Vegas Rover Deals Card

Quote: AxelWolf

Perhaps it's because so many want to see them fail and some go to great lengths to help make that happen.

The Gold Card offers are well worth the cost already.

Let's support business like this if its good for gamblers and vacationers.

They made a generous offer, lets see how it pans out before we get to negative.

So Vegasrover say they have great deals coming on the 2nd and when I question the validity of the statement im going to great lengths to see them fail?
Do you not find it strange that they would make such a statement and then not post anything and remain silent?

Quote: Baza

So Vegasrover say they have great deals coming on the 2nd and when I question the validity of the statement im going to great lengths to see them fail?
Do you not find it strange that they would make such a statement and then not post anything and remain silent?

I didn't say YOU. Why do you think I targeted you? (guilty conscious?)

S%!T happens.

Anyone reasonably smart should realize that they can't control or promise anything from a third party. They can estimate and project upcoming possibilities.

Major companies project great earnings and things to come, yet they let customers and investors down all the time. I have had that many times.

IE Walmart has a clear price matching policy, however my local WM doesn't honor the policies. They made promises they didn't keep and its costing customers 10s of thousands. Ill give you a 1800 number if you're interested in a real issue of broken promises.

I'm not pro VR, I have criticized people making up fake positive reviews.

I can tell you this.... a few people I know have used various VR offers and have been satisfied with everything so far.

VR may go out of business tomorrow, who knows? But for now everything seems to be worth the investment.

Even if they closed up shop tomorrow I wouldn't acknowledge I told you so without proof of serious damages.

Let me ask you this.....If people get what they bargained for in the first place... who cares what extra offers come, thats just icing on the cake.

Quote: AxelWolf

Let me ask you this.....If people get what they barh

OMG he was attacked while writing this! good thing he hit the send key so we can call 911! LOL

The gold cArd works I submitted my offer - well over 500. And food and a room- I was contacted by tropicana and given a suite and the food and the freeplay- a host contacted me after this was done to see if anything else was needed- I arrived and everything was as agreed/ I have zero issues with vr- as they did everything they said and the offer was worth more then the sirfare and expenses combined for the trip

Quote: odiousgambit

OMG he was attacked while writing this! good thing he hit the send key so we can call 911! LOL

Don't know what happen there, I assume I fell asleep, I have no idea how I hit send.

Put it this way. Offer is good but the people behind it are ..... AH !!!!!!

Quote: speedycrap

Put it this way. Offer is good but the people behind it are ..... AH !!!!!!

I kind of equate it with doing business with CET.
Yea I dont like CET.
Regardless, ate for free a few weeks ago at the Paris buffet and Caesars Bachanal buffet.
If the evil empire is gonna give me a good deal, I accept.
If Vegasrover is gonna give me a good deal, I accept

Brad delivered codes as promised, actually he over delivered. I asked him a few blatantly tough questions about various rumors and his business that were NOMB, but he was straight up without hesitation.

I'm pulling for VR. We need more discounts/deals or anything that help Vegas, gamblers and vacationers.

Quote: AxelWolf

but he was straight up without hesitation.

And how would you, as a person meeting him for the first time,
and as a person who had never heard of VR prior to a month ago,
know how "straight up" or truthful he was being?

Just saying.......

Quote: Blonde4ever

And how would you, as a person meeting him for the first time,
and as a person who had never heard of VR prior to a month ago,
know how "straight up" or truthful he was being?

Just saying.......

First off you don't know what I asked him or what his answers were.... Just saying. Perhaps you're taking it/me to literally. He looked me in the face and answered. he didn't hem and haw or try to change the subject. I never specifically used the word truthful. I'm not in cahoots with VR nor did brad try to charm or fluff me.

You can scrutinize his past all you want, most people have a past and have done things they shouldn't have.

For now... everything seems to be working fine, the gold card is well worth the cost as it stands and nothing nefarious has happened, that's all I care about, just like any other retail transaction. I don't avoid Walmart because of corporate greed and Microsoft because of anti trust issues.

If they lose or gain more offers well that's normal all the others have lost many offers that were not honored (Including MyVegas) I wasn't offered a free subscription or money back from them.

I will recommend it to friends and family for now.

Ill be the first to complain if I notice something bad.

Axel you don't think it is possible that Brad went out of his way to please you, strictly AP and a few other 'key' members, knowing that he would receive good reviews from you trusted members and that would lead to more business? Much like a restaurant rolls out the red carpet when the food critic is coming.

