Riding my A**/Stupid Law
In Virginia, they have been trying to get a law passed that states that you can be given a ticket if you are going "too slow" in the left lane. Now, I can see if you are going say 10 under in that lane, sure. But that is not the way similar laws are worded. How can they possibly make a law that says if I am going the speed limit AND I am passing people then I can get a ticket for NOT going OVER the posted maximum.
It really pisses me off when I am even going over the speed limit, say 70 in a 65 and the a**hat behind me wants to run me over even though I am passing people in the middle lane. Screw you buddy.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkit occurred to me that the people that are against you reclining your seat (as is your right by design of the airline using that plane) .
It's your 'right' to crush the knees of the
guy behind to a point where he can't even
get his tray down? I don't think so.
Speed limit 55.
Rightmost land Road Speed is 60
Middle lane Road Speed is 70.
Left lane Road Speed is 77.
You pull from Middle lane to left lane and pass at 72 during a lull in traffic.
All vehicles are speeding. All are driving safely except for you going too slow in the left most lane.
Quote: FleaStiff
All vehicles are speeding. All are driving safely except for you going too slow in the left most lane.
Your concept of what you believe is safe is irrelevant. The point is they would be making a law that is contradictory to another law (speed limits)
Quote: VCUSkyhawkYour concept of what you believe is safe is irrelevant. The point is they would be making a law that is contradictory to another law (speed limits)
I believe some states have laws applying to restricting "the even flow of traffic" IINM?
I was collecting some paper work from a dump truck driver and he told me he had to go 80mph in order to be able to tailgate somebody.
If you need to make a pass, even at the speed limit passing a vehicle going below the limit, pass them and then get out of the way for your own safety and the safety of others--the speeders will be passing you mostly on your left instead of in all of the available lanes. I'm not saying they should be allowed to speed--just let them pose a danger to themselves and not to you!
Quote: VCUSkyhawkIt really pisses me off when I am even going over the speed limit, say 70 in a 65 and the a**hat behind me wants to run me over even though I am passing people in the middle lane. Screw you buddy.
One time I was doing about 130 kph in the Queretaro highway (the limit is 110), and this idiot behind me was flashing his lights and honking the horn.
Quote: BuzzardAt first glance, I thought this thread belonged in DT. Sorry about that. Old habits hard to break.
I don't believe it does need to be moved. I believe the way it was explained was if the off-topic does not involve Politics or Religion then it was OK to be here. If mods feel it doesn't feel free to slap my wrist.
Additional problems are those people who prefer the middle lane. And people who come out of business driveways and insist on swinging into the right lane immediately without using the shoulder to get up to speed (or exit into a business without using the shoulder).
Etc, etc, etc.
No problem with the thread. REALLY
Quote: RonCIt is just nuts to be going slow in the left lane, whether there is a law against it or not. Why get in the way of traffic and risk your life just to make the point that you want to go the speed limit? Let the police take care of slowing people down.
If you need to make a pass, even at the speed limit passing a vehicle going below the limit, pass them and then get out of the way for your own safety and the safety of others--the speeders will be passing you mostly on your left instead of in all of the available lanes. I'm not saying they should be allowed to speed--just let them pose a danger to themselves and not to you!
Driving in the left lane can get you a ticket in my state. Signs on the highways say that the left lane is for passing only and they enforce it.
Quote: 1BBDriving in the left lane can get you a ticket in my state. Signs on the highways say that the left lane is for passing only and they enforce it.
But my point is, lets say there is a steady stream of traffic in say a two lane highway. The right lane is going a continuous 65 and I am passing them steadily in the left going 70 or just slightly over. I am using the lane for it's intended purpose. Why should I be forced to move into the right lane and go slower because the guy behind me wants to do say 80 or 85.
It isn't a rostrum to announce your issues of feeling smugly complacent.
If the limit is 65 mph and you are doing 75 or 80 in the left lane, blithely on cruise control feeling you are king / queen of the world and someone comes up from behind you, fast, lights or turn signal flashing: MOVE THE HELL OVER!
Otherwise you are acting as a rude, rolling self-absorbed roadblock.
It's that simple; the Europeans have figured it out, why can't drivers on the other side of the pond?
Quote: MrVThe left lane is for passing slower vehicles.
