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December 26th, 2014 at 6:51:59 PM permalink
That lump sum alimony payout sure backfired for her…

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She returned to Court asking for more money from husband and was denied
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December 26th, 2014 at 7:19:27 PM permalink
Once again, only the lawyers win. No
wonder all lawyers are so wealthy..
"It's not called gambling if the math is on your side."
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December 26th, 2014 at 7:30:35 PM permalink
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Once again, only the lawyers win. No
wonder all lawyers are so wealthy..




If only I resembled that remark
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December 26th, 2014 at 7:32:24 PM permalink
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That lump sum alimony payout sure backfired for her…

Singapore Times


She returned to Court asking for more money from husband and was denied



Now you are coming into my home territory.

Imagine if US legal practice apply here you would have got 30% of the settlement amount ( about $60,000) already plus all expanses.

With that money you can go back to Foxwoods and get your revenge on them.
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December 26th, 2014 at 7:33:30 PM permalink
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Quote: aceofspades

That lump sum alimony payout sure backfired for her…

Singapore Times


She returned to Court asking for more money from husband and was denied



Now you are coming into my home territory.

Imagine if US legal practice apply here you would have got 30% of the settlement amount ( about $60,000) already plus all expanses.

With that money you can go back to Foxwoods and get your revenge on them.




I believe contingency fees on divorce cases are illegal in all 50 states
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December 26th, 2014 at 7:36:43 PM permalink
I am glad Singapore actually seems reasonable in this regard. In America this would be the mans fault for not adequately supporting his ex-wife. And anyone who opposed him forever subsidizing her reckless spending would be a "sexist woman hater"...

Maybe now she will have to get a job and learn how to be responsible.

Certain parts of the world (particularly parts of Asia and the Middle East) seem to be more fair for men, in that husbands are not required to subsidize their ex-wives for eternity because they don't want to start working and yet are still legally entitled to their previous lifestyle they gained from marriage...
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December 26th, 2014 at 7:38:43 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

Quote: Deck007

Quote: aceofspades

That lump sum alimony payout sure backfired for her…

Singapore Times


She returned to Court asking for more money from husband and was denied



Now you are coming into my home territory.

Imagine if US legal practice apply here you would have got 30% of the settlement amount ( about $60,000) already plus all expanses.

With that money you can go back to Foxwoods and get your revenge on them.




I believe contingency fees on divorce cases are illegal in all 50 states



So tell us frankly how much would you make on such a case in the US
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December 26th, 2014 at 7:56:37 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

That lump sum alimony payout sure backfired for her…

Singapore Times


She returned to Court asking for more money from husband and was denied



Madam Nora is lucky. Casinos usually take more than just alimony. I personally know...

1) A few AC casinos won all the widow's $1,000,000 life insurance proceed, mind and soul. She was treated like a queen in casinos until she lost all her money. Now nobody wants to know her now, and she still walks among casinos like a zombie.

2) Another AC casino won $200,000 from a lady gambler within one night. She was so depressed...she jumped off the Brigantine Bridge.

3) A casino by the Marina won all the savings from a lady casino worker...she jumped to her death from the parking garage of the Jumper-Capital-Of-the-World.

So...Madam Nora is indeed lucky versus the aforementioned ladies.
I'm OK with Corps which pick and choose clienteles. Both insurance companies and casinos have the right to pick and choose customers. They may keep profitable ones and kicked out the rest. But, I'm not OK with a casino supervisor who says counting cards... is like stealing food from a buffet (a foodlifting offense), or video-taping a movie in a cinema (a piracy offense).
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December 26th, 2014 at 7:58:10 PM permalink
Quote: Deck007

Quote: aceofspades

Quote: Deck007

Quote: aceofspades

That lump sum alimony payout sure backfired for her…

Singapore Times


She returned to Court asking for more money from husband and was denied



Now you are coming into my home territory.

Imagine if US legal practice apply here you would have got 30% of the settlement amount ( about $60,000) already plus all expanses.

With that money you can go back to Foxwoods and get your revenge on them.




I believe contingency fees on divorce cases are illegal in all 50 states



So tell us frankly how much would you make on such a case in the US





I wouldn't bring such a case — trying to prove you were under the influence of drugs at the time you made a settlement is not something anyone can actually do circumstantially — you would need some sort of drug test showing you were under the influence on the day you made the agreement. Re-opening a settlement agreement is one of the hardest things to do in a post-judgment of divorce matter — not going to happen.

Are you asking how much I would charge or how much I would actually make - two different things, neither of which I will share.
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December 26th, 2014 at 8:26:09 PM permalink

I wouldn't bring such a case — trying to prove you were under the influence of drugs at the time you made a settlement is not something anyone can actually do circumstantially — you would need some sort of drug test showing you were under the influence on the day you made the agreement. Re-opening a settlement agreement is one of the hardest things to do in a post-judgment of divorce matter — not going to happen.

Are you asking how much I would charge or how much I would actually make - two different things, neither of which I will share.


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Yes I can see appeal case here is futile.

Just wonder how the appeal lawyer is getting paid. Let alone the court filing fees and who is bearing the court hearing cost.