I am not taking sides on this issue. I have made up my mind. I am not interested at least at this time. I reserve the right to become interested later. But I am just saying, you don't think it's possible he schmoozed you key guys for favorable reviews and that the treatment you guys received, might now be 'typical'?

I sat next to Brad at the gathering and I thought he was a gentleman and was offering a free service to the members here. Did he treat our members different than he does others? I am sure he did. I don't think he offers these cards for free to the public. He is definitely trying to promote his product and I am sure he wants our members to give positive reviews. This is his business, why wouldn't he do that?

On another note, my wife worked for Anthony Curtis for eight years at the Las Vegas Advisor and Huntington Press. The coupon and promotion business in Las Vegas is very difficult and very competitive. I am just happy that players will have more opportunities with multiple businesses offering coupons.

I was near him and a few of his crew at the recent meet up and found him perfectly pleasant to talk to. Sure, the public face can be dramatically different from the one behind closed doors, but I also went in without preconceptions; I only started reading this thread about three pages back, so I missed most of the brouhaha.

Yes, it was obvious he was pushing a product, but I don't find anything inherently wrong with that. He was giving them out (well, hopefully for word of mouth, certainly, but no obligation) and there's some degree of value. Business is business, and I'm more interested in how the use/value of the card works out than anything, ultimately.

Disclaimer: I took him up on an offer of a card, though I have yet to receive or use it. (1/13/2015)

I spent about 4 hours with Brad all told. If he's a jerk, he hid it well. I think he's trying to promote a business that has some genuine value, and I wish him well at it. The two main people on here attacking him, OTOH.... (since you're fond of ellipses, Baza....). lol.

Quote: Face

It appears all mods are engaged now and have tried to sort of steer this train onto productive tracks. I've just a bit of my own to add before I slink back into the darkness.

Quote: ohiovegasguy

The admins are welcome to check my IP address. I have one and only one account on this forum. It will be located in NW Ohio where I reside.

We do check IP's here, and that is the topic of my query. As it turns out, there is a match with one "calijeff". A search into this account found one thread, made in September of this year. The one post is quoted below.




Quote: calijeff

There is a great deal on the Vegas Rover Deals Card. Just bought a Basic membership for $25

Here is the list hope I didn't miss any deals

30% Off Rooms the D Las Vegas
$35/$75 Rooms and No resort fee Tuscany Suites
15% Off Rooms Tropicana Las Vegas
$25 Table Match Play the D Las Vegas
$25 Table Match Play Golden Gate Las Vegas
$40 Table Match Play Tuscany Suites ($10 Quarterly)
$40 Free Slot Play (Play $25 Receive $10 Quarterly)
$10 Table Match Play Tropicana Las Vegas
$25 Push on 22 Blackjack the D Las Vegas
$25 Free Play (Earn 200 points) Golden Gate Las Vegas
$5 Free Slot Play for every 50 points $100 Max) the D Las Vegas
2-1 Entree Cantina & Marilyn's Cafe Tuscany Suites
20% Off Cortez Room Steakhouse Gold Coast Las Vegas
Frankie Scinta $18.18 Tickets the D Las Vegas
Laughternoon Buy 1 Get 1 the D Las Vegas
Marriage Can Be Murder $10 Off the D Las Vegas
2-1 Drinks Trop Lounge Tropicana Las Vegas
Discounted Monorail Tickets

www.vegasrover.com

Same "vegasrover" web link. Same IP. And nearly all of the deals provided in this quoted post match the deals provided by ohiovegasguy at the start of this thread.

As this thread seems to be largely a battle to establish integrity, I'd ask ohiovegasguy to answer to this curiosity.

Have we had this answered yet?

Quote: kewlj

Axel you don't think it is possible that Brad went out of his way to please you

Not far enough out of his way, he didn't offer me any hush money.

He didn't seem fake. As I said.... I asked him a few questions that I had no business really asking, yet he didn't get defensive or anything.

AAMOF. Brad didn't go out of his way to accommodate me, before the meet I asked that he fast track an offer for a friend(s) however he was hesitant and asked that they either show up to the meet or he would be willing to send them a code and go thought the normal process.

To be fair, I was unwilling to give him my personal information. (not just him, that goes for most people, other than friends and partners)

Some People I referred took the same stance about anonymity, so I can see his hesitation. For all he knows.... I could've been pulling a fast one on him. He felt more comfortable once he seen we were all in fact real people.

