Will Trump Be Impeached ?
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Quote: AZDuffmanAnti-business means regulations that make it more expensive to hire people. Anti-business means wanting to raise taxes. Anti-business means regulations that are needless but raise costs. For example, if there was a regulation that required $25,000 of new filters for the paint booth at you shop, chances are you would not want to expand your business.
Quote:You know what is also common sense? Coal is dead. But when Hillary said she wanted to invest in those coal workers to train them for the new jobs in other energy sectors, the GOP ran ad after ad after taking her comments out of context to make it look like she was coming after them instead of helping them.
That's their playbook. Lie, distort, and mislead. What does it say about your own ideas when you can't be honest about the issues?
Hillary was going after coal miners. Obama promised to bankrupt the coal industry. That would be anti-business. Under Trump, new mines opened. He got rid of senseless regulations that made it too expensive for coal mines to do business.
Like when they lifted the regulations that hindered the banks and made it much easier for them to do business as predators and we wound up entering a recession?
That kind of deregulation?
"Damn, just had a democratic president elected. Best to immediately scale back operations and fire people. Demand for my services is not an important factor in my decision. Just the party affiliation of our current president."
Again if thats how businesses run then they only have themselves to blame for failure
Quote: darkozAgain if thats how businesses run
It's not how they are run. In fact, the opposite is true.
http://presidentialdata.org/
3rd chart down.
Apparently, it's "manly" to be wrong about...everything.
Quote: darkoz
Like when they lifted the regulations that hindered the banks and made it much easier for them to do business as predators and we wound up entering a recession?
That kind of deregulation?
Please be more specific. I was in mortgage banking at this time and I do not remember such deregulation. We actually had dozens of pages required by the feds to disclose this and that.
Quote: AZDuffmanPlease be more specific. I was in mortgage banking at this time and I do not remember such deregulation. We actually had dozens of pages required by the feds to disclose this and that.
I will do the manly thing and Google it so your memory is jogged.
Funny how you lived through it and dont remember it.
https://www.thebalance.com/what-caused-2008-global-financial-crisis-3306176
Quote: darkozSo apparently in the "manly world where things get done" the mantra of business is thus
"Damn, just had a democratic president elected. Best to immediately scale back operations and fire people. Demand for my services is not an important factor in my decision. Just the party affiliation of our current president."
Again if thats how businesses run then they only have themselves to blame for failure
Business does not care the party affiliation. They do care how that POTUS will govern. Obama was hostile to business, having never worked in the real world he had no clue about it. Trump promised a friendlier climate.
For example, Hillary promised to continue the Obama policy of putting coal mines out of business. So if you make gear to mine coal, you will not rush to put on new workers while they are in charge. OTOH, Trump was friendlier to coal. So when he is elected you see where orders will come in.
It goes down the line. A coal miner will be less likely to be buying a car if he thinks the POTUS wants to destroy his industry, affecting other demand.
That is how it works. If it had been Jeb we probably would not have seen the instant boom we saw under Trump.
Quote: darkozI will do the manly thing and Google it so your memory is jogged.
Funny how you lived through it and dont remember it.
https://www.thebalance.com/what-caused-2008-global-financial-crisis-3306176
Seen all this before. None of it relates to deregulation to allow predatory lending, which was your claim.
Quote: rxwinewhether they move to impeach
That's a done deal, they will impeach
him because they erroneously think
that will make his base turn against
him.
They think this even though they
know that Clinton's numbers were
the highest of his presidency when
he was being impeached. If that had
been his first term, he would have
been reelected in a landslide.
Quote: ams288ACTUALLY, Dems are gonna impeach him because it’s the “manly” thing to do!
They'll make up a reason, but it will
happen. A boon for Trump, you'll
see. It'll drive people to vote for
Trump that never would have
otherwise.
Quote: AZDuffmanSeen all this before. None of it relates to deregulation to allow predatory lending, which was your claim.
