MrV
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September 1st, 2016 at 8:26:21 PM permalink
I wonder how many members of this forum gamble on line, say at least once every month or two?

Me, I never have, and so long as I have access to "real" casinos, I never will.

Of course, when the Old Age Bus finally runs me over such that I can hardly leave my room, well then I might finally have no choice.

So long as I am healthy, I see neither sense nor need to gamble online: the exception being to bet sports (need a bookie).
"What, me worry?"
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September 1st, 2016 at 9:10:38 PM permalink
There's money to be made. The right games with a reputable provider and a nice set of T&C's can result in extremely convenient Advantage Plays that can be taken advantage of at your convenience.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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September 1st, 2016 at 10:29:05 PM permalink
I understand the idea of bonuses for signing up, but I have a problem with not being able to actually observe the table or machine I'd be gambling at.

Sort of a trust issue, I suppose.
"What, me worry?"
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September 2nd, 2016 at 12:05:35 AM permalink
Quote: MrV

I wonder how many members of this forum gamble on line, say at least once every month or two?

Me, I never have, and so long as I have access to "real" casinos, I never will.

Of course, when the Old Age Bus finally runs me over such that I can hardly leave my room, well then I might finally have no choice.

So long as I am healthy, I see neither sense nor need to gamble online: the exception being to bet sports (need a bookie).



It was a huge disappointment to me when they lowered the boom in 2006. It's been ten long years, three states have opened up, and there is a lot of pending legislation and big ideas everywhere. Another ten years, it's going to be wide open, and regulated. I'm hoping anyway. They invented wonderful software. You cannot uninvent it. The genie is out of the bottle. Just a matter of time before the politicians get it together. Again, I'm hoping.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
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September 2nd, 2016 at 12:05:52 AM permalink
I guess there's many reasons ones might want to gamble online.

1)If I had to guess for the most part it's the convenience of not having to get dressed and actually drive to a casino. Internet gambling is a few feet and a few clicks away especially at 3am, it certainly beats infomercials.

2)There could be antisocial reasons involved.

3)Some people don't like gaming with others around.

4)People can eat, drink, listen to whatever music they want sit in their favorite chair and gamble at their own pace without distractions.

5)Oftentimes you only have to be 18.

6)Lack of cash, you can just play on credit using a credit card.

7) Someone might be in a situation where they can't go to a casino. Broken leg or something like that.

8) oftentimes people do it while on the bus, train, or in situations where they have to be someplace just waiting and need to pass some time.

9)Super low limits are available online. Who wants to go to the casino just to play $10?

10)There might be an advantageous situation online.

11)Bonuses give you way more bang for your buck than any B&M casino You can get 350% deposit bonuses. (What B&M casino gives you 3.5 times your buy in?). Sometimes it almost impossible to clear because it takes forever, however many people like to play longer and are not thinking about the HE and negative expectation or how to beat the bonuses. The just like having a much better chance to hit a big jackpot or going on a big run.

12) Oftentimes online casinos have better rules and paytables.

13) NO SMOKE

14) most people don't know as much about rigged and non paying casinos as people on these forums do. Think about the average housewife, grandmother/ father that get blasted with email pop, ups etc who give it a try. They certainly won't realize and know about all the shenanigans associated with online gambling.

15)There's actually a large variety of games online many you wouldn't actually find in a casino.

16) Someone might want anonymity for various reasons.

If you're not an AP looking for an advantage and you're not limited or motivated by some of the reasons I mentioned then I would agree there's absolutely no reason to gamble online.

If every B&M casino had an online casino with the same promotions deals, mail, comps, odds etc. I would much rather play online at home, on some tropical beach or at a park. It would be great, I would get A nice RV and do nothing but travel to all the national parks, water parks, camping areas, good fishing spots, visit places I never been, meanwhile spending more time visiting family and friends and being in any state I wanted for as long as I wanted.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 2nd, 2016 at 1:02:36 AM permalink
I remember when Paradise Poker had all the action. I took my laptop everywhere. I couldn't stop.