FYI. so far I got verification from 3 people I know.... who said Codes worked easily. Unless he remembers individuals names he can't match the codes to everybody since he seemed to give out random codes from a stack in no particular order.

I can only hope everything works by the time everybody has a chance to use them. I'm waiting for an opportune time.

I'm going to run around playing match plays or whatever(dont even remember everything they offer). If i'm in a particular casino already, I might use them.

$25 Push on 22 Blackjack the D Las Vegas.

I'm curious how many will use this offer

Obviously some people don't play green. is that offer enough to get YOU a non green player to play for it?

Quote: AxelWolf

$25 Push on 22 Blackjack the D Las Vegas.

That offer actually kind of confused me-- does it mean if you get a 22 when playing a 25$ hand, you can choose to redeem the offer and have it push?

Edit: Okay, in the span of time it took for me to grab another plate at the buffet, I got a PM'd response from the man himself. Fast service response is always a plus!

(Oh, and the actual response-- push a bust on 22 with a hand UP TO 25$, so smaller values are fine.)

Quote: AxelWolf

$25 Push on 22 Blackjack the D Las Vegas.

I'm curious how many will use this offer

Obviously some people don't play green. is that offer enough to get YOU a non green player to play for it?

I would of but the terms are you have to buy in for 100 and play it all out before you can color up and walk away. The table match ones seems straight up though so don't mind trying those out.

When I get the card in mail, I'll post about how things worked out and how familiar the casino staffs are with accepting the card.

Not sure why anyway thinks he treated me different I spoke the marketing director at the trop who confirmed this and it worked as promised I doubt he could call a casino and say he look please help this one player so I can sell more cards- it's a deal they already have set up with the trop anyone can call there and confirm it

Why do I love WoV forums, and the discussions that take place here?

This thread is a classic example of the brain power that exists on this site.

Through all the mudslinging, and puppet posters, the members kept the thread on track. All of the crap was just noise, while the real crux of the matter was kept in the focus. Personally, I'm not sure exactly how the 2 major detractors missed being suspended for their blatant trolling, but in the end, all it really did was show they have an agenda to carry out personal attacks. They don't really care what happens to WoV members, they just want to see Brad and John fail. That blatant agenda has done more harm to their cause than good. On other boards, they would have probably won out with their flood, but not here.

The one sticking point for me was blonde4ever. Her post was very credible, and it does seem like this business had some dubious beginnings. Personally, I find it sort of amazing that they have made it this far, if everything that was written is accurate. Even if only 50% was accurate. Not exactly a "Launching a Business 101" case study, but you can't argue with results.

Going forward, I am hoping the mods are much quicker on the trigger for enforcing the decorum that this forum is used to, and the trolls get the execution they deserve, unless of course they are bringing in new information.

Hopefully, Brad and John also got the message that more professional responses are expected from business owners. While I understand their frustration with this, they have to realize fighting with/like 3rd graders doesn't help you, even if you manage to win.

Quote: RaleighCraps

That blatant agenda has done more harm to their cause than good..

You're 100% correct on that, had they not started a ruckus it wouldn't have encouraged Brad to make that offer. It wouldn't have caught peoples attention, and it probably would have just faded away . All's it did was encourage people to find out for themselves if everything works as suggested.

Now I assume there will be constant updates. More buyers including guys who want to do stuff like mission did.

Agree 100000 percent. Ended up very beneficial for me

Quote: Perdition

I would of but the terms are you have to buy in for 100 and play it all out before you can color up and walk away. The table match ones seems straight up though so don't mind trying those out.

Just curious.. can you or someone clarify this a bit. Are you saying you have to buy in for $100 and play through the $100 once, which would be 4 or more hands @ $25 before you can cash out? That is not much of a stipulation. Very little penalty there are far as EV.

I played this same coupon from ACG last year several times. There was no such stipulation. But I wouldn't be the least bit turned off by this stipulation. It will mostly take 4 or more hands to bust with a 22. When you do, it's a full $25 value as far as EV, as opposed to matchplays or promo chips which are in the neighborhood of 50% face value.

Quote: RaleighCraps

Why do I love WoV forums, and the discussions that take place here?

Because they are amazing =) Or as the kids say "Because reasons".

Quote: RaleighCraps

Going forward, I am hoping the mods are much quicker on the trigger for enforcing the decorum that this forum is used to, and the trolls get the execution they deserve, unless of course they are bringing in new information.

What would you do differently, if you could?