So you didnt read the first paragraph lol
Quote: AZDuffmanBusiness does not care the party affiliation. They do care how that POTUS will govern. Obama was hostile to business, having never worked in the real world he had no clue about it. Trump promised a friendlier climate.
For example, Hillary promised to continue the Obama policy of putting coal mines out of business. So if you make gear to mine coal, you will not rush to put on new workers while they are in charge. OTOH, Trump was friendlier to coal. So when he is elected you see where orders will come in.
It goes down the line. A coal miner will be less likely to be buying a car if he thinks the POTUS wants to destroy his industry, affecting other demand.
That is how it works. If it had been Jeb we probably would not have seen the instant boom we saw under Trump.
Nobody cares about 3 coalminers and their singing daughter. They should move to a city if they need jobs
Coal mining is like horse and carriage drivers
I suppose you are for deregulation for them to so they can expand their booming horse carriage business
Quote: darkozSo you didnt read the first paragraph lol
It talks about interest-only loans. They are not predatory as long as they are disclosed. And they were not the result of "deregulation."
Mortgages were and are highly regulated. To say they are not you need to be on dope.
Quote: darkozNobody cares about 3 coalminers and their singing daughter. They should move to a city if they need jobs
Coal mining is like horse and carriage drivers
I suppose you are for deregulation for them to so they can expand their booming horse carriage business
Coal is a viable energy source and used in steel production, to name two things.
USA is the Saudi Arabia of coal, we have lifetimes of the stuff.
Your first line is why Hillary lost. Smug, condescending attitude to people you think are beneath you because they get dirty when they work.
Quote: AZDuffmanSmug, condescending attitude to people you think are beneath you because they get dirty when they work.
Which is different how, then when you've said people who don't make enough money working a full time job should just move in with each other than get paid a living wage?
Quote: AZDuffmanCoal is a viable energy source and used in steel production, to name two things.
USA is the Saudi Arabia of coal, we have lifetimes of the stuff.
Your first line is why Hillary lost. Smug, condescending attitude to people you think are beneath you because they get dirty when they work.
Exactly
So you have nothing to worry about. The gop has it made
Most of the country doesn't care about coal miners. You guys are a shoe in each presidency
Coal produces half of the electricity in the world. And 30% of US electric generation. Not quite horse and carriage.Quote: darkozNobody cares about 3 coalminers and their singing daughter. They should move to a city if they need jobs
Coal mining is like horse and carriage drivers
I suppose you are for deregulation for them to so they can expand their booming horse carriage business
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
Quote: rxwineWhich is different how, then when you've said people who don't make enough money working a full time job should just move in with each other than get paid a living wage?
Different because I am not supporting their livelyhood being regulated to extinction because liberals do not like their industry. Obama and Hillary promised to run coal out of business and to hell with the communities they would destroy.
Different because coal miners were not demanding the government force a better wage for them, they just want to work at the wage offered.
Quote: petroglyphCoal produces half of the electricity in the world. And 30% of US electric generation. Not quite horse and carriage.
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
Remember when the lefties got all upset because someone opened a coal mine in PA? They said "we should not be investing in coal" as if they were forced to buy stock in the mine.
Quote: petroglyphCoal produces half of the electricity in the world. And 30% of US electric generation. Not quite horse and carriage.
https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=427&t=3
Wow we really need to hurry up and make it completely eradicated. This country is way behind modern times apparently
Montana as well as PA were supposed to have big CTL facility's. It kind of fell off the radar, but I still think it's a great idea to leave our options open.
https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Gilberton_Coal-to-Clean-Fuels_and_Power_Project
The goal now seems to be just to constantly highlight Donald’s corruption and crimes to ensure he’s as weak a candidate as possible come 2020. (Kind of like what the right did to Hillary, but times ten million).
Can’t wait to watch the House Dems haul high profile witnesses into open hearings come Sept/Oct 2020...
Yesterday was just a teaser.
