Sonuvabish
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October 29th, 2014 at 9:15:53 PM permalink
I thought they should have sent him home...not in hindsight, during the play. When I saw the replay, I wasn't as sure, but still was more than 50% on sending him. Then idiot Perez pops out. Did you think he had a shot? And do you risk it...or do you like your chances with two outs and your #7 hitter at the plate? I think I send him, it woulda taken a perfect throw.
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October 29th, 2014 at 9:38:45 PM permalink
I think he would have been thrown out. The cut off man held the ball, perhaps to bait him.

I agree on sending a pinch hitter. You just need to make contact, but everyone was swinging for the fence.
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October 30th, 2014 at 3:31:59 AM permalink
I thought of it too, but the third base coach made the right play. He was between second and third when the throw was made to the infield. Any decent throw would have hung him up between third and home. You don't bring your season down to that.

Third base coaches are very conservative, I think. I remember when Joel Skinner held Kenny Lofton up at third when the Indians were in their ALCS elimination game (ugh).

Too bad it had to come down to Perez, but Bumgarner was crushing everybody.
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October 30th, 2014 at 3:45:45 AM permalink
I think he should have gone for it; everybody SF panicked when the SS bobbled the fielding. The adrenalin was through the roof and the CF throw/relay could easily have been off enough to let Gordon make the plate. The thing I couldn't figure was that Gordon kind of danced a bit, waiting for someone to make a decision approaching 2nd, and lost maybe 3-5 seconds just reaching third. They (KC) had to decide before the ball was even hit that he needed to run full out on anything for him to have made it home. Which is armchairing it, as they couldn't know the CF would have trouble fielding as well until it happened.

Would have loved to see KC win on an in-the-park HR/error. Ah, well.
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October 30th, 2014 at 5:25:13 AM permalink
I thought so at first, but this morning I read an analysis that even if Gordon had sprinted the whole way (he didn't, he only turned on the gas when the ball got past the center fielder), it would have taken him 15 seconds to score. At the 12 second point of the play, the cutoff man was holding the ball and winding up to throw. Even if the throw would have been off line, 2 seconds is a lot of time in a baseball play. Gordon would have been out by 20 feet.
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October 30th, 2014 at 5:51:01 AM permalink
Quote: Mosca

I thought so at first, but this morning I read an analysis that even if Gordon had sprinted the whole way (he didn't, he only turned on the gas when the ball got past the center fielder), it would have taken him 15 seconds to score. At the 12 second point of the play, the cutoff man was holding the ball and winding up to throw. Even if the throw would have been off line, 2 seconds is a lot of time in a baseball play. Gordon would have been out by 20 feet.



I agree, if Gordan went for it, the talk this morning would have been Gordan blew it, didn't give his team a chance to tie it up.
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October 30th, 2014 at 6:01:05 AM permalink
I've watched a lot of baseball over the years. Probably 90% Gordon is out if he goes. Just not worth the risk.
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October 30th, 2014 at 8:30:00 AM permalink
The counter argument is that with the way Bumgarner was pitching, it might have been their only chance. But Gordon just got a hit, and a solid one. In the end, the Giants just flat out won.

Good series, Royals. See everyone next year.
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October 30th, 2014 at 10:34:55 AM permalink
Quote: vendman1

I've watched a lot of baseball over the years. Probably 90% Gordon is out if he goes. Just not worth the risk.



Gordon was rounding third when shortstop caught the ball...he had not turned around yet. Going full speed he's 1/3 there when the throw is released. Yes, he may be out by 20 feet if the throw is perfect. Bout 180 foot throw. I'm not sure who said he was already winding up according to the analysis, but if memory serves, this is not accurate...he was prepared to throw home after Gordon had been held up. I heard some analysis on MLB radio. It was a split on whether they should have sent him. I no longer believe I was right that it was greater than 50% chance he scores. Gordon was out of breath and slowing down, which I didn't take into consideration. But I still think that it was greater than the, generally speaking, 1/4 chance he scores on another play before another out occurs...less when you consider the matchup. There is no way he is out 90% of the time.
Whoever said it would have been bad to end the game by sending Gordon like that? If Gordon is thrown out, it could be one of the most epic ends to a world series...EVER. Ending it on a foul pop-up...you thought that was better huh?
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October 30th, 2014 at 1:05:30 PM permalink
I'm trying to remember where I read the analysis. When I come up with it, I'll post the link.
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