I ask genuinely, as this one did cause some questioning.

Me? I saw it and did nothing. When I was asked, I voted to do nothing. I felt my reasoning was justified.

Both ohiovegasguy and his detractors were new posters. Nothing could be discerned from their histories, as they had none.

OVG seemed well spoken and forthright, the hallmarks of an intelligent poster. Also the mark of a good con-man (no offense, OVG). His detractors were often brash and judgemental, the hallmarks of a troll. Also the mark of someone livid at having been ripped off.

If the latter examples were true, then the circus was justified and, I'd argue, necessary for the protection of the forum. Since, based on the above, I could not rule out that possibility, I could not vote to end it.

Instead, I relied on the...

Quote: RaleighCraps

members (to keep) the thread on track

and exercise patience, believing the madness would end definitively and productively. As it has led to members meeting OVG, a lot more of his history being posted, and now what appears to be an actual receipt and use of his product, I feel as though going "the messy way" was the right choice.

Agree or disagree? What would you have done different?

Edit: As this is a public post, I trust everyone knows my use of "you" is generic, and advice is welcome from all.

Face,
Since you asked.... ;-)

heretobustfraud's initial posts were 'interesting'. They were also very attacking, but since this was essentially all new players, I agree that letting it play out best served WoV members and readers. But after the first 3 pages of mud had been slung, I don't recall seeing much new information in any of heretobustfraud, and later, baza's posts.

Even after Mission's first warning, more posts were made, toned down a bit, but still with no new information. Just repeated spin of prior accusations. Also, since the mods were ignoring the obvious trolling nature of those posts, I thought there would have been a warning thrown out to VRJohn for his personal insult, as opposed to the suspension.
In the end, John may have actually been done a favor, as it kept him from looking any worse for continuing to respond to the trolling.

What would I have done if I was a mod?

Very early on, it was apparent this was a relationship/fight that was ongoing from other places. But it was important for WoV members to be able to hear both sides, so we could form our own opinions of the value/risk of the offer. But we could have done that with 20 less pages of pointless accusations.
So I would have stepped into the fray much earlier with a public post to all parties to read the forum rules before another post was submitted. The trolls would have been warned to present their information in a factual way, and the same for the VR folks. I probably would have sent PMs to each player basically telling them we want to hear what you have to say, but stop acting like jackwads. I would not have suspended anyone initially because it was really important that all sides be heard, so an informed decision could be made. This is pretty close to what happened, just ran a bit longer than needed.

All in all, I think it was handled pretty well. But if it were me, heretobustfraud and baza need to come up with some new points on their next posts, or I don't see how trolling would not come into play. I am not pro VR, because blonde4ever is also not happy with VR, but her posts contained information that appeared more fact based, thus I would not hesitate to read anything more she has to say about this. Her post also did not appear to be as personal attacking as the others.

Quote: kewlj

Just curious.. can you or someone clarify this a bit. Are you saying you have to buy in for $100 and play through the $100 once, which would be 4 or more hands @ $25 before you can cash out? That is not much of a stipulation. Very little penalty there are far as EV.

I played this same coupon from ACG last year several times. There was no such stipulation. But I wouldn't be the least bit turned off by this stipulation. It will mostly take 4 or more hands to bust with a 22. When you do, it's a full $25 value as far as EV, as opposed to matchplays or promo chips which are in the neighborhood of 50% face value.

Yes, you just have to play it through once. If the dealer knew/cared that you were supposed to redeem the ACG coupon at the players club desk rather than just play the coupon (not supposed to be able to play it more than once per year you sly fox) I believe the coupon you get from the players club does in fact have that stipulation.

Quote: RaleighCraps

Face,
Since you asked.... ;-)

I did. Thank you.

So it seems we just needed a little more interference (reminders to back up claims, stop spamming same thought, etc) and to have done so earlier. A reasonable request.

Also, I'll remind anyone familiar with the rules to send a PM if a post is questionable. Some threads, even those 30 pages long, can go unread by the Green. And, I suppose, while I'll often read public complaints, only some cause me to respond. This one of Raleigh's, for example. But often if a claim is made and I judge it to be allowable, I've not much to say about it and will make that decision without comment. I suppose that could cause some wonder as to if anything's actually being done.

Perhaps it is nothing more than a bit of communication failure. Either way, an easy fix.

