kenarman
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May 8th, 2015 at 11:44:50 AM permalink
Anybody have details on this rebate yet?
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May 8th, 2015 at 11:48:15 AM permalink
It's for new player's card members only, I believe
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May 8th, 2015 at 11:50:00 AM permalink
http://www.downtowngrand.com/packages/you-cant-lose
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May 8th, 2015 at 12:05:08 PM permalink
That worked out great for Revel when they used those same words.

DG is always trying to find an identity and is always hiring new people to run the gaming operation. I get calls all the time from different hosts asking me to come back and asking what they can do to get me back. When I mention matching my offers at other LV casinos, they will not commit to those numbers. I like the location and the hotel but the casino is small and they really don't have a lot to offer in good value games.
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May 8th, 2015 at 12:14:04 PM permalink
As always the devil is in the details and there are no details in the link provided.

If any members get a chance to ask in person how it works I would appreciate it.
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May 8th, 2015 at 12:46:48 PM permalink
Quote: kenarman

If any members get a chance to ask in person how it works I would appreciate it.



Seconded, will be there in a couple of weeks. I come back often enough that I can meet most pick up requirements unless it's something absurd like Revel.
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May 8th, 2015 at 1:10:45 PM permalink
I was tempted to wait on signing up, but signed up on my last trip on April 26th to use some ACG crap...I'm a stupid idiot.
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May 8th, 2015 at 1:17:06 PM permalink
I just signed up for this last weekend. You get 24 hours of play when your 24 hours is up they will give you 50% of your losses back in free play right away then after a month they'll give you 25% back and then a month after that you'll get the remaining 25% back.
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May 8th, 2015 at 1:21:35 PM permalink
Quote: ck1313

I just signed up for this last weekend. You get 24 hours of play when your 24 hours is up they will give you 50% of your losses back in free play right away then after a month they'll give you 25% back and then a month after that you'll get the remaining 25% back.



Does that second installment only last a month? Third installment only last a month too? i.e. If you show up 6 months later after you used the next day 50%, what happens? You don't get any of the 50%? Just 25% of it? All 50% of it?
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May 8th, 2015 at 1:21:49 PM permalink
Quote: ahiromu

Seconded, will be there in a couple of weeks. I come back often enough that I can meet most pick up requirements unless it's something absurd like Revel.


Thirded. I'll be there next week for/before the meetup =). Can anyone confirm?
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May 8th, 2015 at 1:45:05 PM permalink
Is this only on slots, or can I use for table games?
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May 8th, 2015 at 3:10:45 PM permalink
Its REEL AND VIDEO SLOTS ONLY,no table games, keno or VP. There are blue stickers saying, this machine is excluded from rebate promotion. They are on just about every game that's not a slot.

The girl said you have 24 hrs to lose. After 24 hrs, but within the next 24, you must return to the players club and they load the first 50% of your losses in free play. Then you have 24 hrs to collect the first 50% of any losses, She was was adamant about that. Then they send something in the mail she said.

Im not sure if all this information is correct because I won, but it sounds convoluted.

I specifically asked her, what if I lose my 1k really quick, can I come back and have it loaded? she said, no. Someone should try it anyways
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 8th, 2015 at 3:24:13 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf



Im not sure if all this information is correct because I won, but it sounds convoluted.



Max bet on Family Guy?
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May 8th, 2015 at 3:41:39 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

Max bet on Family Guy?



I would if they had it (and was still promo eligible...bah). I missed seeing it there though. I actually meant to play it in Vegas this last trip, but beer and video poker seemed to get in the way. I can't name a casino outside of Vegas that even has Family Guy anymore. I don't think it ever even made it to St. Louis.
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May 8th, 2015 at 4:29:35 PM permalink
1000 dollar loss rebate is more fun than a box of cats!



Wait no it's not :(
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May 8th, 2015 at 4:46:38 PM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

Max bet on Family Guy?

they didn't have family guy )-; Not that I would have played that anyways. The max bet isn't high enough. They do have
Bat Man & The Flintstones but the max bet is low. A friend wanted wanted to play lower denominations slos so I got to sweat a his action on Batman.

I'm rethinking how I approached the promotion. I still have until tonight to go back... doubt I will. Ill probably just lock up a profit, saves me the headache of returning 3 more times.

My GF doesn't have a card yet, so I'm going have her try something different.
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May 8th, 2015 at 5:05:54 PM permalink
Quote: Perdition

1000 dollar loss rebate is more fun than a box of cats!



