Driving with Money
Amazing.
Quote: rainmanBob the police profile and due to your age and likely your appearance your not likely to get harassed anytime soon.
I've never fit the profile in my life,
that's my point. If I had long hair
and was covered in tats with a
dozen fast food containers on the
dash, I would never carry more than
$20 with me. The cops will never bother
me.
Twenty years ago when I went to antique
shows with the van full of banana boxs
filled with thousands of dollars in antiques,
the few times I got stopped not once was
I asked what was in the all the boxes.
I didn't fit a profile.
Quote: rainmanBob the police profile and due to your age and likely your appearance your not likely to get harassed anytime soon.
Profiling is not harrasment, it makes sense.
Quote: EvenBobI've never fit the profile in my life,
that's my point. If I had long hair
and was covered in tats with a
dozen fast food containers on the
dash, I would never carry more than
$20 with me. The cops will never bother
me.
And some people do fit a profile.
Strong point.
Quote: GandlerProfiling is not harrasment, it makes sense.
Absolutely it makes sense. They do it
because it works. The people that scream
the most about profiling are the ones
trying to get away with something.
Quote: EvenBobAbsolutely it makes sense. They do it
because it works. The people that scream
the most about profiling are the one
trying to get away with something.
Exactly, I'm a young male, I am far far more likely to commit a crime or violence than a senior female. It makes sense that cops would watch me a little closer in public.
I have no problem with profling, because I have nothing to hide and it works.
Dramatized theoretical scenarioQuote: AxelWolflink pleaseQuote: onenickelmiracleWhy on Earth would we discuss this if you were right? To top that, you just damaged your credibility in many discussions with such a statement.Quote: dirty cop robbing EvenbobThen whatchu doin' with all that drug money then, boy? I believe this cash is the proceeds from a drug deal. This is going home with us.
I knew, and already warned driver before, I wasn't the one driving, and I was looking down on my phone, we seemed to be out of the speed trap zone, and seemed to be in the clear.Quote: BozDamn Axel, I'm from 2000 miles away and I know to drive 20 through Searchlight! Dropping the speed limit so fast is the only way they make money in that town.
The other time they were in a unusual unmarked vehicle.
Quote: RSAnd some people do fit a profile..
When I was working the small towns of northern Nevada I got profiled myself
But not like you think. Sitting in a bar having a drink some asshole would ask me the inevitable "are u a narc?" My standard reply was "damn right i am. But tell u what I'm gonna do. I"m gonna let u go this time."
The frickin' idiots. If i was a narc i would't be clean cut, shaved and wearing nice clothes. I'd have long hair, beard, tats, grungy clothes. WhT idiots
Last year, the county made $440,832.53 from the sale of seized property, giving $234,604.57 to local municipalities, according to the annual reports.
“The point of using forfeiture is that it’s a law enforcement tool for deterrence," Sean D. McMurtry, head of the Prosecutor’s Office Forfeiture Unit, said in an interview last week. “We’re not out to make money on this.’’
Quote: NJchiefHere is an article from a New Jersey paper today.
http://www.nj.com/mercer/index.ssf/2014/12/civil_forfeiture_on_the_rise_in_mercer_county_drawing_criticism.html#incart_river
Last year, the county made $440,832.53 from the sale of seized property, giving $234,604.57 to local municipalities, according to the annual reports.
“The point of using forfeiture is that it’s a law enforcement tool for deterrence," Sean D. McMurtry, head of the Prosecutor’s Office Forfeiture Unit, said in an interview last week. “We’re not out to make money on this.’’
And that is the problem.
The "locals" make money off of this. Mercer County got $440k, and used $234k to buy toys for the local police.
If they take it, they get to use it. If they have to give some back? Oh, Well. They are still ahead of the game.
Many of the forfeiture cases are folks who are involved in illegal trade.
Still, I think it is a slippery slope when the guy on the street making the stop gets to be the judge and jury about YOUR assets. I do not fit the profile, whatever it is, but when I get stopped, (I have a lead foot), and they ask to search, my answer, is "No". I have nothing to hide, and no matter what, I am not in a hurry at that point. Yes, you can get a warrant. But that is PITA for them and takes time. That is OK. I have the time.
You will find nothing.
And I will call my appointment and reschedule.
The erosion of the fourth amendment in these particular cases in astounding.
