Deck007
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March 28th, 2015 at 8:21:42 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

With all the AP's on here, just wondering what the general AP makes a year.

Some will make a lot less obviously as their bankroll is growing but for an AP maneuver-only income (that is don't count the ten grand you made while being a hot shooter one Sunday at Craps) what do the average guys on here make?

Has AP'ing made anyone here a millionaire starting with zero to none bankroll?

And we are talking legal only maneuvers (not past-posting or capping or any other move with jail potential.)

No one has to answer that doesn't want to. Just a curiosity question. And perhaps it is forward of me to put the question here but again, no one has to answer.



I don't think anybody claim to make as much money as you did, "yet I found a way to do it and I make tens of thousands of dollars a month"

KewlJ is as close to you as anybody else. He made $92K in one year and lost $120K in 3 years.

Do I have to say anything more.
Wanderer
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March 28th, 2015 at 8:23:23 PM permalink
KewlJ,

Approximately how many hours do you play per year?
zoobrew
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March 28th, 2015 at 8:27:45 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

Thanks, KewlJ for your great response.

I suppose if someone wants to set up a poll, that is fine although I am not sure how the best way to word the choices.



The winner with the most honest answers would be: I claim to be an AP, but have no proof of my actual gambling income as I am also a criminal tax cheat.
darkoz
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March 28th, 2015 at 8:49:54 PM permalink
Quote: Deck007

I don't think anybody claim to make as much money as you did, "yet I found a way to do it and I make tens of thousands of dollars a month"

KewlJ is as close to you as anybody else. He made $92K in one year and lost $120K in 3 years.

Do I have to say anything more.



No, you don't need to say more. You need to read more closely.

He never stated he lost $120K in three years. He stated he earned $120k in three years.
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Deck007
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March 28th, 2015 at 8:54:38 PM permalink
Quote: darkoz

No, you don't need to say more. You need to read more closely.

He never stated he lost $120K in three years. He stated he earned $120k in three years.



Yes I stand corrected. Still it is nowhere close to what you claim you are making.
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March 28th, 2015 at 9:53:56 PM permalink
I can't speak for Darkoz,but KewlJ did state that he makes most of his income from counting. So it's quite possible for other AP's to make more than 92k per year. I'm not putting down Kewlj at all, what he does is very hard and takes tremendous dedication.
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darkoz
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March 28th, 2015 at 10:54:26 PM permalink
Quote: Hunterhill

I can't speak for Darkoz,but KewlJ did state that he makes most of his income from counting. So it's quite possible for other AP's to make more than 92k per year. I'm not putting down Kewlj at all, what he does is very hard and takes tremendous dedication.



Honestly, I second that. I looked into card counting and found it was just way too difficult for me. I understand it, I can do it (as in the mechanics) but when it comes to speed, discreteness, and avoiding distraction, I am completely useless.

Can I count cards in the quiet of my home. Absolutely. Can I do it in a casino with staff looking at me and trying to keep my eyes glued to other peoples hands while not actually appearing like I am glued to other peoples hands and still make the bets I need? Not within my skill set.

So, yeah, I tip the hat to people like KewlJ who can manage that feat. On the other hand, it is good for card counters that most people can't do it (at least professionally). Otherwise, it would really be unavailable in gambling circles.
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kman
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March 29th, 2015 at 1:26:20 AM permalink
I made around 300k last year. It's heavily dependent on how many hours I put in and how lucky I get with scouting, but I think I'll make 200k-500k this year.

I'd say 100k-500k is the range for professional mid to high level APs. I don't consider counting cards to be a real AP play. My threshold for doing something is $200/hour. That figure doesn't take scouting into account. I do everything legal and borderline legal that I can.

I started with ~100k. I would want at least 50k to be able to make a decent living. If you have less than 50k, you'll have to pass up a lot of +EV opportunities for bankroll considerations.
sc15
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March 29th, 2015 at 2:47:10 AM permalink
I make 6 figures, but I have no proof of it since I'm a criminal tax cheat.
Deck007
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March 29th, 2015 at 3:25:13 AM permalink
Quote: kman

I made around 300k last year. It's heavily dependent on how many hours I put in and how lucky I get with scouting, but I think I'll make 200k-500k this year.

I'd say 100k-500k is the range for professional mid to high level APs. I don't consider counting cards to be a real AP play. My threshold for doing something is $200/hour. That figure doesn't take scouting into account. I do everything legal and borderline legal that I can.

I started with ~100k. I would want at least 50k to be able to make a decent living. If you have less than 50k, you'll have to pass up a lot of +EV opportunities for bankroll considerations.



First posting and making a splash.

Right $300K and $200/hour is the right ballpark for me.
Ready to quit my day job now.
Show me how to do it and my first $100K earning would go to you.
Nay, CC is too difficult and too much hard work.
Collecting $25 coupon is also not what I am looking for.

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