Wait no it's not :(

"Someone" I know already has a card there. "He" probably looked like this once he found out about the LR https://c2.staticflickr.com/6/5312/7066766269_8e6c38ed2a_z.jpg
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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May 8th, 2015 at 5:41:52 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

Its REEL AND VIDEO SLOTS ONLY,no table games, keno or VP. There are blue stickers saying, this machine is excluded from rebate promotion. They are on just about every game that's not a slot.

The girl said you have 24 hrs to lose. After 24 hrs, but within the next 24, you must return to the players club and they load the first 50% of your losses in free play. Then you have 24 hrs to collect the first 50% of any losses, She was was adamant about that. Then they send something in the mail she said.

Im not sure if all this information is correct because I won, but it sounds convoluted.

I specifically asked her, what if I lose my 1k really quick, can I come back and have it loaded? she said, no. Someone should try it anyways



Do you have to run the free play rebate through once to cash it or can you pull it out immediately?
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May 8th, 2015 at 5:55:11 PM permalink
I think that's the definition of free "play".
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May 9th, 2015 at 7:15:14 AM permalink
Quote: RogerKint

Max bet on Family Guy?

Diamonds, daisies, snowflakes . . .
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May 9th, 2015 at 7:29:21 AM permalink
For some reason the buttons were always sticky on that machine at Harrahs when a 60 year old guy walked away.
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May 9th, 2015 at 10:23:11 AM permalink
Screw these stupid casinos that give you a crappy T-shirt or something when you signup, then months later change it to a $1,000 loss rebate for "new players only".
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May 9th, 2015 at 11:10:28 AM permalink
Quote: teddys

Diamonds, daisies, snowflakes . . .



Sadly I've played that one too.
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May 9th, 2015 at 4:21:09 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

Screw these stupid casinos that give you a crappy T-shirt or something when you signup, then months later change it to a $1,000 loss rebate for "new players only".

Lesson learned.
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May 9th, 2015 at 4:48:58 PM permalink
So what would be the best way for me to play this?

My machine knowledge is very limited. I might be a 2nd grader when it comes to machines.

Is the goal to take the loss? Is there a way to lose and get lucky at the same time?

Or is the advantage that you get to take a free $1000 shot at winning a session?

I do know how to convert free play into actual dollars with minimal loss. I am assuming the loss rebate would come in the form of free play that you have to cycle once.
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May 9th, 2015 at 7:19:52 PM permalink
The LV Review Journal in an article today said the rebate schedule is different for out of state players. They didn't have the details in the article. Anybody know?
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May 9th, 2015 at 7:29:26 PM permalink
Quote: kenarman

The LV Review Journal in an article today said the rebate schedule is different for out of state players. They didn't have the details in the article. Anybody know?



I''m pretty sure the the promo person said in 24 hours everyone get 50% back. and then for out of staters they can come back in 3 months for 25%. I forgot about the last 25%. I'm a bad listener, wasn't really paying attention. I can ask tomorrow when I come back for rebate.


This is gunna be fun, I never played slots before.
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May 9th, 2015 at 7:32:44 PM permalink
Looking forward to the answer. I am also out of state and will be in Vegas in 2 weeks and am considering doing something with the offer.
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May 9th, 2015 at 10:05:09 PM permalink
This is exciting and either rebate schedule works for me. Any high limit slots still available? My definition of high limit is $10 or more per spin.
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May 9th, 2015 at 10:53:41 PM permalink
Quote: sabre

Screw these stupid casinos that give you a crappy T-shirt or something when you signup, then months later change it to a $1,000 loss rebate for "new players only".


completely agree!
luckily for me I didn't sign up any downtown casino
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May 10th, 2015 at 12:00:20 AM permalink
Quote: sabre

Screw these stupid casinos that give you a crappy T-shirt or something when you signup, then months later change it to a $1,000 loss rebate for "new players only".



When I first moved to Vegas my first "home" was Sam's Town, so naturally I signed up for every card in every casino on Boulder Hwy. It was a huge mistake which cost me $500 or so in the future when a promotion reared its head.

I did worse though, I signed up for a Palms card when they had a $1000 loss rebate, along with play 10k coin in and get $100 or 200 in freeplay within the first 24 hours. I didn't know what the hell a loss rebate was so I just played 1/2c 9/6 jacks 100 play, and didn't even know about the table games rebate neither.
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May 10th, 2015 at 1:19:53 AM permalink
Ok looks like I won. According Wizards slot loss rebate page, I have way more units than win goal. I assume that the return is 85% and I am doing half kelly.