Yes you would not tell us what you will make on such a case.
But you will be salivating if this was in the US to enable you to blow thousands away in Foxwoods and other casinos.
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December 26th, 2014 at 8:39:17 PM permalink
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I wouldn't bring such a case — trying to prove you were under the influence of drugs at the time you made a settlement is not something anyone can actually do circumstantially — you would need some sort of drug test showing you were under the influence on the day you made the agreement. Re-opening a settlement agreement is one of the hardest things to do in a post-judgment of divorce matter — not going to happen.

Are you asking how much I would charge or how much I would actually make - two different things, neither of which I will share.
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Yes I can see appeal case here is futile.

Just wonder how the appeal lawyer is getting paid. Let alone the court filing fees and who is bearing the court hearing cost.

Yes you would not tell us what you will make on such a case.
But you will be salivating if this was in the US to enable you to blow thousands away in Foxwoods and other casinos.



I just told you I wouldn't bring such a case

Do you have something personal against me? Why are you so fixated on Foxwoods?
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December 26th, 2014 at 8:39:44 PM permalink
This part of the article struck me as curious and I cannot reconcile it with the reported outcome:

"She argued that her former husband had agreed at the time to give her A$200,000 with a balance of A$350,000 once his "business picked up". She claimed that under the consent order, Mr Goetti promised to provide for her for the rest of her life and give her money whenever she needed."

She refers to the "consent order," which was presumably the notarized separation agreement that became part of the final court order, and which a court presumably should enforce, containing a provision that "Mr Goetti promised to provide for her for the rest of her life and give her money whenever she needed."

WTF?
"What, me worry?"
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December 26th, 2014 at 8:42:17 PM permalink
Quote: MrV

This part of the article struck me as curious and I cannot reconcile it with the reported outcome:

"She argued that her former husband had agreed at the time to give her A$200,000 with a balance of A$350,000 once his "business picked up". She claimed that under the consent order, Mr Goetti promised to provide for her for the rest of her life and give her money whenever she needed."

She refers to the "consent order," which was presumably the notarized separation agreement that became part of the final court order, and which a court presumably should enforce, containing a provision that "Mr Goetti promised to provide for her for the rest of her life and give her money whenever she needed."

WTF?



I believe they would have deemed it unenforceable as vague and/or ambiguous
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December 26th, 2014 at 8:48:04 PM permalink
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I believe they would have seemed it unenforceable as vague and /or ambiguous



The reference to $350K is quite clear.

Odd that the article did not refer to the judge's ruling on the quoted provision, seemingly her strongest argument.
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December 26th, 2014 at 8:51:39 PM permalink
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Quote: Aceofspades

I wouldn't bring such a case — trying to prove you were under the influence of drugs at the time you made a settlement is not something anyone can actually do circumstantially — you would need some sort of drug test showing you were under the influence on the day you made the agreement. Re-opening a settlement agreement is one of the hardest things to do in a post-judgment of divorce matter — not going to happen.

Are you asking how much I would charge or how much I would actually make - two different things, neither of which I will share.
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Yes I can see appeal case here is futile.

Just wonder how the appeal lawyer is getting paid. Let alone the court filing fees and who is bearing the court hearing cost.

Yes you would not tell us what you will make on such a case.
But you will be salivating if this was in the US to enable you to blow thousands away in Foxwoods and other casinos.



I just told you I wouldn't bring such a case

Do you have something personal against me? Why are you so fixated on Foxwoods?



What do you mean. You wont take the original case.

The woman got $200,000 and your take from this would be many thousands.

Now I don't know what you are talking about.
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December 26th, 2014 at 9:01:40 PM permalink
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Quote: aceofspades

Quote: Aceofspades

I wouldn't bring such a case — trying to prove you were under the influence of drugs at the time you made a settlement is not something anyone can actually do circumstantially — you would need some sort of drug test showing you were under the influence on the day you made the agreement. Re-opening a settlement agreement is one of the hardest things to do in a post-judgment of divorce matter — not going to happen.

Are you asking how much I would charge or how much I would actually make - two different things, neither of which I will share.
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Yes I can see appeal case here is futile.

Just wonder how the appeal lawyer is getting paid. Let alone the court filing fees and who is bearing the court hearing cost.

Yes you would not tell us what you will make on such a case.
But you will be salivating if this was in the US to enable you to blow thousands away in Foxwoods and other casinos.



I just told you I wouldn't bring such a case

Do you have something personal against me? Why are you so fixated on Foxwoods?



What do you mean. You wont take the original case.

The woman got $200,000 and your take from this would be many thousands.

Now I don't know what you are talking about.



As previously stated - contingency fees are prohibited by law in divorce and family law cases. My "take" would have been based upon hours worked, not the amounts being fought over
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December 26th, 2014 at 9:06:36 PM permalink
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Quote: aceofspades

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I wouldn't bring such a case — trying to prove you were under the influence of drugs at the time you made a settlement is not something anyone can actually do circumstantially — you would need some sort of drug test showing you were under the influence on the day you made the agreement. Re-opening a settlement agreement is one of the hardest things to do in a post-judgment of divorce matter — not going to happen.