Thanks =)

Quote: kewlj

Just curious.. can you or someone clarify this a bit. Are you saying you have to buy in for $100 and play through the $100 once, which would be 4 or more hands @ $25 before you can cash out? That is not much of a stipulation. Very little penalty there are far as EV.

I played this same coupon from ACG last year several times. There was no such stipulation. But I wouldn't be the least bit turned off by this stipulation. It will mostly take 4 or more hands to bust with a 22. When you do, it's a full $25 value as far as EV, as opposed to matchplays or promo chips which are in the neighborhood of 50% face value.

Here are the terms from the rover site.


This offer is for one time use.
Must show valid & current Vegas Rover Membership Card at the D players club to get voucher for offer.
Offer valid for new and existing Club D members.
Offer valid for blackjack only (not valid on Blackjack Switch or Spanish 21).
Bonus is not paid on double downs or pair splits.
Maximum bonus payout not to exceed $25.
A minimum buy-in of $100 is required.
Limit one offer per Vegas Rover member.
Management Reserves All Rights!
Must be 21 years of age or older with Valid Government Issued Photo ID.
No cash value.
See players club for complete details.


Rereading this it does seem you can just buy in for 100, play 1 hand and color up. Also seems like you can buy in and play as many hands as you want but never know what audibles the pit could call. Guess maybe I will do the 100 buy in and try to see if I am allowed to leave after 1 hand.

Quote: mcallister3200

Yes, you just have to play it through once. If the dealer knew/cared that you were supposed to redeem the ACG coupon at the players club desk rather than just play the coupon (not supposed to be able to play it more than once per year you sly fox) I believe the coupon you get from the players club does in fact have that stipulation.

I did redeem ACG coupons at the players club and am a ware of the once per year stipulation. (This is where multiple accounts/player cards comes in handy). :)

I just don't remember any sort of play through requirement. The first set of ACG, 22 push coupons that my partner and I redeemed where very early in the year last year and the pit seemed very unsure of the whole deal. I almost had to tell them how it worked or how I wanted it to work. :)

I received my card from brad as promised but have yet to use it. Will report back when I do.

Quote: RaleighCraps

The one sticking point for me was blonde4ever. Her post was very credible, and it does seem like this business had some dubious beginnings. Personally, I find it sort of amazing that they have made it this far, if everything that was written is accurate. Even if only 50% was accurate. Not exactly a "Launching a Business 101" case study, but you can't argue with results.

Going forward, I am hoping the mods are much quicker on the trigger for enforcing the decorum that this forum is used to, and the trolls get the execution they deserve, unless of course they are bringing in new information.

.

Thank you for that. :)

If the Mods had been quicker on enforcing the rules, and the trolls got the executions they deserved, OhioVegasGuy (BB) would have been banned at the outset for breaking this rule. (Repeatedly)

#Rule 3
No free advertising. If you want to advertise on this site then expect to pay. Members in good standing may plug their own product or service, with prior permission. However, "good standing" must be earned. Definitely don't post an ad in your very first message!"

I have come to realize that they are running out of ways to "advertise".
Trip Advisor takes down their self-promoting posts, Anthony Curtis has told them to stop promoting themselves at Las Vegas Advisor, they would get torn apart at LV Advice or Vegas Message Board. These boards are familiar with their activities of recent years.

I have turned their name into a profanity over at my board. so that it comes out like this #$%%^^^%$#

Wizard of Vegas was one of the few they had not yet targeted.
For better or worse....you are their one success story.

Quote: Blonde4ever

...
Wizard of Vegas was one of the few they had not yet targeted.
For better or worse....you are their one success story.

It seems to me the idea is pretty good. It is the way they went about it that has so many feathers ruffled.

In a way that is not all that hard to believe. With the way the brains are wired on this board, it is easier to process the simple data, ie. "is this proposed deal something I can extract value from, and what is the risk"?

In the world of AP and +EV, there really isn't much more to discuss.

I am not trying to diminish the disrespect you have for VR. If I had the same personal experience you did, I may feel the exact same way. But even with that, if there was monetary value in their card, I would still use it. I'm not rich enough to ignore free money.