So what do I do now? Just stop? I never even got to use the rebate. Sunday is 8x points, I thought it would be fun to play through that. Can I set a higher win goal? Maybe in the process I will generate a lot of points to use for free play. Or maybe I should call it quits while I'm ahead?
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May 10th, 2015 at 1:46:35 PM permalink
Quote: Avincow

Ok looks like I won. According Wizards slot loss rebate page, I have way more units than win goal. I assume that the return is 85% and I am doing half kelly.

So what do I do now? Just stop? I never even got to use the rebate. Sunday is 8x points, I thought it would be fun to play through that. Can I set a higher win goal? Maybe in the process I will generate a lot of points to use for free play. Or maybe I should call it quits while I'm ahead?



Bump. Advice please. My 24 hours is almost up. My gut says to walk away, but if there's any knowledgable machine players who have an argument for keep playing, I'm open to advice. Thanks :)
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May 10th, 2015 at 2:01:56 PM permalink
Quote: Avincow

Bump. Advice please. My 24 hours is almost up. My gut says to walk away, but if there's any knowledgable machine players who have an argument for keep playing, I'm open to advice. Thanks :)

How much money are you up? How valuable is you're time? REMEMBER if you lose you have to come back 3 times (I think) then you have to run free play.
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May 10th, 2015 at 4:40:23 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

How much money are you up? How valuable is you're time? REMEMBER if you lose you have to come back 3 times (I think) then you have to run free play.



Thanks for responding, I was hoping someone like you would respond. I'm up about $700. So I don't know if I can do much better than that really. I know nothing about slots, so I figured I ask just to be sure. I come back to Vegas about every 2-3 months. So maybe I can reclaim the free play maybe not. Never know with work. Let's assume worst case I only claim 75% loss rebate total.
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May 10th, 2015 at 5:47:48 PM permalink
Quote: Avincow

Thanks for responding, I was hoping someone like you would respond. I'm up about $700. So I don't know if I can do much better than that really.


If it were me, I think I would cash out up $ 700. But easy for me to say that from my easy chair at home. Maybe set a lower limit, ie, cash out if you get down to only $ 500 up.
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May 10th, 2015 at 6:45:11 PM permalink
Quote: Avincow

Thanks for responding, I was hoping someone like you would respond. I'm up about $700. So I don't know if I can do much better than that really. I know nothing about slots, so I figured I ask just to be sure. I come back to Vegas about every 2-3 months. So maybe I can reclaim the free play maybe not. Never know with work. Let's assume worst case I only claim 75% loss rebate total.



If youre out of state, quit. Like axel points out, losing obligates you to come back.
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May 10th, 2015 at 6:45:15 PM permalink
Quote: Avincow

Thanks for responding, I was hoping someone like you would respond. I'm up about $700. So I don't know if I can do much better than that really. I know nothing about slots, so I figured I ask just to be sure. I come back to Vegas about every 2-3 months. So maybe I can reclaim the free play maybe not. Never know with work. Let's assume worst case I only claim 75% loss rebate total.

this is what you should do if your up $700 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlvsdRqxmJk
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May 10th, 2015 at 6:47:15 PM permalink
Alright, good point. I will stop while ahead (only did a few spins today just for fun since I never get to play slots). That was fun though. Finished with $520 profit (I forgot to subtract my buy in, still more than met my unit win goal)

Can't wait until there's another slot loss promo going on
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May 16th, 2015 at 9:26:52 PM permalink
What are the odds that this will be still valid on June 26th for my next trip to "Lost Wages" ?
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May 17th, 2015 at 5:39:51 PM permalink
I would advise anyone considering this promotion to thoroughly review the rules which as of today have come out. The player services reps do not have the info. There are many caveats.

For locals- 1st 50% of rebate available available in 24 hours and nust be claimed within 24 hour window. Must be claimed at desk.
2nd rebate applied to card 25% the 2nd Monday following the 24 hours from the first rebate and valid 7 days. Auto applied to card.
3rd rebate available 3rd Monday following the 24 hours from first rebate and valid for 7 days. Auto applied to card.

Non-Locals- 1st 50% of rebate same as for locals.
2nd rebate of 25% will be available first calendar day of the next month. Good for 3 months.
3rd rebate of 25% will be available first calendar day of the 4th month. Good for 8 months.

All participants must redeem first rebate to get the 2nd and 3rd.

Here's where it gets sketchy for non-locals. 2nd and 3rd rebates are redeemable at players desk. THEY ARE NOT AUTO LOADED. Must be claimed in person.

You may also receive a ROOM OFFER. Participants with a room offer MUST book under that offer TO RECEIVE rebate.

To qualify as a local you must have an address within 50 miles of DowntownGrand.

They will also tell you at the desk, all machines except video poker are eligible. The video poker machines throughout are marked clearly not eligible. However, they do not tell you that any machine with a progressive attached is not eligible either. These machines are not marked as ineligible.