If the limit is 65 mph and you are doing 75 or 80 in the left lane, blithely on cruise control feeling you are king / queen of the world and someone comes up from behind you, fast, lights or turn signal flashing: MOVE THE HELL OVER!
I think not. I think I shall pass people in the left lane as I see fit. I will use it for it's intended purpose (which is not some lane so you can pretend that you are an indy car driver) and pass people at a speed that I deem safe.
I will also laugh at the thought of you turning red faced behind me because you can not zoom 100 mph and endanger people's lives.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkYour concept of what you believe is safe is irrelevant. The point is they would be making a law that is contradictory to another law (speed limits)
California has one of these - if you are going the speed limit, and you're at the front of a line of six or more cars, you are expected to move to the right and let them pass, even if it means pulling over to the side of the road.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkI think not. I think I shall pass people in the left lane as I see fit. I will use it for it's intended purpose (which is not some lane so you can pretend that you are an indy car driver) and pass people at a speed that I deem safe.
I will also laugh at the thought of you turning red faced behind me because you can not zoom 100 mph and endanger people's lives.
Really?
Tell me how that works out when your conduct so infuriates the meth-crazed driver behind you that he either rams your vehicle or shoots you, overcome with road rage.
Quote: MrVReally?
Tell me how that works out when your conduct so infuriates the meth-crazed driver behind you that he either rams your vehicle or shoots you, overcome with road rage.
Yes, I always live my life on the possibilities of some meth-head doing meth-head things.
Quote: Boney526Growing up in NJ there's an extremely aggressive driving culture, but FWIW, I agree with you. If someone is passing at 70-75, and I wanna go 80 I"m not going to ride their tail, I'm gonna wait for them to pass.
That assumes the driver in front of you is actually passing, and demonstrating progress in that regard.
What about the clods that simply match speed with the driver to their right, just daring people to challenge them?
Or pass sooooo slllloowwwwlly that there is little perception of progress in that regard?
No, guys like that are f(&%ing with you, and deserve to be f%&*ed with in return.
If you are in the left lane, passing people, and someone comes up behind you, just move over to the right, let them pass, get back into the left lane, and continue to pass people yourself.
How much of an inconvinence to you is it to show a little courtesy?
Quote: Dalex64Self-riteous vigillantes
To use the lane as intended, passing people that is, makes one "self-righteous"?
Quote: Dalex64are making the roads less safe for everybody.
I would argue the guy riding my A** when I am already passing people, the guy who wants to go 80+ MPH is the one making the road less safe.
Quote: Dalex64How much of an inconvinence to you is it to show a little courtesy?
Courtesy? So, you are telling me that I going either at or slightly above the speed limit, should be forced to slow down to the crawling traffic beside me because the manic behind me wants to mow me down?
Again, I think not.
Quote: Dalex64Self-riteous vigillantes are making the roads less safe for everybody.
If you are in the left lane, passing people, and someone comes up behind you, just move over to the right, let them pass, get back into the left lane, and continue to pass people yourself.
How much of an inconvinence to you is it to show a little courtesy?
An added bonus to that is you can now follow the faster car, at a safe distance, knowing that if there is a cop around the corner he will probably be the one stopped. Radar detectors work but instant on laser can still get you.
Quote: 1BBRadar detectors work but instant on laser can still get you.
In the good old dominion state you can't even use a radar detector.
Quote: Dalex64Self-riteous vigillantes are making the roads less safe for everybody.
If you are in the left lane, passing people, and someone comes up behind you, just move over to the right, let them pass, get back into the left lane, and continue to pass people yourself.
How much of an inconvinence to you is it to show a little courtesy?
If the right lane won't let you in because it's filled with cars (and trucks) going 20 MPH slower than the limit, moving over to pass is not always an option.
Now tailgating and flashing high beams, I'll sometimes just move the mirror so I can't see them. Really depends on my mood and it's not really my responsibility to be coerced at their will just so they can go 90. Let them be inconvenienced if they're so inclined.
Quote: onenickelmiracleNobody gets pulled over being in the left lane
It is a law in some states--in Texas, it is the law:
"Watch for signs on Texas multi-lane highways that read "Left Lane For Passing Only." These signs let you know that the left lane on a divided highway is not a "fast" lane; it is a passing lane.