Here is the Supreme Court decision that started of all this: Bennis Vs Michigan Mr. Bennis decides to get a BJ in Detroit, and the Wayne County Prosecutor takes his car that is owned jointly with his wife. (77 Pontiac, the crime was in 1988, How much is that car worth?) She files a lawsuit to return the car, as an innocent party, and the SCOTUS sides with the Prosecutor. And after that the CF laws started to expand quickly.
This isn't just about driving with cash. The local authorities take your assets, and then YOU have to fight to get them back. But it is the world we live in now...
SFB
Quote: NJchiefr
Last year, the county made $440,832.53 from the sale of seized property, ’
Most of is not from traffic stops. A lot of
it is unclaimed seized stolen property,
or from drug busts. All counties have
auctions every year to get rid of it,
been doing it for decades. There are
always tons of bicycles and electronics
and even cars.
Quote: SFBAnd that is the problem.
The "locals" make money off of this. Mercer County got $440k, and used $234k to buy toys for the local police.
If they take it, they get to use it. If they have to give some back? Oh, Well. They are still ahead of the game.
Many of the forfeiture cases are folks who are involved in illegal trade.
Still, I think it is a slippery slope when the guy on the street making the stop gets to be the judge and jury about YOUR assets. I do not fit the profile, whatever it is, but when I get stopped, (I have a lead foot), and they ask to search, my answer, is "No". I have nothing to hide, and no matter what, I am not in a hurry at that point. Yes, you can get a warrant. But that is PITA for them and takes time. That is OK. I have the time.
You will find nothing.
And I will call my appointment and reschedule.
The erosion of the fourth amendment in these particular cases in astounding.
Here is the Supreme Court decision that started of all this: Bennis Vs Michigan Mr. Bennis decides to get a BJ in Detroit, and the Wayne County Prosecutor takes his car that is owned jointly with his wife. (77 Pontiac, the crime was in 1988, How much is that car worth?) She files a lawsuit to return the car, as an innocent party, and the SCOTUS sides with the Prosecutor. And after that the CF laws started to expand quickly.
This isn't just about driving with cash. The local authorities take your assets, and then YOU have to fight to get them back. But it is the world we live in now...
SFB
The more government we have the more government abuses we will have. Something the blacks and the Occupy crowd are too dense to realize.
SimpletonQuote: bobsimsQuote: SFBAnd that is the problem.
The "locals" make money off of this. Mercer County got $440k, and used $234k to buy toys for the local police.
If they take it, they get to use it. If they have to give some back? Oh, Well. They are still ahead of the game.
Many of the forfeiture cases are folks who are involved in illegal trade.
Still, I think it is a slippery slope when the guy on the street making the stop gets to be the judge and jury about YOUR assets. I do not fit the profile, whatever it is, but when I get stopped, (I have a lead foot), and they ask to search, my answer, is "No". I have nothing to hide, and no matter what, I am not in a hurry at that point. Yes, you can get a warrant. But that is PITA for them and takes time. That is OK. I have the time.
You will find nothing.
And I will call my appointment and reschedule.
The erosion of the fourth amendment in these particular cases in astounding.
Here is the Supreme Court decision that started of all this: Bennis Vs Michigan Mr. Bennis decides to get a BJ in Detroit, and the Wayne County Prosecutor takes his car that is owned jointly with his wife. (77 Pontiac, the crime was in 1988, How much is that car worth?) She files a lawsuit to return the car, as an innocent party, and the SCOTUS sides with the Prosecutor. And after that the CF laws started to expand quickly.
This isn't just about driving with cash. The local authorities take your assets, and then YOU have to fight to get them back. But it is the world we live in now...
SFB
The more government we have the more government abuses we will have. Something the blacks and the Occupy crowd are too dense to realize.
You can read the details here.
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2015/02/11/florida-dui-warren-redlich/23236797/
Quote: DieterI am not a lawyer. (Talk to your lawyer.) I am not a banker. (Talk to your banker.)
Alternately, a high-daily limit ATM card (or 6) may work better. q]
There is a debit card you can withdraw $3000 from ATM's every day 24 hour period and as well you can do up to $9,999.99 bank cash advances for $35.00. And you can do multiple cash advances. I posted the card, it is great.Bac79=Hazardous Material and Chemical person correcting other's mistakes. Non AP'er, I can't count cards, low intelligence. Sprinkles magical dust on the cards. Has a lucky monkey. Baby also has a green one. Sum it up: "It's okay just blame me, it's all my fault"! ( No one believes me--so I chose to stop posting)
Dip it in black paint (or some color). Toss it in the back seat.