Alot of sketchiness with this promotion in my opinion. Definitely worth delving into the details as it could save some heartache later. Fortunately, I got lucky as my wife has been playing all day on like 300 never going over +500. Since I didn't specify except avoid video poker she was hitting the Ghostbusters, Flintstones, Batman, etc. you name it she was hitting it. She earned a decent 6 figure point rewards before I thought to ask about that detail. Could have been disastrous if it went the other way.
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May 17th, 2015 at 9:08:48 PM permalink
Quote: MaxPen

You may also receive a ROOM OFFER. Participants with a room offer MUST book under that offer TO RECEIVE rebate.

all machines except video poker are eligible.



Both unfortunate, but I can use the room offer to build history with a downtown casino. With video poker not eligible, what is the smartest route? Is there any extremely bad VP available... or maybe a low variance slot to claim your rebate? I feel like if you are willing to just hit a button for a few hours, playing 40-50 credits on a penny slot might get you back 80-85% dependably.

Also, what do the high limit slots look like? Is it really all machines? I can answer these next weekend.
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May 18th, 2015 at 12:15:25 AM permalink
Quote: ahiromu

Both unfortunate, but I can use the room offer to build history with a downtown casino. With video poker not eligible, what is the smartest route? Is there any extremely bad VP available... or maybe a low variance slot to claim your rebate? I feel like if you are willing to just hit a button for a few hours, playing 40-50 credits on a penny slot might get you back 80-85% dependably.

Also, what do the high limit slots look like? Is it really all machines? I can answer these next weekend.



I'm not sure what the smartest route is. There are around 8 slots in the high limit area eligible to play along with one line of VP not eligible. The highest denom per pull available is $250 total when all lines are max bet. Haven't had to claim a rebate yet. It is my understanding the free play can be used on video poker but not progressives. Good luck next weekend.
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May 18th, 2015 at 7:41:56 AM permalink
Wow, really? I played this about a week ago and they told me completely different things. Did they finally put the rules down in writing somewhere because they were messing up or something?

I went and lost 1k around 6 PM. I was told I'd have to come back after 24 hours to get the first part of it. The 50/25/25 split was well known to me already and was something the players club people mentioned. Anyway I called the next day and asked if I had to come in after 24 hours but before a certain time and they said yes -- I had to come in before midnight. So I had exactly a 6 hour window to pick up the first 500. Yes, it worked fine on VP.

The players club person looked at my account and said the next 25% would be available from June to August and the rest would be available from September to April -- both auto-loaded on my card. The auto-loading sounds like local, but that time frame sounds like non-local. Guess I'll be giving them a call...
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May 18th, 2015 at 8:02:31 AM permalink
Give you money back because you loose. Great business. Actually just a re-insurance plan for the casino to have you go sell, pawn, borrow and keep playing. Keep up the great work guys!

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May 18th, 2015 at 8:30:00 AM permalink
Regarding the room offer... Are there any stipulations with respect to the type of offer? I'm afraid they would send me an offer to pay for a room and I would have to take it to receive one of my 25% repayments.
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May 18th, 2015 at 12:09:27 PM permalink
I called and the person told me that what I was told before, in person, was wrong. What MaxPen has written is right. The person at the players club even said they didn't really know all the details. They cannot look at your account and tell when/if the freeplay is on your account, either.
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May 18th, 2015 at 12:12:17 PM permalink
These loss rebates are a joke. I haven't heard of one person who had come out significantly ahead while using one. And don't mention Don Johnson. If you believe that's all he was using, I've got many N.Y. bridges for sale!
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May 18th, 2015 at 12:20:15 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

These loss rebates are a joke. I haven't heard of one person who had come out significantly ahead while using one. And don't mention Don Johnson. If you believe that's all he was using, I've got many N.Y. bridges for sale!



I came out ahead. I used the wizard's slot loss rebate page to approach this promotion. I came out above expectation. This promo is worth around a few hundred dollars. Of course no one is going to get rich off this. It's only $1000 rebate
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May 18th, 2015 at 12:50:22 PM permalink
Quote: Ibeatyouraces

These loss rebates are a joke. I haven't heard of one person who had come out significantly ahead while using one. And don't mention Don Johnson. If you believe that's all he was using, I've got many N.Y. bridges for sale!




I like your posts, but you are so far off on this one. From reading on here and learning from some of the best I have made money many times over on rebates. And without this help, I would have never made money. Sometimes it pays to listen and learn. But that attitude keeps casinos offering them, so it's better if most keep that opinion.
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