20 cent tip
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI like a good burger, but not fast food. There is a chain out here called The Counter (they have them in some other places too but there are a lot out here). Those are good burgers. They grind their own beef every morning and make their own patties. They have one-pound burgers, with a good choice of toppings.
I like to get a 1-pounder with bacon, a fried egg, blue cheese, and sliced jalapeno. It's a far cry from in and out (which has to be the most overrated place in the world -- it is just regular fast food; nothing special at all) Obviously if you get something like that you are paying a lot more than fast food prices.
I had the $100 burger at Fleur (in Mandalay Bay) once. Really disappointing.
I like your burger, I had a friend who said "it ain't a proper meal unless it's got bacon on it", he meant it.
Au Contraire on in and not being special. They don't use burger that has been frozen. I can taste meat [fat] that has been frozen.
I&O also uses real potatoes for they're fries and cut them every day fresh. They are tasty, I don't get to eat much deep fried food anymore. Back in the day I loved grease running down my chin after a juicy burger.
Damn, fried egg, bacon, good meat, blue cheese, lots of juice, I'm starting to get a chubby.
I am not a fan of thin patties (I like thick ones). Even 2 or 3 little patties are not as good as one fat one. So I've never really been a fan of in-n-out.
I am not a fan of their fries either. 5 Guys has WAY better fries. They just got those out here (I think it used to be midwest only?)
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYou made sure to point out that he was rich when saying that you were taking the other side.
I'm guessing that if you were to say "I'm taking the word of the waiter over the black patron" instead of "I'm taking the word of the waiter over the rich patron" that wouldn't have gone over as well. But then, I guess, bigotry against rich people is considered acceptable, while bigotry against black people is not.
So you are assuming he is racist because he sided with the waiter?
For all we know the waiter is black as well, we don't know.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24704777/charlie-sheen-giving-1k-to-waiter-who-got-20-cent-tip-from-lesean-mccoy
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24604765/warren-sapp-tips-waitress-0-on-70-for-horrible-service-waitress-responds
A manager at Upper Deck Sports Bar and Grille told WINZ that he's going to investigate. "I'm going to go through the surveillance tapes to see if the service was in fact poor."
UPDATE: After reviewing the tape from Sapp's visit, a manager at the restaurant told TMZ that Corey did a 'phenomenal' job. Corey checked on Sapp's table over 20 times during his two-hour visit. On the other hand, Corey's looking at a one-week suspension for sending a picture of Sapp's check to her sister.
Quote: GWAEThis whole story is getting ridiculous.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24704777/charlie-sheen-giving-1k-to-waiter-who-got-20-cent-tip-from-lesean-mccoy
Ateast Charlie Sheen. Has a sense of honor.
And that link confirms my suspicions that he was being a total jerk to the staff.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI didn't realize that in-n-out didn't freeze their patties.
I am not a fan of thin patties (I like thick ones). Even 2 or 3 little patties are not as good as one fat one. So I've never really been a fan of in-n-out.
I am not a fan of their fries either. 5 Guys has WAY better fries. They just got those out here (I think it used to be midwest only?)
5 guys originated in northern Virginia. I remember being able to get a regular size (double) burger and an entire brown bag full of fries for under $5.
Quote: wudged5 guys originated in northern Virginia. I remember being able to get a regular size (double) burger and an entire brown bag full of fries for under $5.
That plus an ice tea for $13.75 at Hartsfield airport last week!
Quote: GandlerSo you are assuming he is racist because he sided with the waiter?
For all we know the waiter is black as well, we don't know.
English comprehension fail
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceEnglish comprehension fail
No your point was a fail.
You can't compare racism to people being being skeptical of rich customers who have record of being jerks.
You were trying to discredit his argument by saying his view was Bigoted when it was highly logical.
If somebody has a record of being a cocky jerk, the witnesses at the scene said the player was being a jerk and that the waiter was being excellent. So in this scenario saying "I'm going to side with the waiter over the overpaid greedy football player" (I know that's not the exact quote; I am paraphrasing) is not only not bigoted it is the most logical view to take.
And even if he was bigoted, you can't compare the hatred of ethnic groups to the hatred of overpaid athletes...
Quote: GandlerYou were trying to discredit his argument by saying his view was Bigoted when it was highly logical.
It is bigoted to say "I'm going to take the word of the waiter over the rich football player" just like it is bigoted to say "I'm going to take the word of the waiter over the black football player". There is no logical difference between the two statements; one is bigotry against a race, the other is bigotry against an economic class.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIt is bigoted to say "I'm going to take the word of the waiter over the rich football player" just like it is bigoted to say "I'm going to take the word of the waiter over the black football player". There is no logical difference between the two statements; one is bigotry against a race, the other is bigotry against an economic class.
