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February 22nd, 2015 at 8:05:08 PM permalink
So, if you're playing video lottery terminal VP, does that means that whatever you're dealt is going to be what you're going to get? Since the outcome is pre-determined as soon as you're dealt the first 5 cards, if it was predetermined you were going to get a royal flush, you would have to be dealt the royal flush, right?

Because otherwise, the player could hold all 5 cards and the machine wouldn't have a chance to complete the royal
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February 22nd, 2015 at 8:06:31 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

So, if you're playing video lottery terminal VP, does that means that whatever you're dealt is going to be what you're going to get? Since the outcome is pre-determined as soon as you're dealt the first 5 cards, if it was predetermined you were going to get a royal flush, you would have to be dealt the royal flush, right?

Because otherwise, the player could hold all 5 cards and the machine wouldn't have a chance to complete the royal



Tring says that a magic genie will appear and give you a bonus win if you do that.
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February 22nd, 2015 at 11:30:58 PM permalink
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Tring says that a magic genie will appear and give you a bonus win if you do that.



Is this a serious answer?

Because it sounds so stupid that it sounds like a joke, lol..
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February 22nd, 2015 at 11:51:03 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

Is this a serious answer?

Because it sounds so stupid that it sounds like a joke, lol..



This is how it works on "Class II" "video poker".

Depending on what constitutes a VLT in your jurisdiction, it may work like a Class II VP game, or it may work like a traditional VP game that immediately reports coin in / coin out to the lottery board.
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February 23rd, 2015 at 9:46:25 PM permalink
Quote: sc15

Is this a serious answer? Because it sounds so stupid that it sounds like a joke, lol..



Yup. I've yet to find any real video poker in Washington. See this thread, which includes:

Quote: seattledice

I found a 1 cent VP machine at Angel of the Winds, so my experiment only cost me $1. It's not that I did not believe slyther and miplet, but I just had to see it for myself. At one point I was even up about $1, but I had not observed enough "odd" stuff to be satisfied. (I did play five units so that I would get the bonus payout if I happened to hit the Royal.)

The experiment was to confirm that

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It doesn't matter what you hold or throw away. You get delt quads, throw it all away, you'll get quads again, or some genie will randomly pay you what quads would have, or something simular.



I did crazy stuff (crazy if you are trying to play optimum strategy) like hold three junk cards and throw away pairs and hold nothing when dealt two pairs or three of a kind. I always got paid at least what the original deal would have paid, and sometimes more. The machine I was on had a "joker's wild" feature and at times one, two, or all three of these little joker faces would light up which would increase the payout. This is the "genie" that allowed me to get paid the three of a kind payout when all I had was junk. It happened enough times to convince me that it was not random chance that was making my crappy play look good.

It's kind of annoying. Thank-you Washington State Legislature. I'm sure the machines are programmed so that people will think they are affecting the outcome -- for instance, one would expect a normal person to hold a pair of Jacks and the draw could turn it into the pre-determined three of kind or full house, or the genie equivalent. Most people probably have no idea that they are not playing real VP. They carefully select the cards to hold and feel like they did the right thing when they hit a decent payout. And they can still get addicted.

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February 26th, 2015 at 3:10:52 PM permalink
Quote: Dieter

This is how it works on "Class II" "video poker".

Depending on what constitutes a VLT in your jurisdiction, it may work like a Class II VP game, or it may work like a traditional VP game that immediately reports coin in / coin out to the lottery board.



Yep, totally depends on jurisdiction. Would need to know the state you are talking about sc15.

I always was more amused that I should have been at bringing out genies at Class II machines.
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February 26th, 2015 at 3:32:36 PM permalink
The lottery video poker that Bally produces uses a "Match Card". A card will be displayed on the top of the screen and if it matches a card in your hand you will get a bonus. For example if the machine selects a pay of 4000 coins for a royal and you are dealt Ah Kh Qh Jh Ts. If you hold all five cards you will be paid for the straight and the Match Card will match one of the five cards in your hand paying a bonus of 4000 minus whatever the straight paid.
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February 26th, 2015 at 3:41:51 PM permalink
Do you see the match card right away or is it displayed after the hand is played?

Does it show the bonus before or after the hand is resolved?
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February 26th, 2015 at 3:46:44 PM permalink
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Do you see the match card right away or is it displayed after the hand is played?

Does it show the bonus before or after the hand is resolved?



It is after the draw.
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February 27th, 2015 at 1:15:51 AM permalink
When I played at Muckleshoot in Washington state there was no magical genie, but a "match card" which paid you depending on whether or not the card that was the match card was in your hand. It is obvious now it was a farce but back then I didn't know any better and thought I was randomly winning. I would get paid for a full house even with no winning hand just because of the match card.

You know what was horrible was the machines were "8/5" jacks, when they could have easily put in 9/6 because it was class 2 anyway.
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February 27th, 2015 at 4:04:12 AM permalink
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You know what was horrible was the machines were "8/5" jacks, when they could have easily put in 9/6 because it was class 2 anyway.




I actually think that's a good thing. 9/6 is like 99%+ RTP with good play, 8/5 is something like 97%. While I doubt that the machine was actually 97% RTP, at least people weren't expecting to play forever and barely lose.

It's still false advertising (6/5 BP would have probably been more accurate), but it's a smaller lie. I'll give 'em a little credit for that.
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March 1st, 2015 at 2:53:23 PM permalink
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Yup. I've yet to find any real video poker in Washington.



Many years ago there was a couple of tribal casinos in eastern Washington that refused to sign compacts with the state and had Class III gaming. But I think they are both compacted now.
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March 2nd, 2015 at 1:23:47 AM permalink
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You know what was horrible was the machines were "8/5" jacks, when they could have easily put in 9/6 because it was class 2 anyway.



They should've offered like 12/8 jacks.
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March 2nd, 2015 at 4:27:19 AM permalink
Quote: sc15

They should've offered like 12/8 jacks.

The fist Indian casino I was at was the The lucky eagle in washington, I didn't know about class II. I noticed a $1 denomination VP machine that looked like a fairly positive game off the top. I went to my Dads house and loaded up VPtutor on my , 10 minutes later it came back at over 105% -110%

I knew it had to be gaffed.

I went back later because I was curious, I noticed It even had a special feature on it that paid you if you made "the wrong decision" Example: if you had a 4 flush VS a pair and decided to hold the 4 flush but one of the matching pairs came up you got paid for a 3 of a kind anyways.

I actually did well and it was a fun game.

I always wondered if you could take advantage of it by purposely playing wrong.
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