AP sues Hard Rock LV

Quote: Wizardofnothing

I do not think that is correct in regard to the ctr- once you go above that threshold they do not have to cash the chips unless you provide I'd- I have had this happen numerous times . They either refuse the buy in at the table and in the case of Hollywood casinos they simply refused to cash the chips without I

Every casino had different thresholds. This reporting isn't for CTRs, it's for keeping a log of your daily activity incase you amass the $10,000+

Casinos always have the right to ASK for ID for any transaction, or even for no transaction (ie: you go to cage to ask a question, they can ask for ID).

The casino may have whatever rules (casino rules, not laws) in place of when to ask for ID. But, a patron is not required to show ID when cashing out if the single cash-out or day's total cash out (or buy in) exceeds $10,000. If it exceeds $10K, they will demand ID, and without providing ID, they will not cash you out (or buy you in, if you're at a table). If it's less than $10K, they can only ask for ID, but not demand.

As far as SARs (Suspicious Activity Report) they are still not required to get ID for such cash-outs (ie: between $3K and < $10K). They can ask for ID, but, they cannot demand ID. If the patron refuses to show ID, they are supposed to write down the best physical description of the player and any other information about the player they can [legally] muster up.

Unless the guy already cashed out $6375 on the same day, he would not be required to show ID.

Refusing to cash chips and confiscating chips is a pretty important distinction.

Quote: mcallister3200

Refusing to cash chips and confiscating chips is a pretty important distinction.

Yes, taking chips without issueing a receipt and calling gaming commision, amounts to stealing

Quote: RS

Casinos always have the right to ASK for ID for any transaction, or even for no transaction (ie: you go to cage to ask a question, they can ask for ID).

The casino may have whatever rules (casino rules, not laws) in place of when to ask for ID. But, a patron is not required to show ID when cashing out if the single cash-out or day's total cash out (or buy in) exceeds $10,000. If it exceeds $10K, they will demand ID, and without providing ID, they will not cash you out (or buy you in, if you're at a table). If it's less than $10K, they can only ask for ID, but not demand.

As far as SARs (Suspicious Activity Report) they are still not required to get ID for such cash-outs (ie: between $3K and < $10K). They can ask for ID, but, they cannot demand ID. If the patron refuses to show ID, they are supposed to write down the best physical description of the player and any other information about the player they can [legally] muster up.

Unless the guy already cashed out $6375 on the same day, he would not be required to show ID.

What if the cashier says... "I need to see your ID to be sure you are at least 21. I will not proceed with this transaction without that proof?" My supermarket chain here requires such proof for all alcohol purchases even if you are obviously well over that age.

The answer Soopoo is the same. You can refuse to show your ID and the supermarket can refuse the transaction. They cannot send security to hold you, handcuff you for not showing ID and steal the money you were going to use to make the purchase.

Quote: Wizardofnothing

I do not think that is correct in regard to the ctr- once you go above that threshold they do not have to cash the chips unless you provide I'd- I have had this happen numerous times . They either refuse the buy in at the table and in the case of Hollywood casinos they simply refused to cash the chips without I

Nersesian said at least for Nevada, they can not refuse a cash out. A buy in is a different story; they're choosing not to book your action. Casino chips are a debt that by nevada gaming law they must pay. The protocol, as was described by Bob, is they must take the best physical description they can and put that on the report because they're legally obligated to pay the debt (chips).

If you're any serious or pro I'd definitely recommend contacting a local attorney to check your states laws regarding this. What I have to say is just hear-say, but it was from Nersesian's mouth at least? =p

Quote: Romes

So let's see... $2800 per year, say he counts for 30 years. Well that comes out to be a LIFETIME WIN from the Hard Rock of $84,000. Now what did they do? They went ahead and broke the law in order to get in a lawsuit that's going to cost them probably $200,000 (with attorneys fee's, etc). They effectively chose to break the law and then lose $200k from their bottom line (about 3 LIFETIMES of counting for Kho) because they are bullies with a serious power tripping complex.

What if he knew that going in and factored it into his AP calculations? His hourly EV looks a lot higher than $75 or so if you factor in the proceeds from litigation (even accounting for the non-unity probability of success).

That should be a joke. Here's a first draft:

Q: An advantage player is gambling against a casino. Who wins?
A: Their lawyers.

He should end up with a good payday for this, however he should have left without cashing out.
Unless he was hoping for a lawsuit.

Quote: Zcore13

Stuff like this happens in every business. There are good people and bad people in every business. It doesn't make the whole casino bad, just like having one employee refuse to serve a someone who is gay doesn't make the whole franchise/business bad.

Well said.

Quote: Wizardofnothing

After reading that - he might actually get more then 200k. That's a pretty Blatant violation.

I agree, should be an easy victory, just a question of the amount. I'd take the over on 200K. My line is 400K.