Had BB requested permission to post about his card, I feel quite certain it would have been granted, due to the potential for many board members to be able to take advantage of the offer. So, while technically his first post was against the rules as he didn't obtain permission first, it would have likely been allowed. You could argue that had permission been requested, perhaps a good vetting would have uncovered some of the potential issues, and thus allowed for an orderly release of information, instead of the chaos. But that would have deprived the forum of all the drama. :-D

Damn, looks like I missed some good drama while I was gone. Based on the post count though, nothing close to the HB challenge. Ah, the salad days... :p

Quote: Blonde4ever

Thank you for that. :)

If the Mods had been quicker on enforcing the rules, and the trolls got the executions they deserved, OhioVegasGuy (BB) would have been banned at the outset for breaking this rule. (Repeatedly)

#Rule 3
No free advertising. If you want to advertise on this site then expect to pay. Members in good standing may plug their own product or service, with prior permission. However, "good standing" must be earned. Definitely don't post an ad in your very first message!"

I have come to realize that they are running out of ways to "advertise".
Trip Advisor takes down their self-promoting posts, Anthony Curtis has told them to stop promoting themselves at Las Vegas Advisor, they would get torn apart at LV Advice or Vegas Message Board. These boards are familiar with their activities of recent years.

I have turned their name into a profanity over at my board. so that it comes out like this #$%%^^^%$#

Wizard of Vegas was one of the few they had not yet targeted.
For better or worse....you are their one success story.

Quote: AxelWolf
PS. I hope you don't get busted for spamvertising.
Mission146
Administrator
No, this is a legit non-Internet gambling Vegas business interest. The Kiosk would have been the more appropriate sub-forum, but that's splitting hairs.

I would rather it be his first post instead of him purposely trying to participate in conversations just so he could promote his card.

perhaps this is the first place his forum advertising worked, fortunately its the best place.

Quote: AcesAndEights

Damn, looks like I missed some good drama while I was gone. Based on the post count though, nothing close to the HB challenge. Ah, the salad days... :p

Here's the sum of this thread.
Original poster Brad advertises card.
Many show an interest because its +EV.
New posters show up and complain about Brad.
Members-yea but its +EV
New posters continue to complain about Brad
Members-yea but its +EV
Tons of new posters show up just to complain about Brad and flood the thread
Members-yea but its +EV
Blonde4ever shows up, a known person to many members and trusted - complains about Brad
Members-yea but its +EV

LOL...thanks for the laugh!!!!

I also want to take this opportunity to point out that it's +EV.

Quote: Mission146

I also want to take this opportunity to point out that it's +EV.

Yes and even if we catch him with both, a dead girl and a live boy..... It's still +EV.

Quote: terapined

Here's the sum of this thread.
Original poster Brad advertises card.
Many show an interest because its +EV.
New posters show up and complain about Brad.
Members-yea but its +EV
New posters continue to complain about Brad
Members-yea but its +EV
Tons of new posters show up just to complain about Brad and flood the thread
Members-yea but its +EV
Blonde4ever shows up, a known person to many members and trusted - complains about Brad
Members-yea but its +EV

You forgot... "someone" sends shills in to support Brad.

Quote: Blonde4ever

Thank you for that. :)

If the Mods had been quicker on enforcing the rules, and the trolls got the executions they deserved, OhioVegasGuy (BB) would have been banned at the outset for breaking this rule. (Repeatedly)

#Rule 3
No free advertising. If you want to advertise on this site then expect to pay. Members in good standing may plug their own product or service, with prior permission. However, "good standing" must be earned. Definitely don't post an ad in your very first message!"

I have come to realize that they are running out of ways to "advertise".
Trip Advisor takes down their self-promoting posts, Anthony Curtis has told them to stop promoting themselves at Las Vegas Advisor, they would get torn apart at LV Advice or Vegas Message Board. These boards are familiar with their activities of recent years.

I have turned their name into a profanity over at my board. so that it comes out like this #$%%^^^%$#

Wizard of Vegas was one of the few they had not yet targeted.
For better or worse....you are their one success story.

I disagree with you (and RaleighCraps) about both the speed of my/our actions and the nature of the discussion. I watched that thread very carefully; OVG stayed just under the line for self-promotion in his first post, but it was close enough that I would have banned him then. However, a couple people had posted in response, asking for more information, and we have had extensive discussions about other coupon books and promotions, so I allowed the discussion to continue pending the direction it took.

When the detractors began flocking to the board, the conversation grew heated, but everyone except John refrained from personal insults. Brad continued to answer questions honestly and with a positive tone, though obviously from his perspective, and did not respond in kind to most of the rudeness. A great deal of information was exchanged within the argument, enough for those interested to decide for themselves whether to contact Brad about a card, whether to meet him in person, whether to research his offers with some of the properties for veracity. Other people who like his product also joined this board in order to provide support of his product. This is all well and good, and very much within the guidelines of free speech this board allows when others just delete something they don't agree with. Mission and I reached the same cutoff point within about the same hour, and he posted, so there was no sense in my piling on.