I went to Vegas, stayed in my room, and played online poker. What the heck did I even go to Vegas for? The buffets? I dunno, I'm a sick puppy.
'Emergencies' have always been the pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.
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September 2nd, 2016 at 1:48:29 AM permalink
Quote: bobbartop

I remember when Paradise Poker had all the action. I took my laptop everywhere. I couldn't stop.

I went to Vegas, stayed in my room, and played online poker. What the heck did I even go to Vegas for? The buffets? I dunno, I'm a sick puppy.

I tethered my cell phone to my laptop and played poker while fishing sometimes. I would play heads up turbo sit and go tournaments while my GF was driving. I knew all the dead spots from LV to Laughlin.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 2nd, 2016 at 2:42:15 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

I understand the idea of bonuses for signing up, but I have a problem with not being able to actually observe the table or machine I'd be gambling at.

Sort of a trust issue, I suppose.



In AC the Golden Nugget Casino has live dealers for online Roulette, Blackjack and Baccarat. The games run from 5pm to 1am.

When you park your car in the garage, you take the elevator to the casino floor. On your way to the casino there is along hallway. Next to the Arcade room is a room with the tables. You can see the live dealers.

I've played online Roulette. It's no different than playing in the casino. The roulette table is just a wheel. There is no table to place bets. The live dealer spins the ball about every 30 seconds.
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September 2nd, 2016 at 3:58:24 PM permalink
Ahh, the good ol' Unlawful Internet Gambling Enforcement Act of 2006.

Thanks Mr. Frist.
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September 2nd, 2016 at 7:06:02 PM permalink
Quote: Mission146

There's money to be made. The right games with a reputable provider and a nice set of T&C's can result in extremely convenient Advantage Plays that can be taken advantage of at your convenience.



MrV is talking about taking away your rice bowl. And that of this whole site also for that matter. Very serious issue.
I know you live in the land of free speech. But as an Administrator here maybe you are thinking of how you can Really deal with him.
Mission146
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September 2nd, 2016 at 7:13:50 PM permalink
Quote: Deck007

MrV is talking about taking away your rice bowl. And that of this whole site also for that matter. Very serious issue.
I know you live in the land of free speech. But as an Administrator here maybe you are thinking of how you can Really deal with him.



I'm afraid I don't know what you mean, MRV is free to say whatever he likes within the confines of the Rules. He can advise against Online Gambling, even categorically so, to his heart's content.
https://wizardofvegas.com/forum/off-topic/gripes/11182-pet-peeves/120/#post815219
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September 7th, 2016 at 3:48:07 PM permalink
Quote: FatGeezus

In AC the Golden Nugget Casino has live dealers for online Roulette, Blackjack and Baccarat. The games run from 5pm to 1am.

When you park your car in the garage, you take the elevator to the casino floor. On your way to the casino there is along hallway. Next to the Arcade room is a room with the tables. You can see the live dealers.

I've played online Roulette. It's no different than playing in the casino. The roulette table is just a wheel. There is no table to place bets. The live dealer spins the ball about every 30 seconds.

Wow so now all the system bettors really have no excuses. IE it's not random I only play live, I won't get paid if I win, it's not a reputable casino etc etc.
I'm sure they will find an excuse.

Someone like Bob can actually prove his system works without ever actually showing his system.

Can anyone view the live tables?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 7th, 2016 at 4:01:30 PM permalink
There are dozens of different links like this one why I won't play online. http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casinomeister-warnings/

This list on this link is a drop in the bucket compared to what's really going on out there. Now compound that with moving money around back and forth like a snake from the USA which is the illegal part.

Of course I would play online at a regulated USA site if I could.
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September 7th, 2016 at 5:00:25 PM permalink
Quote: blackhole

There are dozens of different links like this one why I won't play online. http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casinomeister-warnings/

This list on this link is a drop in the bucket compared to what's really going on out there. Now compound that with moving money around back and forth like a snake from the USA which is the illegal part.

Of course I would play online at a regulated USA site if I could.