Wikiquote has quotations related to: Bigotry
Bigotry is a state of mind where a person views other groups with fear, distrust, prejudice or hatred solely on the basis of ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.
I would have thought predjudice was a better fit;
1prej·u·dice noun \ˈpre-jə-dəs\
: an unfair feeling of dislike for a person or group because of race, sex, religion, etc.
: a feeling of like or dislike for someone or something especially when it is not reasonable or logical
It seems if you hate someone because of race or religion there is a word for it, and that is bad.
If you just hate them because they are rich that is fair, I think jealousy or envy a better match, but know I am certainly not the semantics police.
AoC has a very valid point. If someone can't see that it seems to me to be either racist or anti-racist but I'm not sure which?
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceIt is bigoted to say "I'm going to take the word of the waiter over the rich football player" just like it is bigoted to say "I'm going to take the word of the waiter over the black football player". There is no logical difference between the two statements; one is bigotry against a race, the other is bigotry against an economic class.
Bigotry against a class is different than bigotry against a race. Wealth status is an atribute that is not inherent, well it is, but it is changeable. Race/Skin Color is genetic and besides appearance it effects nothing else about you. Wealth and Religion are both inherenable in the sense that you often receive them from your parents, but both can be easily given up or thrown away.
Yes you are right that you can be a bigot in regard to almost anythn my view being bigoted against race is totally different (worst) than being bigoted against wealth/status. Also, beffort you inevitably call me a socialist, I am extremely neoconservative, and I don't support bein bigoted against wealth, but in this case, it is a valid point to predict what may have happened. I will concede thy strictly from a grammar perspective you are correct.
But semantics aside. The more that comes up about this event the more I side with the restaurant. The witnesses there say the customer was acling very angry and aggressive the moment he arrived. And was a jerk the whole time. And, also that the waiter was spot on. If I owned a buisness and some rich football player came in and acted like he owned the place and treated my employees horribly and then leaves a .20 tip which is worst than leaving nothing because it is clearly meant to be a slap in the face, I would be angry too. As I imagine you would be.
The only people who seem to be supporting him on Facebook and this story is all over my face book since most of my friends are from South Jersey/ Philly area, are the die hard eagle nuts who worship the players like gods and think they can do no wrong. The same type of people who made all kinds of excuses for the dog fighter when he got hired...
I have a feeling they are making up this rude customer BS after the fact. They might come out better in the end. I have never heard of this place before, I might just try it if I happen to see it. If Football players are eating there, it must be good. That's all I really care about when it comes to burgers.
To many people are saying he is a good tipper.
Quote: petroglyphWikiquote has quotations related to: Bigotry
Bigotry is a state of mind where a person views other groups with fear, distrust, prejudice or hatred solely on the basis of ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.
I resent the implication that I am a bigot. That bothers me.
I think AoC owes me an apology on that.
And based on the definition above, I'm not a bigot BECAUSE I don't view rich people or football players with fear, distrust, prejududice or hatred solely on the basis of ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.
I do think that leaving a 20 cent tip on a $ 60+ restaurant bill is a crappy thing to do.
And that applies to anyone, regardless of ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.
Quote: JohnnyQI resent the implication that I am a bigot. That bothers me.
I think AoC owes me an apology on that.
I am not implying that you are a bigot. Your bigoted statement implies that you are a bigot. Maybe you owe yourself an apology.
Why else would you say
That shows bigotry against rich people, just like if someone were to say "SO, I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the restaurant and the waiter, not the black football player." it would show bigotry against black people. If someone were to say "SO, I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the restaurant and the waiter, not the tall football player." it would show bigotry against tall people. The implication is that because they are rich (black, tall, or fill in the blank with whatever you want) you they are somehow less deserving of trust or the benefit of the doubt.Quote:SO, I'm gonna give the benefit of the doubt to the restaurant and the waiter, not the rich football player.
Quote: JohnnyQI resent the implication that I am a bigot. That bothers me.
I think AoC owes me an apology on that.
And based on the definition above, I'm not a bigot BECAUSE I don't view rich people or football players with fear, distrust, prejududice or hatred solely on the basis of ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.
I do think that leaving a 20 cent tip on a $ 60+ restaurant bill is a crappy thing to do.
And that applies to anyone, regardless of ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other group characteristics.
I can understand where you or anyone doesn't want to be called names. It is very unpleasant, that is also against the rules here, and not to argue but I don't think he called you anything. I'm sure I didn't.
Words often don't mean what we think they do. It seems with so much of society laboring over political correctness communication suffers. In our desire to not offend we are disallowed using common vernacular that we have used our whole lives.
I must have been in sinc with the flow. I will take a guess here and say AoC has more money than I do. That is ok with me as he doesn't lord that over anyone.
