I remember one player laughing at my pitiful hustle as i madr points off his play. He said i was a fool for wasting time earning such small profit. Later over a comp meal his play had earned me i laughed at how his loss of thousands of dollars had helped me earn a few hundred. Who was the fool?

I'm trying to see your point. But this is going off topic a little as we're getting into the reasons for hustles, not what ploys are annoying.

I'm going to address this post, but if this keeps angling away I'll start another thread if it gets interesting.

First point, I think your example is a poor one. People have thrown stuff away into their garbage meaning they were done with it, even though they probably knew about the box top toys or some other very useless thing offered. In the casino, hustling the people who play the games is not hustling the casino. The return from the multi's is not a whistle or cheap plastic toy, but real money.

And to me a hustle is every bit a scamy act as one is attempting to take something of value from another by dubious means. The casino is using every means, even questionable, to take something of value from the guests, our money. A casino IS a hustler. A guest who can figure our ways to game a machine itself on it's own terms by knowing the odds and such and is not using someone else points or left over specials is thus hustling the casino in certain ways. I have absolutely no problems with that. Even when a player notices a game error and wins with that. Ooops, too bad for the casino, they should have been paying attention.

A guest gaming other guests is scamy, no matter what the title. A guest gaming the casino is considered a criminal no matter what they're doing. If my friend and I are playing and he sticks his card in my machine with my permission, I don't see a problem with that as we both know whats going on, the casino on the other hand would have a problem with that. Are we hustling the casino. Yes. Are we scamy for this? Only to the casino.

Now if my friend reaches over and sticks his card into some oblivious old ladies machine next to him and the pulls it before she notices or something like that, that certainly is a scamy act which no one, casino or guests would condone. Except for certain AP's? Even typing that last sentence doesn't seem right.

I now think back at all the times when I'd find a card in my machine, mostly after a few plays, and since I didn't even pay attention, or even knew or cared what they were, I'd just pull it and throw it between machines. Almost always they were gone in minutes. How many meals and money did I provide to losers who scam people? I'm the best mark because I wasn't even looking at player card slots or nothing. So, I suppose the hustlers would call me the loser. Like when the crack head at the corner calls me a loser for not giving him some money to help him out. Seriously?

I really don't think these kinds of acts should even be in the same sentence as AP. When I first came on this website I had a different concept of what a AP is. I think an AP is someone gaming the casino's themselves, mostly using their minds and observance and deeper knowledge of the mechanics and odds of machines. People who hustle people, use outside mechanical devices and maybe even teams who dominate a row of machines, and thus preventing regular guests from using the machines, should not, in my opinion be included under an AP umbrella.

I see no difference between hustling and a scam act.

Quote: sammydv

I'm trying to see your point. But this is going off topic a little as we're getting into the reasons for hustles, not what ploys are annoying.

I'm going to address this post, but if this keeps angling away I'll start another thread if it gets interesting.

First point, I think your example is a poor one. People have thrown stuff away into their garbage meaning they were done with it, even though they probably knew about the box top toys or some other very useless thing offered. In the casino, hustling the people who play the games is not hustling the casino. The return from the multi's is not a whistle or cheap plastic toy, but real money.

And to me a hustle is every bit a scamy act as one is attempting to take something of value from another by dubious means. The casino is using every means, even questionable, to take something of value from the guests, our money. A casino IS a hustler. A guest who can figure our ways to game a machine itself on it's own terms by knowing the odds and such and is not using someone else points or left over specials is thus hustling the casino in certain ways. I have absolutely no problems with that. Even when a player notices a game error and wins with that. Ooops, too bad for the casino, they should have been paying attention.

A guest gaming other guests is scamy, no matter what the title. A guest gaming the casino is considered a criminal no matter what they're doing. If my friend and I are playing and he sticks his card in my machine with my permission, I don't see a problem with that as we both know whats going on, the casino on the other hand would have a problem with that. Are we hustling the casino. Yes. Are we scamy for this? Only to the casino.

Now if my friend reaches over and sticks his card into some oblivious old ladies machine next to him and the pulls it before she notices or something like that, that certainly is a scamy act which no one, casino or guests would condone. Except for certain AP's? Even typing that last sentence doesn't seem right.

I now think back at all the times when I'd find a card in my machine, mostly after a few plays, and since I didn't even pay attention, or even knew or cared what they were, I'd just pull it and throw it between machines. Almost always they were gone in minutes. How many meals and money did I provide to losers who scam people? I'm the best mark because I wasn't even looking at player card slots or nothing. So, I suppose the hustlers would call me the loser. Like when the crack head at the corner calls me a loser for not giving him some money to help him out. Seriously?

I really don't think these kinds of acts should even be in the same sentence as AP. When I first came on this website I had a different concept of what a AP is. I think an AP is someone gaming the casino's themselves, mostly using their minds and observance and deeper knowledge of the mechanics and odds of machines. People who hustle people, use outside mechanical devices and maybe even teams who dominate a row of machines, and thus preventing regular guests from using the machines, should not, in my opinion be included under an AP umbrella.

I see no difference between hustling and a scam act.

As casinos state it is the players responsibility to make sure their players card is registered in the machine. If u played without noticing someone else card was in the slot u hav urself to blame. But u WERE earning comps going to waste regardless. Playing unrated or with someone else card in the machine

Your argument then is u would prefer to play without anyone earning those comps not that someone scammed u out of them. If u were placing ur card in properly that wouldnt happen. Meanwhile playing unrated while someone could earn those comps is very much like throwing away boxtops. The garbage may not be a physicak trashcan but please dont fault a hustler that is savvy enough to retrieve your unwanted comps

There are hustles and then there r scammy hustles. My primary concern is with legal hustles which comp huslting falls under

Btw using a mechanical device to ap is not hustling nor ap its cheating under the law something i dont do

Sammydv.

I dont see why u think getting points off someone else play is hustling the player if they giv hav chosen not to use a players card themselves

To be scamming a player i would need to be taking something from them. If they dont use their players card they dont get comped regardless in that situation they r not losing anything as i am just taking what they dont want

Btw i never snuck my card in while someone was playing. Either i left my card in the machine and someone sat down or i asked if i could put the card in (90% of the time people didnt care and said it was fine)

I also find your assesment about cereal gifts not equating incorrect. Both cereal companies and casinos giv freebies for points earned by customer purchases. Your argument that the casino results in money versus toys means u only find it a poor comparison because of the physical gift not the fact that the rewards program is run very much the same

I dont kno why people feel gifts are okay but money is not. Seems very self
Righteous to decry it is a scam if money is thr bottom line but not toys or souvenirs. Companies determine what type of gifts they wish to give. Wit the casino it just happens to b freeplay most of the time