If you're a casual gambler who does it for entertainment, and you can actually make it to a B&M casino. I can't really see a good reason to gamble online, unless it's just a few hundred sitting in a mobile account ready for boring situations like sitting at the DMV or a delayed flight. However, if your a value player looking for an advantage there's good opportunities online that are worth the risk, but you need to do your homework. If you're going to deposit large amounts all willy-nilly that's really dumb IMO.

I have given some examples of successful advantageous situations online, there's really no disputing if done right there has been and are very lucrative opportunities online. One can choose to believe that or not.

I understanding there's horror stories, however over 1.5 BILLION people gamble online a year the number of people not getting paid is low compared to how many actually play online.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
AxelWolf
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September 7th, 2016 at 5:02:03 PM permalink
Quote: blackhole

There are dozens of different links like this one why I won't play online. http://www.casinomeister.com/forums/casinomeister-warnings/

This list on this link is a drop in the bucket compared to what's really going on out there. Now compound that with moving money around back and forth like a snake from the USA which is the illegal part.

Of course I would play online at a regulated USA site if I could.

If you're a casual gambler who does it for entertainment, and you can actually make it to a B&M casino. I can't really see a good reason to gamble online, unless it's just a few hundred sitting in a mobile account ready for boring situations like sitting at the DMV or a delayed flight. However, if your a value player looking for an advantage there's good opportunities online that are worth the risk, but you need to do your homework. If you're going to deposit large amounts all willy-nilly that's really dumb IMO.

I have given some examples of successful advantageous situations online, there's really no disputing if done right there has been and are very lucrative opportunities online. One can choose to believe that or not.

I understanding there's horror stories, however over 1.5 BILLION people gamble online a year the number of people not getting paid is low compared to how many actually play online.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 7th, 2016 at 5:38:24 PM permalink
I understanding there's horror stories, however over 1.5 BILLION people gamble online a year the number of people not getting paid is low compared to how many actually play online.

1% would be 15,000,000 getting screwed. Oh, no problem, unless you are one of the 1% I guess
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September 7th, 2016 at 5:57:11 PM permalink
Quote: 487tracydrive

I understanding there's horror stories, however over 1.5 BILLION people gamble online a year the number of people not getting paid is low compared to how many actually play online.

1% would be 15,000,000 getting screwed. Oh, no problem, unless you are one of the 1% I guess

Please don't just read one of my posts and make a judgment or paint me in the wrong light I have previously said any is to many. I don't like it at all and I have been critical of online gambling in it's current state many times.

I just don't like when people think one size fits all. "Don't/you shouldn't gamble online" Is a pompous statement.


Where do you get that 1% figure anyways? If you're just guessing, that's very irresponsible of you.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 7th, 2016 at 6:02:38 PM permalink
Where did you get that number that 1.5 billion people gamble online a year. Maybe if you count the same person who gambles 100 times a year as 100 people. But no way 1.5 billion different people gamble online. That would be 1 in every 5 people in the world. I read where only 50% of the world population has internet.
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September 7th, 2016 at 7:14:53 PM permalink
Quote: vegas

Where did you get that number that 1.5 billion people gamble online a year. Maybe if you count the same person who gambles 100 times a year as 100 people. But no way 1.5 billion different people gamble online. That would be 1 in every 5 people in the world. I read where only 50% of the world population has internet.

I don't know how they break it down.

I would hope the person who gambled 100 times a year cashed out at some point and if they got stiffed they used caution. I have played many different online casinos and made many cash outs. I have only not gotten paid like 2 times for small amounts I didn't even follow up. Being that I actually played at some fairly sketchy places it was inevitable that something would go wrong.

Oftentimes(not always) it's serial bonus hunters not getting paid. Or people playing at well documented dirty casino's. Part of that falls on the affiliates who advertise them casinos.

Again im not saying it's right I'm saying do your research and be careful.

B&M casino's have been known to play games and not pay Advantage players.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 7th, 2016 at 7:45:19 PM permalink
I have also cashed out many,many times and only once that I had a problem. However you must go over the terms and conditions with a fine tooth comb. At Videoslots casino I am paid minutes after withdrawing. There are good plays available from time to time but just understand the rules.
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September 7th, 2016 at 8:12:06 PM permalink
Quote: vegas

I have also cashed out many,many times and only once that I had a problem. However you must go over the terms and conditions with a fine tooth comb. At Videoslots casino I am paid minutes after withdrawing. There are good plays available from time to time but just understand the rules.