When you get to your destination, clean it and then sell it.
I suppose, on average even with fluctuating gold prices it will all work out even no matter how many times you do it.
(too much trouble, but I mean, if you really need alternatives_)
Quote: rxwineConvert your money to a gold bar(s).
Dip it in black paint (or some color). Toss it in the back seat.
When you get to your destination, clean it and then sell it.
I suppose, on average even with fluctuating gold prices it will all work out even no matter how many times you do it.
(too much trouble, but I mean, if you really need alternatives_)
Just don't trust Sharon Stone.
Put your cash in a box and wrap it with birthday gift wrap. Slap on a bow & tag and you've hidden it in plain sight. What cop is going to question much less try to open an obvious birthday present? If you want to make it more benign, use baby gift wrap. If questioned about it, it's a gift of some outfits for a friend / cousin / niece / granddaughter / coworker who just had a baby.
or
Take a box of crackers, cereal, Triscuits, or other food item you keep at room temperature. Open it from the bottom and remove some of the product. Close the interior plastic bag up and add your cash to the box. Make sure the weight feels reasonable. Use a hot glue gun to reseal the bottom of the box. It's now hidden in plain sight. What cop is going to give an ordinary box that is obviously factory sealed (on the top) a second look?
Also, I've seen a life hack online for emptying out an old deodorant stick container and using it as a cash concealer. It seems like that would work well too.
Quote: Toes14I've always liked the idea of hiding things in plain sight. Here are a couple scenarios I thought of:
Put your cash in a box and wrap it with birthday gift wrap. Slap on a bow & tag and you've hidden it in plain sight. What cop is going to question much less try to open an obvious birthday present? If you want to make it more benign, use baby gift wrap. If questioned about it, it's a gift of some outfits for a friend / cousin / niece / granddaughter / coworker who just had a baby.
or
Take a box of crackers, cereal, Triscuits, or other food item you keep at room temperature. Open it from the bottom and remove some of the product. Close the interior plastic bag up and add your cash to the box. Make sure the weight feels reasonable. Use a hot glue gun to reseal the bottom of the box. It's now hidden in plain sight. What cop is going to give an ordinary box that is obviously factory sealed (on the top) a second look?
Also, I've seen a life hack online for emptying out an old deodorant stick container and using it as a cash concealer. It seems like that would work well too.
At smoke shops where you can buy "tobacco water pipes" (don't say the "B" word or you'll get kicked out), they oftentimes sell secret compartment stuffs. Like a plastic bottle of Mountain Dew, where it all looks real, except you can unscrew it in the middle and hide cash inside.
That sounds great. Until the car gets towed and the tow yard guy eats his way to the bottom of your Triscuts while he's hanging out "guarding" the cars all night...Quote: Toes14Take a box of crackers, cereal, Triscuits, or other food item you keep at room temperature. Open it from the bottom and remove some of the product. Close the interior plastic bag up and add your cash...
They sell those and other similar fake product containers ready-made for that purpose of hiding/safekeeping of valuables. There was a whole shelf about a dozen versions of that kind of thing for sale at Fry's Electronics last time I was in. Probably safe from the tow yard guy ever wanting to use the deodorant, but I think they've become common enough that thieves are onto it, so maybe Mr. Policeman is too. If his fevered imagination decides you've got dope and comes up with grounds to search, I don't think I like the chances of the deodorant container surviving his inquisitive fingers. I think that "I'll 'hide' the stash in a [xxxxx] box or can, mon" has been the standard stoner thing since the 1970's. And never worked back then. Or so I'm told by those who can remember where they were and what-all they did in the 1970's.Quote: Toes14Also, I've seen a life hack online for emptying out an old deodorant stick container and using it as a cash concealer. It seems like that would work well too.
Quote: DrawingDeadProbably safe from the tow yard guy ever wanting to use the deodorant, but I think they've become common enough that thieves are onto it, so maybe Mr. Policeman is too.