Quote: ams288At this point, why waste the time with impeachment when the Senate will never convict?
Trump's real crime, his only crime, was that
he beat Hillary. She was so bought and paid
for, so entrenched in the position to be the
first woman president, it was such a done deal,
that there should have been a law against
anybody beating her.
But there wasn't, so the media pretends there
was such a law, and they've been trying to get
rid of Trump ever since. If he hadn't turned out
to be such a great president, it probably
would have worked. Now that their star witness,
Michael Cohen, has sank the ship, they have nothing
else left.
Quote: EvenBobNow that their star witness,
Michael Cohen, has sank the ship, they have nothing
else left.
?????????
Mueller
NY Prosecutors
Manafort
Stone
House investigations
ect
Quote: terapined?????????
Mueller: A dry hole
NY Prosecutors: ?
Manafort: Nothing that touches Trump
Stone: Ditto
House investigations: The House and Senate and
Mueller already had investigations and found
nothing. Waste of time to do it again.
ect: That's all, folks.
Quote: petroglyphWhat about the time that Putin and Trump got together to club some baby seals, but stopped to kick a puppy?
You're being ironic, but that's about
the level this silliness has come down
to. Just because She lost. Hasn't it
gone on long enough? Beat Trump
in the election, get rid of a president
the old fashioned way. Vote him out.
His response would be "what a wonderful president Trump is. He commits absolutely no crimes I know of."
It's sad that this is what the pols want to be the business of this country. There has been at least one if not two or three accusations every week since Trump was sworn in. It's amazing to see the wherewithal the DNC has, to keep this up round the clock. And it doesn't look like he has done anything worse than any other high profile business person. What a waste of time.Quote: EvenBobYou're being ironic, but that's about
the level this silliness has come down
to. Just because She lost. Hasn't it
gone on long enough? Beat Trump
in the election, get rid of a president
the old fashioned way. Vote him out.
Quote: petroglyph. And it doesn't look like he has done anything worse than any other high profile business person.
In that case, guess we just need to indict more people.
Quote: RSSo did Trump run as a publicity stunt and not want to win? Or did he collude with the Russians? Both? Neither?
He wanted to not win so badly he
colluded and the Russian's screwed
it up. He's done nothing in office
but ride the huge tailwind Obama
left behind. Or was it the 'passed
wind' Obama left in the air..
Quote: RSSo did Trump run as a publicity stunt and not want to win? Or did he collude with the Russians? Both? Neither?
Both.
Started out as a publicity stunt. Then he beat all those other GOP losers and he realized he could win this thing with help from his Russian friends.
Quote: petroglyphIt's sad that this is what the pols want to be the business of this country. There has been at least one if not two or three accusations every week since Trump was sworn in. It's amazing to see the wherewithal the DNC has, to keep this up round the clock. And it doesn't look like he has done anything worse than any other high profile business person. What a waste of time.
Its sad that people who dont live in NYC dont realize Trump has been looked on as a con man all along by those who grew up with his antics
Its like if John Gotti was suddenly running for President and all the GOP were like his past history should mean nothing. What a lie that hes a criminal. SMH
Quote: darkozIts sad that people who dont live in NYC dont realize Trump has been looked on as a con man all along by those who grew up with his antics
Its like if John Gotti was suddenly running for President and all the GOP were like his past history should mean nothing. What a lie that hes a criminal. SMH
Living in the Midwest I've thought this ever since I was a kid. Well before he ever had a political agenda.
Quote: darkozIts sad that people who dont live in NYC dont realize Trump has been looked on as a con man all along by those who grew up with his antics
Its like if John Gotti was suddenly running for President and all the GOP were like his past history should mean nothing. What a lie that hes a criminal. SMH
Yeah, well, that's where the Northeast elitist snob image worked against the US as a whole. New York told people again and again what a scumbag he is, provided dozens of examples and proof, and the so-called flyover states chose to ignore and even take umbrage at them telling "good people" who to vote for.