I've rubbed elbows with some pretty wealthy people and can't think of a time they were anything other than decent. The people that bothered me were the ones that were willing to climb over the top of anyone to get to the top, mercilously. The ones that had the dough were generally confident and secure and went about they're lives not really wishing anyone elses downfall. Not so the climbers, lookout if you should accidently get in their way.
I can imagine if I had a significant amount of money I would get plenty tired of being spoken of as guilty for everything wrong in the world. From famine to poverty to not leaving a tip that would change a waiters life.
Truly what would be more valuable to that waiter a 12 dollar tip or words of wisdom about how to succeed. Real stuff, like apply yourself and this is how I did it? Not spoken condescendingly but hearfelt? A toss up I suppose, but the tip won't last long. Like that saying about teaching a guy to fish versus giving them a fish.
Nobody seems to want to hear it, but unless you are born with an advantage or mental gift getting ahead is a lot of hard work. Granted bussing tables is hard work and the truth is he will need some other source of income to get ahead. It sucks, but it has for billions of us. Work sucks, thats why they pay you to do it.
Reread what was said and don't take umbridge as I'm pretty sure no insult was intended, or at least thats not how I read it. Just differing points of view.
Quote: petroglyphI can understand where you or anyone doesn't want to be called names. It is very unpleasant, that is also against the rules here, and not to argue but I don't think he called you anything. I'm sure I didn't.
Words often don't mean what we think they do. It seems with so much of society laboring over political correctness communication suffers. In our desire to not offend we are disallowed using common vernacular that we have used our whole lives.
I must have been in sinc with the flow. I will take a guess here and say AoC has more money than I do. That is ok with me as he doesn't lord that over anyone.
I've rubbed elbows with some pretty wealthy people and can't think of a time they were anything other than decent. The people that bothered me were the ones that were willing to climb over the top of anyone to get to the top, mercilously. The ones that had the dough were generally confident and secure and went about they're lives not really wishing anyone elses downfall. Not so the climbers, lookout if you should accidently get in their way.
I can imagine if I had a significant amount of money I would get plenty tired of being spoken of as guilty for everything wrong in the world. From famine to poverty to not leaving a tip that would change a waiters life.
Truly what would be more valuable to that waiter a 12 dollar tip or words of wisdom about how to succeed. Real stuff, like apply yourself and this is how I did it? Not spoken condescendingly but hearfelt? A toss up I suppose, but the tip won't last long. Like that saying about teaching a guy to fish versus giving them a fish.
Nobody seems to want to hear it, but unless you are born with an advantage or mental gift getting ahead is a lot of hard work. Granted bussing tables is hard work and the truth is he will need some other source of income to get ahead. It sucks, but it has for billions of us. Work sucks, thats why they pay you to do it.
Reread what was said and don't take umbridge as I'm pretty sure no insult was intended, or at least thats not how I read it. Just differing points of view.
Guys,
petro has the sense of this, I think. Good discussion.
JohnnyQ,
I do not think a personal insult was made, but the tone of the discussion has definitely gotten personal. I suggest you let it go as a different point of view.
AoC,
You have made your point, and your last couple responses to JohnnyQ verge on trolling. Please move on.
Thank you all.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI like a good burger, but not fast food. ..... It's a far cry from in and out (which has to be the most overrated place in the world -- it is just regular fast food; nothing special at all)
It's even less than that IMO, I-n-O is like a regular McDonald's burger with lettuce and tomato.
We just got Five Guys out here in Western Washington, so I tried it two weeks ago. Again, nothing special. The meat was so much tougher than the rest of it that the store-bought sesame seed bun fell apart on my first bite. Most burger place have access to the same ingredients like iceburg lettuce, tomato, pickles, onions, mayo, ketchup, etc, that the best way to elevate their menu above the plain vanilla burgers is with the bun and the meat. If they have store-bought sesame seed buns and pure beef meat like 5 Guys or I-n-O, then they're nothing special. Boring. How about using ciabatta rolls? Or potato bun, brioche, sourdough...anything but sesame seed. How about experimenting with veal, pork, shortribs in the meat mix? Invent your own spreads instead of French's mustard or Hellman's mayo?
Right now, Wendy's has a Steakhouse burger with some kind of horseradishy, garlicky peppery sauce on it with I thought was pretty good for a fast food choice for only $1.49.
But really, for fast food burgers for $7, you can't beat Fuddruckers, with their house-made bun, open-flame-broiled patty and buffet-style condiment/veggie table to make that meal exactly what you want it to be.
McDonald's new Bacon Clubhouse Burger is superb. Definitely a "sometimes" food though.Quote: zippyboyIt's even less than that IMO, I-n-O is like a regular McDonald's burger with lettuce and tomato.