Are you asking how much I would charge or how much I would actually make - two different things, neither of which I will share.
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Quote: Dexk007


Yes I can see appeal case here is futile.

Just wonder how the appeal lawyer is getting paid. Let alone the court filing fees and who is bearing the court hearing cost.

Yes you would not tell us what you will make on such a case.
But you will be salivating if this was in the US to enable you to blow thousands away in Foxwoods and other casinos.



I just told you I wouldn't bring such a case

Do you have something personal against me? Why are you so fixated on Foxwoods?



What do you mean. You wont take the original case.

The woman got $200,000 and your take from this would be many thousands.

Now I don't know what you are talking about.



As previously stated - contingency fees are prohibited by law in divorce and family law cases. My "take" would have been based upon hours worked, not the amounts being fought over



Now this would contradict your previous statement.

"I just told you I wouldn't bring such a case"
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December 26th, 2014 at 9:14:30 PM permalink
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Quote: aceofspades

Quote: Deck007

Quote: aceofspades

Quote: Aceofspades

I wouldn't bring such a case — trying to prove you were under the influence of drugs at the time you made a settlement is not something anyone can actually do circumstantially — you would need some sort of drug test showing you were under the influence on the day you made the agreement. Re-opening a settlement agreement is one of the hardest things to do in a post-judgment of divorce matter — not going to happen.

Are you asking how much I would charge or how much I would actually make - two different things, neither of which I will share.
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Quote: Dexk007


Yes I can see appeal case here is futile.

Just wonder how the appeal lawyer is getting paid. Let alone the court filing fees and who is bearing the court hearing cost.

Yes you would not tell us what you will make on such a case.
But you will be salivating if this was in the US to enable you to blow thousands away in Foxwoods and other casinos.



I just told you I wouldn't bring such a case

Do you have something personal against me? Why are you so fixated on Foxwoods?



What do you mean. You wont take the original case.

The woman got $200,000 and your take from this would be many thousands.

Now I don't know what you are talking about.



As previously stated - contingency fees are prohibited by law in divorce and family law cases. My "take" would have been based upon hours worked, not the amounts being fought over



Now this would contradict your previous statement.

"I just told you I wouldn't bring such a case"



Why do you care so much? "Would have" is a hypothetical context where one postulates what they may have done in a similar circumstance but it doesn't imply they actually were in such circumstance or ever plan to be. Seems like you're just badgering someone for the hell of it.
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December 26th, 2014 at 9:21:00 PM permalink
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Quote: Deck007

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Quote: Aceofspades

I wouldn't bring such a case — trying to prove you were under the influence of drugs at the time you made a settlement is not something anyone can actually do circumstantially — you would need some sort of drug test showing you were under the influence on the day you made the agreement. Re-opening a settlement agreement is one of the hardest things to do in a post-judgment of divorce matter — not going to happen.

Are you asking how much I would charge or how much I would actually make - two different things, neither of which I will share.
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Quote: Dexk007


Yes I can see appeal case here is futile.

Just wonder how the appeal lawyer is getting paid. Let alone the court filing fees and who is bearing the court hearing cost.

Yes you would not tell us what you will make on such a case.
But you will be salivating if this was in the US to enable you to blow thousands away in Foxwoods and other casinos.



I just told you I wouldn't bring such a case

Do you have something personal against me? Why are you so fixated on Foxwoods?



What do you mean. You wont take the original case.

The woman got $200,000 and your take from this would be many thousands.

Now I don't know what you are talking about.



As previously stated - contingency fees are prohibited by law in divorce and family law cases. My "take" would have been based upon hours worked, not the amounts being fought over



Now this would contradict your previous statement.

"I just told you I wouldn't bring such a case"



Not a contradiction at all - I would not take the case BUT to answer your hypothetical I stated my take could not, by law, be based upon a contingency and would therefore be by the hour

Your posts here make about as much sense as your previous poll
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December 26th, 2014 at 9:31:35 PM permalink
So for my understanding "You would take up the case" if it is based on your charges per hour.

O.K. I see what you are saying now.

Please no "Poll". We are not in a war.

I would still call you "Pal". You can call me whatever you like.
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December 26th, 2014 at 9:49:33 PM permalink
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So for my understanding "You would take up the case" if it is based on your charges per hour.

O.K. I see what you are saying now.

Please no "Poll". We are not in a war.

I would still call you "Pal". You can call me whatever you like.



:-) ok Pal
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December 26th, 2014 at 10:38:43 PM permalink
Irrespective of any "take care of me for the rest of my life" (enough to eat, enough to live in style, enough to gamble with?) many societies have principles against waste of assets and would impose on the wife a duty to invest rather than a luxury of gambling.

One California Hubby agreed to pay alimony until his exwife's income from the divorce settlement reached X percent, exwife immediately invested the settlement in a house and in growth stocks that do not pay dividends.... and Court said to Damn Fool Husband, when Damn Fool Husband has Damn Fool Attorney, Dame Fool Husband pays and pays and pays.
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