Blonde4ever
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September 26th, 2016 at 8:02:48 AM permalink
News for CET players....
From Vital Vegas



http://vitalvegas.com/caesars-entertainment-rolls-comp-drink-monitoring-system-las-vegas-resorts/
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Romes
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September 26th, 2016 at 8:54:13 AM permalink
Sigh, we kinda figured these were coming, huh? I heard the voucher system at Mirage was a nightmare and everyone hated it... These seem different though.

IF the article is correct, and in about 4-5 max bet hands you can get the green light, then you can still "get drinks for cheap" if that's your goal... Simply put a $20 in, play .25, max coin, play 5 hands then ask for a drink.

EV = (NumHands * AvgBet) * HouseEdge = (5*1.25)*(-.05) = -0.32.

So this would seem to mean on a 95% payback machine you're expected loss is only 32 cents, while you can then order a "comped" drink.

If you really wanted around it, just cash out and sit in the seat. When you're about ready for another drink, put your ticket back in and play 4-5 more hands max coin (again a 32 cent expected loss) and order again.

It did say Diamond/7 Star could probably still just get free drinks anyways, so there's also that (or just go to the Diamond lounge if it's open and get them).

One thing though... It did say if you didn't keep up play that it would turn red. Though, they said no time factor was involved for now. So I'm curious... Does the light stay green if you just stop playing while waiting for a drink? What if the bartender is busy and it takes him 5-10 minutes to get to you? Does your light go red simply because he's busy or slow?
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Boz
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September 26th, 2016 at 9:42:58 AM permalink
Change is always coming in business and I don't see an issue with this. The only ones that will complain are probably not playing enough to deserve a drink. Serious players are not sitting at a bar drinking and playing these paytables either so it doesn't affect them either way. The choices are simple, either pay for a drink and not play or play enough for the "free" drink. Romes did the math for us.
onenickelmiracle
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September 26th, 2016 at 9:53:50 AM permalink
Blame the people for billions in debt. Seems this might backfire because instead of eliminating free loaders, players realize they're playing more than they have to for a free drink and play less. Plus people who play enough anyway get offended if a snapshot doesn't look good. It is bad customer service and does affect bartender tips I have to agree with the article.
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Boz
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September 26th, 2016 at 10:25:23 AM permalink
Actually the writers say they were against it originally, but have now evolved. And the bartenders interviewed like it. I may be talking in general terms, but the ones who now may have to be concerned about not getting a drink were probably not the best tippers either and may be taking up a valuable seat. Seems to me like you don't have to play much to get a drink. Remember, casinos are still businesses. Damn I sound like Dan.
Ibeatyouraces
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September 26th, 2016 at 10:29:20 AM permalink
I don't drink alcohol so it wouldn't bother me if LV casino charged for these drinks like casinos across America do.
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onenickelmiracle
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September 26th, 2016 at 11:21:02 AM permalink
I don't drink either but these bars probably have 6/5 in dollars so who is really the cheap one? They're not doing this because someone drinks for free sometimes, it's because of the bad bets the casino made.
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Romes
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September 26th, 2016 at 11:22:06 AM permalink
Quote: Boz

Actually the writers say they were against it originally, but have now evolved. And the bartenders interviewed like it...

I believe it was because they can pass the blame on the casino now where it belongs when they can't serve someone. Before the bartenders were just trained to see if someone was playing enough, and wouldn't really serve them if they weren't or would charge them. Now, they can say "This stupid machine has to be green or I get in trouble." This way, they don't look like the bad guy.

Quote: Ibeatyouraces

I don't drink alcohol so it wouldn't bother me if LV casino charged for these drinks like casinos across America do.

It would more than likely bother 'most' that DO drink though.. Wonder which end has enough to actually impact the business? =P.

That's one draw Vegas has always had that all of the other places in the US don't... "FREE" drinks!
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DRich
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September 26th, 2016 at 11:25:12 AM permalink
Although the article thinks otherwise, this system has been installed at some Caesar's bars for over a year.
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100xOdds
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September 26th, 2016 at 2:32:32 PM permalink
Quote: Boz

Change is always coming in business and I don't see an issue with this. The only ones that will complain are probably not playing enough to deserve a drink. Serious players are not sitting at a bar drinking and playing these paytables either so it doesn't affect them either way. The choices are simple, either pay for a drink and not play or play enough for the "free" drink. Romes did the math for us.


I didn't believe people would actually pay for alcohol when they were in a casino till I saw it.

for years Casino Royale was charging $1 for a Michelob beer at the bar.
(there was no machines at the bar till recently.)

I always wondered why doesn't that person just sit at a machine, not play, and get a free beer?
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