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kewlj
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September 14th, 2015 at 10:49:12 AM permalink
Will they never learn?

http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/advantage-gambler-sues-hard-rock-hotel

Thank goodness we have Bob Nersesian on our side. :) This will be an easy 6 figure hit to these uneducated goons.

PGDAN, tell me again who are the bad guys, the ones breaking the law, AP's or casinos?
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September 14th, 2015 at 11:12:17 AM permalink
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The lawsuit claims the security personnel "audaciously and without authority informed the plaintiff that, because the casino is private property, plaintiff did not have the ability to leave until he complied with defendant's demands for identification."


Yep, I'm the owner of a 7-11... You came in to buy a slurpy and I'm not gonna let you leave until you show me your ID!!!

Astonishing... Let's think about this. They confiscated $3600 in chips. So what was he playing? $500 max bet maybe intending on buying more if needed or something? Maybe 2x300? So what was this guy going to earn from playing at the Hard Rock? Let's run some numbers... Assuming he was playing a .36 house edge game (good game - 6D LS S17), and working his spread to be a 2x300 max bet out at TC +4. Also assuming a $50 min table and only wonging out at TC < -1 = $71.35/hour.

Okay, so he's from NJ, goes to Vegas several times a year I'm sure... So let's say he goes to vegas 4 times a year (once per quarter). During that trip let's say he gets 10 hours of play from the hard rock - I would think this is A LOT... 5 different sessions of 2 hours even! That's going to equate out to about $700 per trip (surely there's tipping, mistakes, cover, etc, that rounds this number down even more). This would mean PER YEAR he earns about $2800 from the Hard Rock (don't forget taxes, but we're just looking at it from the Hard Rock's stand point).

So let's see... $2800 per year, say he counts for 30 years. Well that comes out to be a LIFETIME WIN from the Hard Rock of $84,000. Now what did they do? They went ahead and broke the law in order to get in a lawsuit that's going to cost them probably $200,000 (with attorneys fee's, etc). They effectively chose to break the law and then lose $200k from their bottom line (about 3 LIFETIMES of counting for Kho) because they are bullies with a serious power tripping complex.

Brilliant. Just brilliant. I wonder why casinos go bankrupt when they have so many suckers playing so many losing games?
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September 14th, 2015 at 11:19:23 AM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Will they never learn?

http://www.reviewjournal.com/business/casinos-gaming/advantage-gambler-sues-hard-rock-hotel

Thank goodness we have Bob Nersesian on our side. :) This will be an easy 6 figure hit to these uneducated goons.

PGDAN, tell me again who are the bad guys, the ones breaking the law, AP's or casinos?



Stuff like this happens in every business. There are good people and bad people in every business. It doesn't make the whole casino bad, just like having one employee refuse to serve a someone who is gay doesn't make the whole franchise/business bad.


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kewlj
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September 14th, 2015 at 11:21:03 AM permalink
In addition to what will likely be a lawsuit loss or settlement, there should also be a substantial fine from the Nevada Gaming Commission for the violation of the non-cashing of the chips situation, which should occur fairly quickly.

There have been enough of these cases in Las Vegas and Nevada, that you just don't see many locally anymore. For the most part casinos seemed to have learnt this lesson. What we have seen recently is cases in these newer jurisdictions that are still going through the learning process. It should be noted, that this property recently changed hands to an out-of-state outfit that needs to understand the law and they will now have that 'opportunity'. :)
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September 14th, 2015 at 11:26:41 AM permalink
Quote: Zcore13

Stuff like this happens in every business. There are good people and bad people in every business. It doesn't make the whole casino bad,


ZCore13



This doesn't sound like a case of one bad or uninformed employee. There was a violation at the cage. There was illegal arrest and handcuffing on the casino floor and illegal detention in the back room along with illegal search.

At the very least there are several employees involved, including presumably someone fairly high up. These actions don't occur without someone higher ups authority or approval. And that does make the whole casino bad, or at minimum uneducated with improper training.
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September 14th, 2015 at 11:43:41 AM permalink
After reading that - he might actually get more then 200k. That's a pretty Blatant violation.
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September 14th, 2015 at 11:57:55 AM permalink
The cage DOES have the right to ask for ID for reporting issues. Motorcity here requires it at $2500+
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September 14th, 2015 at 12:00:10 PM permalink
I just mailed Hard Rock my Backstage pass along with a copy of the RJ article. I'm sure no one will jump off a bridge but maybe they'll get the message.
Romes
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September 14th, 2015 at 12:09:57 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

The cage DOES have the right to ask for ID for reporting issues. Motorcity here requires it at $2500+


I think you're right but a bit out of context/confusing. They have the right to ASK, not demand. The customer has the right to REFUSE, and is not subject to detention for refusing. In the case of a CTR they are supposed to ask, but if the patron refuses they're protocol is to actually take down the best physical description of the patron as they can, and then to go ahead and cash the chips.
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September 14th, 2015 at 12:19:34 PM permalink
I do not think that is correct in regard to the ctr- once you go above that threshold they do not have to cash the chips unless you provide I'd- I have had this happen numerous times . They either refuse the buy in at the table and in the case of Hollywood casinos they simply refused to cash the chips without I
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