I recall when I was 19 (underage). I crossed state lines with a case of beer, ounce of weed, and a couple tabs in search of a party. Got into PA, couldn't find it. Ended up partying with my buddy by ourselves in a random grocery store parking lot. He was 17. Slept in the car.
Woke up the next day and still couldn't find the party. Ended up drinking beer in the gas station parking lot next to a pay phone waiting for a return call. Out of boredom, my buddy cut up a Mt Dew can and wrapped it around his Miller Genuine Draft. We were twisted, it was funny. It was on the dash when 5-0 surprised us at the window. He questioned what we were doing, and after a lot of 5-0 type hassling, told us to beat feet. Never saw the beer. Never led to a search, avoided inevitable jail time.
Sometimes, stupid disguises work. Then again, I've also been pulled over and had 5-0 strip a boxed up pizza clean of toppings in search of contraband. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
My interpretation: pepperoni is a lot more tasty than Mountain Dew.Quote: FaceSometimes, stupid disguises work. Then again, I've also been pulled over and had 5-0 strip a boxed up pizza clean of toppings in search of contraband. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.
Quote: DrawingDeadMy interpretation: pepperoni is a lot more tasty than Mountain Dew.
I'm just saying, sometimes you get lucky. But that's what it is - luck.
Having so many cop friends I hear the stories. People hide stuff in places you'd never imagine, places you wouldn't think possible. Like, how do you hollow out a bowling ball without destroying the ball or altering the weight? How do you hollow out a bolt, yet still have it work as a bolt?
Stuff like the cereal box? Pretty good idea, IMO. But if you're serious about hiding something, don't fall into a false sense of security. All it takes is that one cop that's having a good day, is full of initiative, and is ready to make a difference.
Quote: FaceI'm just saying, sometimes you get lucky. But that's what it is - luck.
Having so many cop friends I hear the stories. People hide stuff in places you'd never imagine, places you wouldn't think possible. Like, how do you hollow out a bowling ball without destroying the ball or altering the weight? How do you hollow out a bolt, yet still have it work as a bolt?
Stuff like the cereal box? Pretty good idea, IMO. But if you're serious about hiding something, don't fall into a false sense of security. All it takes is that one cop that's having a good day, is full of initiative, and is ready to make a difference.
I think that's why maybe gold is a good idea. Looks and feels like metal. Painted, it could be missed in the engine compartment, or even fitted into a piece cut out of the engine compartment. (I heard of people who are good at hacking up cars, wink wink)
Most likely you could avoid it having traces of drugs which money might hang onto and a dog might alert on.
I wouldn't recommend screwing with your gas tank, but you could probably modify your windshield washer fluid container to hold some cash.
Quote: rxwineLooks and feels like metal.
Is metal, silly =)
I guess it depends on how much you're trying to transport (I'm sort of new to the thread and haven't seen the amounts being bandied about).
If I was a drug mule hauling mid to upper six digits, I'd make a mold, cast a steering wheel, and wrap it in vinyl. Just make sure it's not on a stock tuner; aftermarket wheels look odd on stock rides. Oh, and do take the time to wire the horn =p
$10k or less? That's just a few dollar sized coins. Possibilities are endless.
Quote: Toes14What about putting in in a box and gift wrapping it with birthday wrapping paper? That seems like a good way to hide it in plain view. What cop is going to question someone having a birthday present in their car, no matter what the destination?
In one of the many articles on asset forfeiture I have read in the past year (I don't remember which one), there was a story about a middle-aged woman who did just this. Except she actually was working for the drug dealers, and had some insane amount of cash ($200K+) wrapped up in presents. I don't remember how the caught her, but I wouldn't count on that method to work all the time.
Quote: AcesAndEightsIn one of the many articles on asset forfeiture I have read in the past year (I don't remember which one), there was a story about a middle-aged woman who did just this. Except she actually was working for the drug dealers, and had some insane amount of cash ($200K+) wrapped up in presents. I don't remember how the caught her, but I wouldn't count on that method to work all the time.
You could probably hide bills within double sheets of the same wrapping paper. Just make it very easy to unwrap so it doesn't need tearing. All the time they are looking at what's in the box.
Quote: sc15I wouldn't recommend screwing with your gas tank, but you could probably modify your windshield washer fluid container to hold some cash.
Don't some states have laws making it illegal to have hidey-holes in your car, even if you're not using them and don't know about them?
