Maverick17
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January 19th, 2015 at 1:08:22 PM permalink
I had 0 points heading into Friday night at the Horseshoe Casino in Cleveland, Ohio.

I played 7 shoes of BJ in High Limit, $100 min bet, 6 deck shoes.

I played by myself for the first 6 shoes, and had someone join for the 7th.

I would guess I made 50% of the bets at $100, 35% at $200, and the remaining 15% from $300 to $600.

I now have 501 tier credits.

That just seems low to me.
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rdw4potus
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January 19th, 2015 at 1:36:27 PM permalink
$200/hand * 36 hand/shoe * 7 shoes =$50,400 in handle. $50,400 * 0.5% house edge = theoretical loss of $252. 501 tier credits =~$5. $5/$252=2% return on theoretical loss. Yep, that's low. But, some of the value will be hidden in upcoming offers for matchplay and free/reduced rooms.
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Boz
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January 19th, 2015 at 1:38:14 PM permalink
Quote: Maverick17

I had 0 points heading into Friday night at the Horseshoe Casino in Cleveland, Ohio.

I played 7 shoes of BJ in High Limit, $100 min bet, 6 deck shoes.

I played by myself for the first 6 shoes, and had someone join for the 7th.

I would guess I made 50% of the bets at $100, 35% at $200, and the remaining 15% from $300 to $600.

I now have 501 tier credits.

That just seems low to me.



The PB was probably pissed you spread 6/1.
Romes
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January 19th, 2015 at 1:39:22 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

$200/hand * 36 hand/shoe * 7 shoes =$50,400 in handle. $50,400 * 0.5% house edge = theoretical loss of $252. 501 tier credits =~$5. $5/$252=2% return on theoretical loss. Yep, that's low. But, some of the value will be hidden in upcoming offers for matchplay and free/reduced rooms.


That's also taking a .5% HE. Almost every casino goes 1-2% based on the fact that most people don't even fully know basic strategy. The only way they'd lower that to .5 is if they did a skills check and found you to be a basic strategy player.

One thing I will note about that particular shop Mav... While I'm not sure about their high limit rooms, they do tend to horribly rate their players (from my experience). I'd swear their "average bet" is just your min bet.

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The PB was probably pissed you spread 6/1.


lol or this.
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AcesAndEights
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January 19th, 2015 at 2:42:15 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

$200/hand * 36 hand/shoe * 7 shoes =$50,400 in handle. $50,400 * 0.5% house edge = theoretical loss of $252. 501 tier credits =~$5. $5/$252=2% return on theoretical loss. Yep, that's low. But, some of the value will be hidden in upcoming offers for matchplay and free/reduced rooms.


Tier Credits don't have an easily-computed cash value though, do they? I think you're thinking of RCs, not TCs.
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Maverick17
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January 19th, 2015 at 3:07:27 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Tier Credits don't have an easily-computed cash value though, do they? I think you're thinking of RCs, not TCs.



They are worth a penny a tier credit in terms of getting food at the casino before the "bonus" tier credits.

The bonus Tier credits are not credited to your Rewards credits, and I do not believe I earned any bonus credits, unless they have not posted to my TC account yet.


Even if they had me rated at $100 a hand the whole time and each time I won a larger bet the PB was just updating his facebook status on the computer attached to my table rather than my bet, by that math my TL is $126, and a 4% return on Theoretical loss.


I do agree that the pit bosses here are cheap, or instructed to be cheap. There is one young kid who my friend has gotten to know over the past year or two and he (the pb) implies that he (the pb) "helps him (my buddy) out" when it comes to recording play, but who knows.
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rdw4potus
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January 19th, 2015 at 3:10:11 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Tier Credits don't have an easily-computed cash value though, do they? I think you're thinking of RCs, not TCs.



Other than during promos, they're usually accrued at a 1:1 ratio (1tc=1rc). Definitely, the RC total is not less than the TC total.
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AcesAndEights
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January 19th, 2015 at 3:18:03 PM permalink
Quote: rdw4potus

Other than during promos, they're usually accrued at a 1:1 ratio (1tc=1rc). Definitely, the RC total is not less than the TC total.


Ah, that's the piece of information I didn't technically know...I've never paid too much attention to my tier credits as I've only leveled up to Platinum once anyway :p
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AcesAndEights
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January 19th, 2015 at 3:18:51 PM permalink
Quote: Maverick17

They are worth a penny a tier credit in terms of getting food at the casino before the "bonus" tier credits.

The bonus Tier credits are not credited to your Rewards credits, and I do not believe I earned any bonus credits, unless they have not posted to my TC account yet.


Even if they had me rated at $100 a hand the whole time and each time I won a larger bet the PB was just updating his facebook status on the computer attached to my table rather than my bet, by that math my TL is $126, and a 4% return on Theoretical loss.


I do agree that the pit bosses here are cheap, or instructed to be cheap. There is one young kid who my friend has gotten to know over the past year or two and he (the pb) implies that he (the pb) "helps him (my buddy) out" when it comes to recording play, but who knows.


It sucks but I'm not surprised. I don't remember the thread(s), but I think several people have estimated the percentage of Theo that comes back to you as RCs/TCs and it's in the 5% range. It's pitiful, but that's the current state of things.
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January 19th, 2015 at 3:26:50 PM permalink
I was at Cleveland this Saturday and passed thru $5,000 and got 1,000 TC, which will equal 3,000 TC after all the bonuses, and 1,000 RC. I was also able to use $195 in FSP and use 2 free buffets. Ah the power of the penny slot machine:)
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