That's the root of how "good people" overlook the lying, cheating, and all the rest of the hypocrisy of choosing Trump. And in defending him against all the idiot moves and tweets he's made since. Doesn't matter that they're hurting themselves, they'd rather believe a liar than accept an unpleasant truth.
Quote: beachbumbabsYeah, well, that's where the Northeast elitist snob image worked against the US as a whole. New York told people again and again what a scumbag he is, provided dozens of examples and proof, and the so-called flyover states chose to ignore and even take umbrage at them telling "good people" who to vote for.
That's the root of how "good people" overlook the lying, cheating, and all the rest of the hypocrisy of choosing Trump. And in defending him against all the idiot moves and tweets he's made since. Doesn't matter that they're hurting themselves, they'd rather believe a liar than accept an unpleasant truth.
In their defense:
A: thats what con men do. Even when evidence exists many thrive on continuing to con people
B: His reality tv show was a big celebrity influence.
I think most Americans assume a rich celebrity cannot be a cheat and a con. At least they are the last suspects.
Quote: ams288Started out as a publicity stunt.
Trump talked about running since the
late 80's. He threw his hat in the ring
and went for it. Nobody puts that much
energy and money behind a 'publicity
stunt'. To gain what, notoriety and
fame he already had worldwide?
That makes zero sense. He was already
on top, even had a long running hit
TV show on a major network. He
genuinely gave it a shot and is now
one of the best presidents we've ever
had.
Quote: EvenBobHe was already
on top, even had a long running hit
TV show on a major network. He
genuinely gave it a shot and is now
one of the best presidents we've ever
had.
Getting a lot of use lately out of this gif thanks to you righties.
Quote: ams288
Getting a lot of use lately out of this gif thanks to you righties.
Trump's success is at the bottom
of all this. First he beats Hillary,
then he has the audacity to
build the wall and bring us a
thriving economy. Like pouring
salt on the wound..
Quote: EvenBobTrump's success is at the bottom
of all this. First he beats Hillary,
then he has the audacity to
build the wall and bring us a
thriving economy. Like pouring
salt on the wound..
Is he really building the wall, or just fixing up existing fencing? And who's paying for it?
Quote: ams288Is he really building the wall, or just fixing up existing fencing? And who's paying for it?
There's enough money for continuing
wall building thru 2020. He's getting
the rest of the money from other
sources. If you were paying attention
at his rallies, he said over and over
the new wall was being built even as
he was speaking.
Quote: EvenBobThere's enough money for continuing
wall building thru 2020. He's getting
the rest of the money from other
sources. If you were paying attention
at his rallies, he said over and over
the new wall was being built even as
he was speaking.
Yeah we paid attention
Its called a lie
Even as we speak astronauts are landing on Saturn.
See how easy it is to lie
Quote: darkozYeah we paid attention Its called a lie
The other locales Trump mentioned do have many miles of existing fencing that is being replaced or strengthened. To date, the fencing is a hodge-podge of projects covering about 650 miles.
In November, the government announced a $324 million contract for 32 miles of "primary pedestrian replacement wall" in Arizona.
A 20-mile border wall replacement project in Santa Teresa, N.M., was announced in April 2018. The cost is reported to be $73.3 million.
A 6-mile "levee wall system" is set for construction in Texas's Rio Grande Valley beginning in February 2019. It will cost $145 million.
A 14-mile "border wall construction project" along the border in San Diego was announced in June 2018. The project actually will replace an "eight-to-10 foot high scrap metal wall with an 18-to-30 foot bollard-style wall topped off with an anti-climbing plate." The cost will be $147 million.
Quote: EvenBobTrump's success is at the bottom
of all this. First he beats Hillary,
then he has the audacity to
build the wall and bring us a
thriving economy. Like pouring
salt on the wound..
I sure am glad he is keeping his promise of making
Mexico pay for the wall so we don't have to.
Happy Friday!