As to trolling, if you're one of the people who sounded off in that thread and joined just to do so, either side of the argument, well....pot, meet kettle.

Your board is your board, and your opinion has been heard here, along with everybody else's. Thank you, and now we're moving on. Please don't call other members on this board trolls again, or it will be considered a personal insult.

Well said.

Rule 11
Multiple accounts: One account per person. Posting under multiple identities is cause for immediate expulsion. (Added 12/30/2010)

According Face's post on page 30 of this thread BB signed up under the name calijeff on Sept 21, 2014 and posted posing as a customer of VR..not as an owner.

https://wizardofvegas.com/member/calijeff/

It was his only thread, and it was promoting his own business.
It caused some discussion where the majority of members declared it spam.
This was it.


"There is a great deal on the Vegas Rover Deals Card. Just bought a Basic membership for $25

Here is the list hope I didn't miss any deals

30% Off Rooms the D Las Vegas
$35/$75 Rooms and No resort fee Tuscany Suites
15% Off Rooms Tropicana Las Vegas
$25 Table Match Play the D Las Vegas
$25 Table Match Play Golden Gate Las Vegas
$40 Table Match Play Tuscany Suites ($10 Quarterly)
$40 Free Slot Play (Play $25 Receive $10 Quarterly)
$10 Table Match Play Tropicana Las Vegas
$25 Push on 22 Blackjack the D Las Vegas
$25 Free Play (Earn 200 points) Golden Gate Las Vegas
$5 Free Slot Play for every 50 points $100 Max) the D Las Vegas
2-1 Entree Cantina & Marilyn's Cafe Tuscany Suites
20% Off Cortez Room Steakhouse Gold Coast Las Vegas
Frankie Scinta $18.18 Tickets the D Las Vegas
Laughternoon Buy 1 Get 1 the D Las Vegas
Marriage Can Be Murder $10 Off the D Las Vegas
2-1 Drinks Trop Lounge Tropicana Las Vegas
Discounted Monorail Tickets"

www.vegasrover.com

BB already had another ID , OhioVegasGuy (thus breaking rule 11) which he signed up for on August 13,2013

His first post is an ad .
This is it.


"There is a current 5% Off Code for Palms Slot Play Coupons.

New Members $50 Slot Play for $23.75

Current Members $40 Slot Play for $23.75

This is the only discount code you will find anywhere.

http://slotplaycoupons.com/LVROVER5"




His second post with this ID was this thread....which is another ad for VR.

He has only posted three threads at Wizard of Vegas, (with two different IDs) and all three are ads .

My understanding of your rules indicates he has broken both
the Number 11. ID rules and the Number 3. Free advertising rules.

I certainly mean no disrespect to any of the faithful members here.

Quote: Blonde4ever

Rule 11
Multiple accounts: One account per person. Posting under multiple identities is cause for immediate expulsion. (Added 12/30/2010)

According Face's post on page 30 of this thread BB signed up under the name calijeff on Sept 21, 2014 and posted posing as a customer of VR..not as an owner.

https://wizardofvegas.com/member/calijeff/

It was his only thread, and it was promoting his own business.
This was it.


"There is a great deal on the Vegas Rover Deals Card. Just bought a Basic membership for $25

Here is the list hope I didn't miss any deals

30% Off Rooms the D Las Vegas
$35/$75 Rooms and No resort fee Tuscany Suites
15% Off Rooms Tropicana Las Vegas
$25 Table Match Play the D Las Vegas
$25 Table Match Play Golden Gate Las Vegas
$40 Table Match Play Tuscany Suites ($10 Quarterly)
$40 Free Slot Play (Play $25 Receive $10 Quarterly)
$10 Table Match Play Tropicana Las Vegas
$25 Push on 22 Blackjack the D Las Vegas
$25 Free Play (Earn 200 points) Golden Gate Las Vegas
$5 Free Slot Play for every 50 points $100 Max) the D Las Vegas
2-1 Entree Cantina & Marilyn's Cafe Tuscany Suites
20% Off Cortez Room Steakhouse Gold Coast Las Vegas
Frankie Scinta $18.18 Tickets the D Las Vegas
Laughternoon Buy 1 Get 1 the D Las Vegas
Marriage Can Be Murder $10 Off the D Las Vegas
2-1 Drinks Trop Lounge Tropicana Las Vegas
Discounted Monorail Tickets"


BB already had another ID (thus breaking rule 11) which he signed up for on August 13,2013

His first post is an ad for VR.
This is it.


