aruzin
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October 10th, 2019 at 9:33:50 AM permalink
This is an old thread but I had the same issue with observation and patterns, so...

To clarify it is obvious that 10 consecutive reds (or heads or whatever) don't come as often as say 3 reds. This is just the nature of normalized distribution of a random event or outcome (unless not random).

So why not bet more on black after observing 10 consecutive reds... !? I think when I raised this someone to clarify it said the reason is you are not betting on any pattern or combination of outcomes, you are betting on just one hand/roll and that is that, you just consider that one hand, and for that hand the odds are the same for red or black (or head/tail).

Which makes sense to a point, but here is the question, how can you bet on combination or consecutive results if you want to, is there a way to do that ... !?

Say we agree to throw the coin 100 times, and I say if you get 10 consecutive heads you give me so and so for every streak and otherwise I give you so and so. Does that make sense and can you apply that to casino games....!? (or the payment structure is such that you still loose because the payout is worse than the odds...).

Isn't this just the Nightingale system (doubling bet after loosing) when you would/could run out of money before the payout... ?
Last edited by: aruzin on Oct 10, 2019
michael99000
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Thanks for this post from:
October 10th, 2019 at 9:42:40 AM permalink
Quote: aruzin

Isn't this just the Nightingale system (doubling bet after loosing) when you would/could run out of money before the payout... ?

It sure is. Legend has it , that while tending to the wounds of injured soldiers during the Crimean War, Florence Nightingale worked on roulette betting systems between shifts.

Best of luck with your strategy
OnceDear
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October 10th, 2019 at 10:24:20 AM permalink
Quote: aruzin

Say we agree to through the coin 100 times, and I say if you get 10 consecutive heads you give me so and so for every streak and otherwise I give you so and so. Does that make sense and can you apply that to casino games....!?

There's no flaw in what you suggest ( apart from mixing Martingale with Nightingale :) ). You are effectively suggesting constructing a wager with odds that you prefer, but where the wager consists of multiple spins/flips/events.

I do this often for amusement.

E.g. if playing roulette, one COULD wager on red for an ( almost ) 50:50 wager, or one could DECIDE ahead of wagering that he would bet on red AND if the wager loses, double up once But if the wager wins, to walk away.

Thus one constructs a wager where the probability of success is roughly 75%, and the player puts 4 units at risk, with potential to win 1 unit.

This does not influence or beat the house edge, and the player can change his strategy part way through the composite wager.
Beware. The earth is NOT flat. Hit and run is not a winning strategy: Pressing into trends IS not a winning strategy: Progressives are not a winning strategy: Don't Buy It! .Don't even take it for free.
FleaStiff
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October 10th, 2019 at 10:29:20 AM permalink
Quote: aruzin

Isn't this just the Nightingale system (doubling bet after loosing) when you would/could run out of money before the payout... ?

Martingale.

We still are faced with the question: Do either the ball or the wheel know those past results and do they feel some obligation to "even things out" because they know you are standing there relying on them?
Wizard
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October 10th, 2019 at 12:58:50 PM permalink
Quote: seven

The Wizard himself states there are strategies to win-

It's not whether you win or lose; it's whether or not you had a good bet.
AxelWolf
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October 10th, 2019 at 1:14:49 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

Closeted system player?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
michael99000
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October 10th, 2019 at 1:22:06 PM permalink
Quote: Wizard

He maybe have confused you with EvenBob
EvenBob
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October 10th, 2019 at 1:27:42 PM permalink
Quote: michael99000

He maybe have confused you with EvenBob

That does happen a lot..
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EvenBob
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October 10th, 2019 at 1:30:54 PM permalink
Quote: warpzones

But why??At the moment I can see that there seems to be a presumption that roulette is completely random? Believe me if it's true I will steer clear of it

Why on earth would you think
it's not random? That's the
whole point of the game,
random outcomes. If it
wasn't random it could be
easily beaten.
"It's not enough to succeed, your friends must fail." Gore Vidal
Wizard
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