Hit Frequency on WOF?

Played quite a bit of WOF in various denoms ($1, $5 and $100) at various properties this NYE weekend. In particular had a few winning sessions on the $100 at Venetian and Wynn (old model) and a loser at Rio go figure. The new $100 IGT model (Dbl Diamond) seems to give a decent amt of mixed bar action $500 every now and then. Does anyone have any stats on basic hit frequencies, spin bonus occurrences, etc?

Before I sat down at Venetian, it was played for over 95 spins ($9500+) without a wheel hit. I got it on the 28th spin at Wynn and got $6000 from the wheel. Fun game, but you need a solid bankroll to hang in there.

Happy New Year folks
-HL

I have no idea what the expected frequency is for a spin on the $100 game but there are several videos on YouTube where players sit down with a bankroll of $4,000 for 40 plays believing they will get one spin in 40.

I know a player (not me) who started with $3,000 and counted 80 plays because of smaller wins such as bars and cherries and got ZERO spins on the wheel.

I know another player who with $500 got a spin on the 4th play and that spin paid $4,000. This same player told me that on a separate visit he lost $3,000 with no spins and getting only one cherry which paid $200.

I was walking thru the high limit room at Bellagio about two months ago and I saw their $100 Wheel game -- no one was playing -- but the game was showing a "spin" and the amount won was $10,000. I have no idea if that represented a profit or not for the player -- but the player did not play again.

I don't know if this is significant but consider this: there were several players who came and went at the $100 Wheel game at Caesars on December 30th. I was playing video poker nearby when the Wheel machine lit up -- NOT because of a win but because there was trouble with the machine. It turned out that the cash box was full and would not accept any more $100 bills.

I like to play the $5 machine with maybe 30 credits (15 spins). I'd say my spin hit rate has been above 50%, which is most likely above expectation. With that said, it's been very easy to lose 50 credits without a spin.

I would put it in the 2% range, as a rough, broad-side, guess.

Quote: AlanMendelson

I don't know if this is significant but consider this: there were several players who came and went at the $100 Wheel game at Caesars on December 30th. I was playing video poker nearby when the Wheel machine lit up -- NOT because of a win but because there was trouble with the machine. It turned out that the cash box was full and would not accept any more $100 bills.

You can go to the cage and get large vouchers to eliminate the need to pump $100's into the machine, for those so inclined to play at those levels.

My general observation is that on high dollar ($10 per play --> $100 per play) WoF you should get a spin bonus once every 30 plays or so. But it is random, so you can get spins back to back, or spins on 4 out of 10 games, or go 50 games without a spin, or go 200 games without a spin.

My favorites are the Pink Diamond $5 at Borgata in AC. 5 line, $25 per play, but getting 2 "SPIN" pays back 2 units. Lots of line pays, easy to get a lot of play out of a couple-tree Benjies, and a decent big win on the spin wheel, I think it's $5k.

ZOMG! Really? I had no idea. I can't imagine putting that much into a machine at one time - well, I can, but I don't think I ever would. Still, that's a nifty tip.

Quote: Mosca

My general observation is that on high dollar ($10 per play --> $100 per play) WoF you should get a spin bonus once every 30 plays or so. But it is random, so you can get spins back to back, or spins on 4 out of 10 games, or go 50 games without a spin, or go 200 games without a spin.

My favorites are the Pink Diamond $5 at Borgata in AC. 5 line, $25 per play, but getting 2 "SPIN" pays back 2 units. Lots of line pays, easy to get a lot of play out of a couple-tree Benjies, and a decent big win on the spin wheel, I think it's $5k.

Lowest spin win is $100 (never seen less on a $5 machine), so that covers 2/3 of your theo already on one in 30 spins. The normal game covers more than 1/3 of your return, doesnt it? This is what's kept me from saying the exact same thing and guessing one in fifty instead.

Correction, it'd be one in ten. Hmm

I'm going to change my estimation to 3-4% or 1 in 25-30ish, I was going off of bad math saying 2%.

I've played the $100 twice actually pretty hard at Rio (don't ask me why Rio, in retrospect that was a bad location). FYI, the lowest spin is $2000 on the newer model IGT machine.

I handed $3000 to the cage girl for a ticket. Sat down, there were some spectators already gathering wanting to watch. I jumped in after watching a guy the previous night go bust on it without getting a spin. I ran my 3k down to $300...yes $300 and got a spin for $3000. So I think 28-29 reel spins after so bar action.

6.5% is NOT exactly the return that would justify the risk, but it was fun I guess...I will play it again, but with Free Play or profits at some point.

Love to see any IGT sheets on that machine if anyone has access to them. I believe there is only one symbol on the 3rd reel in case anyone is wondering.

Quote: HLgrinder

Love to see any IGT sheets on that machine if anyone has access to them. I believe there is only one symbol on the 3rd reel in case anyone is wondering.

Yes there is only one Spin symbol and it's on the third reel, but in the world of modern, virtual slots it wouldn't matter if all but one symbol showed Spin. The RNG controls when the Spin shows up -- so one Spin symbol or 20 Spin symbols it all comes down to the program.

Quote: HLgrinder

Love to see any IGT sheets on that machine if anyone has access to them. I believe there is only one symbol on the 3rd reel in case anyone is wondering.

Without knowing which payback percentage the casino/IGT has it set at you wouldn't be able to know which PAR sheet to use. Without looking at the sheets a good guess would be between 40 and 60 spins depending on the configured paytable.

Quote: DRich

Without knowing which payback percentage the casino/IGT has it set at you wouldn't be able to know which PAR sheet to use. Without looking at the sheets a good guess would be between 40 and 60 spins depending on the configured paytable.

I thought all WOF games with wide area progressives have the same settings?

This would not include the $100 games which are not part of a wide area network.

Quote: AlanMendelson

I thought all WOF games with wide area progressives have the same settings?

This would not include the $100 games which are not part of a wide area network.

Yes and no. All games on the same progressive have to have the same odds of hitting the jackpot. Generally when you see WOF games you will see different jackpot amounts based on denomination.

Recently some companies have released multi=denom games on the same progressive. In that case the odds have to be the same relative to the bet. ie. A $1 denom game with a max bet of $3 will have the same odds as the $0,01 game with a max bet of 300. If a two coin $0.25 game was on the same progressive it would be six times the odds of the dollar and penny game.

With that said the payback percentages of the games do not have to be the same, just the odds of the top jackpot.