"There is a current 5% Off Code for Palms Slot Play Coupons.

New Members $50 Slot Play for $23.75

Current Members $40 Slot Play for $23.75

This is the only discount code you will find anywhere.

http://slotplaycoupons.com/LVROVER5"




His second post with this ID was this thread....which is another ad for VR.

He has only posted three threads at Wizard of Vegas, (with two different IDs) and all three are ads for VR.

My understanding of your rules indicates he has broken both
the Number 11. ID rules and the Number 3. Free advertising rules.

I certainly mean no disrespect to any of the faithful members here.

He shot himself in the foot when he asked an admin to check IP's and they found a match with HIS ip address.
Im also shocked he was not removed from the forum for breaking a basic rule.

Rule #3, for anyone that participates here, is obviously a judgment call. Members often say they have comps or hotels to sell/trade, as long as it doesn't get too spammy it usually flies. Kind of like speeding. People expressed an interest and wanted to know about it.

Wow, I actually read this whole thread. . .

And wow, 3 posts in 5 years. . .

LOL!! I was just thinking the same thing. "Wow, I actually read this whole thread..." Very interesting the say the least. Greatly appreciated the 'keen eyes" and 'insight' of many of the longstanding members of WoV.
Thanks for the lessons.
JZ

Quote: AxelWolf

Yes and even if we catch him with both, a dead girl and a live boy..... It's still +EV.

Wait....what? Your mind is becoming a scary place. :)

Just in case anyone missed the free Vegas Rover code offered at the meet up, but they still want a card. Someone encouraged them to give ALL WOV members an additional 15% off. I'm not sure if or what code is needed, perhaps someone knows and can share that information.

PS I wouldn't have even bothered posting this if not for all of the negative mudslinging. I guess I'm just rooting for the "Victim" to prevail.

Obviously I want companies like this to be successful, hopefully other companies to spring up and it will encourage more casinos to hop on board with the program.

So part of the deal of getting a free gold membership was talking about my experience using the VR card. After some communication issues, got the code for the gold card at the Wizard meet up.

The process to put in the code was fairly simple and gave a free year of Gold Membership as promised earlier in the thread. Overall took about 10 days or so to get the card because of holidays and the like. Finally got around to using it today.

Went to the D Players Club. Found out they are open at 7am which is good for an early riser like me. I said I would like a players card and that I also had a Vegas Rover card and but them both on the desk. The girl took my ID and pushed the Rover Card back and said she has no idea what that is and that the D does not accept it. After explaining the extras the card offered and what it is supposed to give, she was unmoved and refused to give any extras. One of the card extras that she did give was the earn 5 dollars for every 50 points up to 100 dollars. However, that was something you get for signing up for a players card normally. Basically it breaks down to a 1% bonus up to 10k coin in.

Played for a while and of course took my obligatory Coney break. Came back and played to about 6k coin in with a loss a 15 dollars playing coin dropper NSUD.

To get the Free Play I had to go back to the Players Club to get it loaded to the card. Since it was another shift and a different girl working, I tried the card again. The girl looked at it and said "Oh a Rover". She then pulled out a folder and turned to a page that had the full Vegas Rover breakdown. She gave me a 25 dollar matchplay voucher and a Get out of jail free voucher if I hit 22. Took the matchplay voucher and played it with the max match of 25. Had a 17 vs a 5. Dealer turned over a 10 and then hit with a 9. Was able to take chips without having to play any more. Saved 22 voucher for later(showed no expiration date).

Recap:

NSUD Play -15
free Play 55 played to 57
Matchplay +50

Headed over to Golden Gate. The girl working there recognized the Rover Card and I was able to choose between 25 dollar matchplay and play 200 points to get 25 dollars(200 dollars coin in). I picked the matchplay and was given a chip. Took the chip to a table and was dealt a blackjack. Dealer had an A showing so took the safe route and took even money. Dealer flipped over down card and was a 10. Once again I was able to leave after one hand with no trouble.

Recap

Matchplay +50

Total +142

Probably won't try the other casinos but will update this when I use the Tropicana offer. One note about the D freeplay offer, you can use that for the first 3 days which means you can get a maximum of 300 in freeplay from 30k coin in.