Somewhere I posted how one might want to approach online gambling. IE avoid depositing anything you would be very upset with if you were to get screwed. Don't assume it's random, just shave off 2% or 3 % extra on a game like Video Poker. Don't make large wagers. Don't let your balance get to high, just cash out often if need be. If you would normally walk into a casino with 1k to play and you want to do the same thing online find a few different casino's with good reputations and divide up your money and play time between them. That's a good way to get extra value from the bonuses as well as protection yourself a little bit.

I even gave some reasons people might want to gamble online.
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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September 8th, 2016 at 4:09:38 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Somewhere I posted how one might want to approach online gambling. IE avoid depositing anything you would be very upset with if you were to get screwed. Don't assume it's random, just shave off 2% or 3 % extra on a game like Video Poker. Don't make large wagers. Don't let your balance get to high, just cash out often if need be. If you would normally walk into a casino with 1k to play and you want to do the same thing online find a few different casino's with good reputations and divide up your money and play time between them. That's a good way to get extra value from the bonuses as well as protection yourself a little bit.

I even gave some reasons people might want to gamble online.




I guess Axel’s responses and attitude towards online gaming in its present state (not including legal regulated sites in USA) compared to mine is the difference between an alleged advantage player and a ploppy like myself.

I always when gambling throughout my life would always try playing with the best known strategy at the time that would help me win regardless what game I was presently into. I was to dumb to master card counting, but played everything else just like the Wizard would recommend. You know that saying, "it's not if you win or loose, it's if you had a good bet" or something like that. I had great wins (luck) celebrating in a limo all the way back home, and was also grateful for credit cards since I wouldn’t have enough cash left in my pocket to do or get anything needed for that same ride home.

I guess when you always know you’re going to win and be ahead in the long run, risking money online would mean nothing especially if you’re doing it in reasonable amounts. Of course if you’re always AP’ing and winning, getting screwed a few times online would be like chump change. But, for the 99% of most gamblers that of course want to win but don’t know how to guarantee that, getting screwed just once online is personal especially when we already expect to lose and just want to have some fun. The rare time we win they want to even take that back. That's very personal......

Since I’m retired and have nothing but time on my hands (except when grandchildren sitting) I was wondering Axel how much you would charge me to teach me how to always win gambling online.

With my time and interest, I should be able to take down millions. Even if they steal back 10% here or there it wouldn’t matter. I’d be happy to pay you fairly up front or a percentage of my future guaranteed income for that knowledge.

That would be a sure way to make me an AP believer.
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September 8th, 2016 at 6:30:46 AM permalink
Axel, I noticed you using the grammar abbreviation i.e. often lately. I am far from being any grammar expert and would never attempt to claim that in the slightest. So I did some research on that abbreviation and think what I found out might be helpful for plenty of us here in the future.

Two sentences below are an example of your usage of i.e. Below that is what I found out.

“Wow so now all the system bettors really have no excuses. IE it's not random I only play live, I won't get paid if I win, it's not a reputable casino etc etc.”

“Somewhere I posted how one might want to approach online gambling. IE avoid depositing anything you would be very upset with if you were to get screwed. Don't assume it's random, just shave off 2% or 3 % extra on a game like Video Poker.”



E.g. means “for example,” so you use it to introduce an example: I like card games, e.g., bridge and crazy eights. Because I used e.g., you know that I have provided a list of examples of card games that I like. It's not a finite list of all card games I like; it's just a few examples.

On the other hand, i.e. means “in other words,” so you use it to introduce a further clarification: I like to play cards, i.e., bridge and crazy eights. Because I used i.e., which introduces a clarification, you know that these are the only card games that I enjoy.

Don't italicize i.e. and e.g.; even though they are abbreviations for Latin words, they've been used for so long that they're considered a standard part of the English language. Also, remember that they are abbreviations, so there is always a period after each letter.

