mrjjj
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September 6th, 2010 at 1:24:02 PM permalink
You already know where I'm going with this so ya might as well play along. Assuming, there are NO games that the house has NO advantage, why play any of them? (Wait, let me guess, AP) Why are we on these boards? If player 'A' should not be able to win, then doesn't that mean that player 'B' should ALSO not be able to win? Regardless of the game they are playing. The HA is still present whether its keno or perfect strategy play for blackjack. All comments are welcome. Ken
DJTeddyBear
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September 6th, 2010 at 2:08:22 PM permalink
Why do we gamble? Because we know that, although the house always has the long-term advantage, but we also know that on a day-to-day basis, some people go home winners. It's not always the same people, but some absolutely do win. So why not try to see if it's gonna be us?

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To answer your original question, it's been discussed here before: There is a casino in New Mexico (I forget the name) that pays triple on BOTH the 2 and 12 for a craps field bet. That's a 0% edge. I forget what else, but I seem to recall that there was some other bet at that casino that's also 0%.
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Wizard
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September 6th, 2010 at 2:27:07 PM permalink
Some video poker games have a player advantage. 100x odds craps and the Barona single-deck blackjack game have a house edge of about 0.01%, which is almost zero.
It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
Mosca
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September 6th, 2010 at 2:40:54 PM permalink
Pretty straight up: if I wanted to guarantee that I made money, I'd go to work instead. I gamble because I love the thrill right before the cards are turned, the dice settle, the ball drops, the wheels stop. The skip of the beat. Otherwise, why bother.
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FatGeezus
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September 7th, 2010 at 10:35:04 AM permalink
Quote: DJTeddyBear

Why do we gamble? Because we know that, although the house always has the long-term advantage, but we also know that on a day-to-day basis, some people go home winners. It's not always the same people, but some absolutely do win. So why not try to see if it's gonna be us?



"You don't gamble to win. You gamble so you can gamble the next day." - Bert Ambrose, Band leader
pacomartin
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September 7th, 2010 at 10:38:19 AM permalink
Santa Ana Star in New Mexico offered a promotional bet with no house advantage on the craps table.
Ayecarumba
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September 7th, 2010 at 11:41:12 AM permalink
The odds bet in craps is 0%. I am amazed at how many craps players do not play it.
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Ibeatyouraces
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September 7th, 2010 at 5:01:55 PM permalink
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DUHHIIIIIIIII HEARD THAT!
mrjjj
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September 7th, 2010 at 5:33:04 PM permalink
Even if the HA is 0%, where is the advantage for YOU? The last time I checked, 0% is not an advantage. My POINT being...... Granted, 5.26% is high (00 roulette), I dont dispute that. The SAME people that say I cant win are the SAME people who also play a TABLE game where the house has its advantage. lol I dont care if its only .000000001%, you are STILL not suppose to win in the LONG term, technically. They CAN win but its impossible for me? Ken
MathExtremist
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September 7th, 2010 at 5:44:02 PM permalink
Quote: mrjjj

Even if the HA is 0%, where is the advantage for YOU? The last time I checked, 0% is not an advantage. My POINT being...... Granted, 5.26% is high (00 roulette), I dont dispute that. The SAME people that say I cant win are the SAME people who also play a TABLE game where the house has its advantage. lol I dont care if its only .000000001%, you are STILL not suppose to win in the LONG term, technically. They CAN win but its impossible for me? Ken



Nobody says you can't win. The only roulette system I know of where you actually can't win is "put $1 on all 38 spots". Your system doesn't do that. What people are saying is that the EV of your system is negative, just like you know each bet is. Negative EV doesn't mean "you can't win". It just means that over any reasonably-long session, roulette results will tend to cluster around a loss that is 5.26% of the total amount wagered. If your results are above that level (and especially if they're above zero), then you've been lucky. That's all - it's not the system, it's your good luck.
"In my own case, when it seemed to me after a long illness that death was close at hand, I found no little solace in playing constantly at dice." -- Girolamo Cardano, 1563

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