How do you get a comped room when going to a new casino for the first time?
I anticipate ~ 8 hours of 1-5K / hand action on table games for the trip and want to get a comped room for 4 - 5 nights. I have history of this play at several vegas casinos, and am planning a trip to a non-vegas casino.
If I get a credit line (let's say 20K) approved, would I be able to get an up front comp for the room? What if I can't get the credit line? I find it kind of doubtful that a host would just take someone's word for it that they're going to play X amount and extend them a room.
Years ago, when Borgata first opened, my wife and I went to check it out. We get on the back of the line to get player cards. There's a gal there directing traffic. Me, being a smart-ass, say to her, "She's a Diamond at Harrah's". Her response was to pull us out of the line, to the front of a separate line where the next clerk took our info, gave us our player cards, and told us that my wife qualified for their top level, got $X00 of free play, and two free nights to use anytime in the next X months.
Like I said, ask and/or show them a high-level card from a competitor.
Quote: DJTeddyBearAsk. And/or show them a high level player card from another casino.
Years ago, when Borgata first opened, my wife and I went to check it out. We get on the back of the line to get player cards. There's a gal there directing traffic. Me, being a smart-ass, say to her, "She's a Diamond at Harrah's". Her response was to pull us out of the line, to the front of a separate line where the next clerk took our info, gave us our player cards, and told us that my wife qualified for their top level, got $X00 of free play, and two free nights to use anytime in the next X months.
Like I said, ask and/or show them a high-level card from a competitor.
This is a solid tip and has worked for me at every new property except the Revel. I'll never forget the first time I went to Revel, showed them my Black Borgata card, and the clerk told me "we're different, we don't care about that."
Quote: sodawaterThis is a solid tip and has worked for me at every new property except the Revel. I'll never forget the first time I went to Revel, showed them my Black Borgata card, and the clerk told me "we're different, we don't care about that."
And that's why revel's closed.
Anyway, I can't do this, because I'm flying there. So I need to have the room (and preferably an airport pickup) booked prior to my arrival. So I would need to get a host over the phone or something. And I somehow doubt that they're going to ask me to text photos of my players cards to see if they want to give me a room or not, lol.
I just went to the Sands in Bethlehem PA and was surprised to see in their literature that they are owned by the same people as the Palazzo/Venetian.
I'm certain, based on my level of play, I could book a comped room at the Venetian by supplying them with my Sands account.
I would check out affiliations first.
Quote: sc15And that's why revel's closed.
Anyway, I can't do this, because I'm flying there. So I need to have the room (and preferably an airport pickup) booked prior to my arrival. So I would need to get a host over the phone or something. And I somehow doubt that they're going to ask me to text photos of my players cards to see if they want to give me a room or not, lol.
You are overthinking this.
Before your trip, either establish a large credit line or wire front money to the casino. Then call the operator and ask for a VIP host.
You'll get assigned a host. He may require you to pay for your room up front and then comp back your folio at the end of your stay based on your play. Or he might just comp you up front.
Quote: sc15And that's why revel's closed.
Anyway, I can't do this, because I'm flying there. So I need to have the room (and preferably an airport pickup) booked prior to my arrival. So I would need to get a host over the phone or something. And I somehow doubt that they're going to ask me to text photos of my players cards to see if they want to give me a room or not, lol.
Seriously if you're betting that much why do you need rooms upfront? Unless you are counting and plan on getting tossed out.
A few casinos have promotions that specifically deal with what your looking for, for 5x less average bet and significantly less credit.
Also you can Contact a independent host, he will tell you if you're eligible for a line of credit, if so, he will set you up.
If you know someone who is established at a casino, and they will vouch for you, Usually a host will take a chance and front you rooms.
Anyway if you truly are betting 1k to 5k per hand at an average casino (probably most)that's more than enough. Simply Book your rooms. When you arrive get a host. Tell the host you plan on betting $500 to $1500 per hand for 12 hrs or bust(lower than you actually plan on betting and losing ). Ask him if that's enough to care of your room and food at the end of your trip.
You will probably get more than you expect.
Quote: sodawaterYou are overthinking this.
Before your trip, either establish a large credit line or wire front money to the casino. Then call the operator and ask for a VIP host.
You'll get assigned a host. He may require you to pay for your room up front and then comp back your folio at the end of your stay based on your play. Or he might just comp you up front.
This is probably the easiest path to take.
I would get your credit line to show them you are serious, then ask for a host. If you play at the levels you indicate, I am quite sure your new host will be more than happy to comp your room, and probably all room charges, when you check out. After than, you should be able to get rooms comp'd before you go.
Quote: AxelWolfSeriously if you're betting that much why do you need rooms upfront? Unless you are counting and plan on getting tossed out.
A few casinos have promotions that specifically deal with what your looking for, for 5x less average bet and significantly less credit.
Also you can Contact a independent host, he will tell you if you're eligible for a line of credit, if so, he will set you up.
If you know someone who is established at a casino, and they will vouch for you, Usually a host will take a chance and front you rooms.
Anyway if you truly are betting 1k to 5k per hand at an average casino (probably most)that's more than enough. Simply Book your rooms. When you arrive get a host. Tell the host you plan on betting $500 to $1500 per hand for 12 hrs or bust(lower than you actually plan on betting and losing ). Ask him if that's enough to care of your room and food at the end of your trip.
You will probably get more than you expect.
I'm not counting cards but I am indeed going for an AP trip, so getting an upfront comp on the room makes it less likely I get stuck with a bill for the room.