Also, I always put a comma after i.e. and e.g. I've noticed that my spell checker always freaks out and wants me to remove the comma, but five out of six style guides recommend the comma.
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September 8th, 2016 at 8:27:47 AM permalink
Quote: blackhole

Axel, I noticed you using the grammar abbreviation i.e. often lately. I am far from being any grammar expert and would never attempt to claim that in the slightest. So I did some research on that abbreviation and think what I found out might be helpful for plenty of us here in the future.

Also, I always put a comma after i.e. and e.g. I've noticed that my spell checker always freaks out and wants me to remove the comma, but five out of six style guides recommend the comma.



Since i.e. is an abbreviation for "id est," which simply means, "that is," my personal rule is that if I were to change the sentence accordingly, and it needed a comma there, I would use it:

I think that Donald Trump is unfit for office; i.e., he's an insane proto-fascist pig.
I think that Donald Trump is unfit for office; that is, he's an insane proto-fascist pig.

The expression "e.g." is an abbreviation for "exempli gratia," meaning "for the sake (purpose) of example." So you could rephrase it as simply "for example," and since it is an interjection, it should always be offset by commas or a semicolon and a comma.

It's impolite to show excessive emotion at the blackjack table, e.g., strangling the dealer or urinating on the floorman. (in this example, I used a comma rather than a semicolon before "e.g." because I was introducing a dependent, not an independent clause--a good rule to follow.)

Spellcheckers, being software, are written by semi-literate nerds who dream in computer code but are usually not verbally articulate enough to successfully order a sandwich. The incidence of English grammar errors in spellcheckers is ludicrous.
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September 8th, 2016 at 9:30:23 AM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Can anyone view the live tables?



https://nj-casino.goldennuggetcasino.com/

You have to physically be in NJ to play on-line in NJ. I don't know if you can view it if you are not in NJ.

Give it a try and let us know?

Live dealers start at 5pm Eastern.
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September 8th, 2016 at 3:30:33 PM permalink
Quote: FatGeezus

https://nj-casino.goldennuggetcasino.com/

You have to physically be in NJ to play on-line in NJ. I don't know if you can view it if you are not in NJ.

Give it a try and let us know?

Live dealers start at 5pm Eastern.



I just discovered that the live dealers are for real money. There is no 'Demo' mode.
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September 8th, 2016 at 4:22:39 PM permalink
Quote: blackhole

I guess Axel’s responses and attitude towards online gaming in its present state (not including legal regulated sites in USA) compared to mine is the difference between an alleged advantage player and a ploppy like myself.

I always when gambling throughout my life would always try playing with the best known strategy at the time that would help me win regardless what game I was presently into. I was to dumb to master card counting, but played everything else just like the Wizard would recommend. You know that saying, "it's not if you win or loose, it's if you had a good bet" or something like that. I had great wins (luck) celebrating in a limo all the way back home, and was also grateful for credit cards since I wouldn’t have enough cash left in my pocket to do or get anything needed for that same ride home.

I guess when you always know you’re going to win and be ahead in the long run, risking money online would mean nothing especially if you’re doing it in reasonable amounts. Of course if you’re always AP’ing and winning, getting screwed a few times online would be like chump change. But, for the 99% of most gamblers that of course want to win but don’t know how to guarantee that, getting screwed just once online is personal especially when we already expect to lose and just want to have some fun. The rare time we win they want to even take that back. That's very personal......

Since I’m retired and have nothing but time on my hands (except when grandchildren sitting) I was wondering Axel how much you would charge me to teach me how to always win gambling online.

With my time and interest, I should be able to take down millions. Even if they steal back 10% here or there it wouldn’t matter. I’d be happy to pay you fairly up front or a percentage of my future guaranteed income for that knowledge.

That would be a sure way to make me an AP believer.




I guess no response means I'll have to remain just a foolish floppy. I'll be in A.C. at the Bogata, 09/17 and 18, playing poker, any plays available there I could take advantage of? Be nice to know I could come home a winner regardless what happens with tourney. C'mon Axel loosen up and send me a pm.
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