There's also no guarantee I'll get in as much play as I anticipate. Length of play will depend on game quality/availability and heat. Average bet will depend on game quality and table max.
If need be I'm willing to go on a conditional comp (since the trip is worth far more than the cost of the rooms), it's obviously just preferable to get it fronted.
Quote: RSHow do you bet 1k-5k avg on a 20k credit line?
I bring cash.
The line of credit is mostly for cover reasons. Being a credit player makes the pit less likely to think you're an AP. (Since APs generally play with bogus names or anonymously, neither of which is possible if you're a credit player)
(And in this case the line of credit might help me get a room comp/airport pickup for my first visit)
Quote: sc15I bring cash.
The line of credit is mostly for cover reasons. Being a credit player makes the pit less likely to think you're an AP. (Since APs generally play with bogus names or anonymously, neither of which is possible if you're a credit player)
(And in this case the line of credit might help me get a room comp/airport pickup for my first visit)
Why is your name in red, sc15? What atrocious deed did you commit?
Quote: 1BBWhy is your name in red, sc15? What atrocious deed did you commit?
He called someone an idiot in another thread. The ban is only for three days.
It was very minor. I suspect it was more because he's only been on here since September.
Quote: tongniI really don't get this. You are playing for tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars and not counting. You made this play successfully in many Vegas casinos without discovery, but now you are worried another casino is going to discover it? Why not just play two days and then check out and re check in if you are afraid of getting hit with everything. If the value of your play is so high I can't imagine worrying about the cost of a room, and if the risk of discovery is so high then why give them the chance to go through your stuff when you get 86ed?
When did I say I never got discovered? Also, when you're winning tens of thousands in a weekend there's always going to be a risk of getting backed off.
It's not so much worrying about the cost of the room, since paying for it won't break me or make the trip not worthwhile, but this is a business, and one of the key elements of having a successful business is investing your money wisely, and giving myself exposure to a potential expense when I don't have to is stupid.
And I did get this taken care of. To anyone interested, if you open a 5 figure credit line with a place you never played at before, they'll be more than happy to extend you a comped room (or even a suite) up front. The host didn't even ask me any questions like how much I play per hand or whatever. Seeing the credit line was enough.
I guess you could use this as a strategy to get a comped room with no play as well if you're into that kind of thing. Open a big credit line, get a comped room and give them no play. Obviously you'll never get anything comped up front again from that place, but I doubt that would be a concern to someone doing this.
Quote: tongniI really don't get this. You are playing for tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars and not counting. You made this play successfully in many Vegas casinos
??? ....I must be missing something.
Where did you get that from, a different thread?
If this is true and he has played like this before, in any casino, then this doesn't pass the smell test. He seems to know about game conditions, average bet size, credit lines etc etc. He should be getting offers up the yin yang. Yet he is asking about something he should know about.
I agreed with the above.Quote: sc15when you're winning tens of thousands in a weekend there's always going to be a risk of getting backed off.
It's not so much worrying about the cost of the room, since paying for it won't break me or make the trip not worthwhile, but this is a business, and one of the key elements of having a successful business is investing your money wisely, and giving myself exposure to a potential expense when I don't have to is stupid.
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You're only Worrying about getting a comped room? Thats subpar successful business practice IMO, you should be getting at least $500 in Free play and RFB.
And for a new place, I wouldn't expect them to front me free play and agree to up front RFB when they've never seen any play from me. I'm sure there's places that would do this to attract a potential new big player, but I can't plan a trip around that. How do you negotiate this kind of thing?
I am most intrigued at what non-counting AP plays are available at BJ at the level you will be playing at......
I shouldn't say it's a non-counting play, but I wouldn't get flagged as a counter because my play pattern is nothing close to how a counter's play pattern would be.
Ask for the host on duty/host department.
Tell them either (a) you want to wire $20k to the cage or (b) want to apply for $20k credit line
Host offers you RFB
Tell them you play $1k-$5k/hand.
(Host wonders to himself how you can play 8 hours/day betting $1k-$5k/hand on a $20k bankroll)
Host hangs up without booking you.
Quote: sc15I've never asked for a comp at a casino I've never set foot in before. So this is new to me. In vegas I would always stay at store I've previously played at and earned comps at a new place before getting anything from them.
And for a new place, I wouldn't expect them to front me free play and agree to up front RFB when they've never seen any play from me. I'm sure there's places that would do this to attract a potential new big player, but I can't plan a trip around that. How do you negotiate this kind of thing?
Very very common for a host to verify with another property your play. They will comp you accordingly on your past property, and comp up front (at least a room or suite/butler service/limo pick up, etc.) the rest they will review after your play. It is so common it is SOP at every property I am familiar with, say 20 of them at least.
Quote: sc15When did I say I never got discovered? Also, when you're winning tens of thousands in a weekend there's always going to be a risk of getting backed off.
It's not so much worrying about the cost of the room, since paying for it won't break me or make the trip not worthwhile, but this is a business, and one of the key elements of having a successful business is investing your money wisely, and giving myself exposure to a potential expense when I don't have to is stupid.
And I did get this taken care of. To anyone interested, if you open a 5 figure credit line with a place you never played at before, they'll be more than happy to extend you a comped room (or even a suite) up front. The host didn't even ask me any questions like how much I play per hand or whatever. Seeing the credit line was enough.
I guess you could use this as a strategy to get a comped room with no play as well if you're into that kind of thing. Open a big credit line, get a comped room and give them no play. Obviously you'll never get anything comped up front again from that place, but I doubt that would be a concern to someone doing this.
Just need a 5 figure deposit or line of credit for a free room.