After you pass someone, move into the right lane once you've safely cleared the vehicle. Impeding the flow of traffic by continuing to drive in the left lane is punishable by a fine of up to $200."
http://www.txdot.gov/driver/share-road/highway-driving.html
Quote: onenickelmiracle...and nobody but the older people believes it's a passing lane.
It is a lane for faster traffic. Pretty much everyone "knows" that; some think they don't need to worry about such trivial things...that they deserve that lane at whatever speed they feel like traveling; thus making it less safe for everyone. Yes, they who will go around you any which way are the "bad people" but they won't just kill other "bad people"; they will kill others with their unsafe driving.
Quote: onenickelmiracleThe right lane often has too many pot holes and usually I want nothing to do with it if the road has been proven bumpy.
Okay, so use the left lane when there is no one passing, then move over, cede the lane for a moment, and get back in the left lane. Pretty easy stuff.
Quote: onenickelmiracleNow tailgating and flashing high beams, I'll sometimes just move the mirror so I can't see them. Really depends on my mood and it's not really my responsibility to be coerced at their will just so they can go 90. Let them be inconvenienced if they're so inclined.
Why not cede the left lane to them so they don't pass you or others on the right or weave in and out of traffic. Yes, they are idiots in many cases. Why not just let them go...
Driving has a lot of common sense involved. Some people who break laws don't use it, and some who don't break the laws don't use it. Both can be deadly.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkYour concept of what you believe is safe is irrelevant. The point is they would be making a law that is contradictory to another law (speed limits)
This does seem to be your opinion. I wonder how many of those huge multi car pile-ups are caused because of asnine thinking?
What Flea thinks is irrelevant and you are master of the road? You don't even know the rules of the road. Common courtesy is as old as at least the bible.
You admit to speeding [breaking the law] intentionally yet you won't let anyone past you.
Quote: MrV
The left lane is for passing slower vehicles.
If the limit is 65 mph and you are doing 75 or 80 in the left lane, blithely on cruise control feeling you are king / queen of the world and someone comes up from behind you, fast, lights or turn signal flashing: MOVE THE HELL OVER!
I think not. I think I shall pass people in the left lane as I see fit. I will use it for it's intended purpose (which is not some lane so you can pretend that you are an indy car driver) and pass people at a speed that I deem safe.
Would you at least try to consider in that situation, lights flashing and so on that the person behing you is trying to get to a hospital?
You say you are using the road [is it an interstate?] as it was intended. So that means you are hauling interstate commerce, correct? That's what they were built for. Not so you could go around feeling like you are the sole arbiter of what is safe. Have you even read "rules of the road", I doubt it.
I can only hope that you don't drive a boat or fly a plane as well. You sir are an hazard to people who need the same travel corridors as you.
Rules of the road have been around for eons and come from laws of the sea, and of course common courtesy, which apparently in your case isn't common.
We don't need no steenkin courtesy, or badges for that matter.
Left lane is not necessarily for passing only, but it's for the fastest traffic. If you are being passed on the right, you are in the wrong lane, regardless of your speed. I don't think that most states need a special law about this; it's called obstructing traffic. Whether they ticket for this is mostly based on politics and how far the cop is from his quota that month.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkWhile reading some posts from the airline seat thread, it occurred to me that the people that are against you reclining your seat (as is your right by design of the airline using that plane) are a lot like the people who think there should be "slow poke" law in regards to driving in the left lane.
In Virginia, they have been trying to get a law passed that states that you can be given a ticket if you are going "too slow" in the left lane. Now, I can see if you are going say 10 under in that lane, sure. But that is not the way similar laws are worded. How can they possibly make a law that says if I am going the speed limit AND I am passing people then I can get a ticket for NOT going OVER the posted maximum.
It really pisses me off when I am even going over the speed limit, say 70 in a 65 and the a**hat behind me wants to run me over even though I am passing people in the middle lane. Screw you buddy.
I don't know how it works in other States, but in Arizona the posted speed limits are not hard limits. The law says you can get a ticket for not doing speed that is "reasonable and prudent". That can be too slow or too fast based on road conditions, traffic, weather, etc. That's generally why even though the posted speed limit is 55 on the I-17 running through Phoenix, but 60-65 is the normal speed for most drivers and the police don't do anything.
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Quote: wudgedIn the good old dominion state you can't even use a radar detector.
I know. Is it DC as well? Is it true that they have radar detector detectors in the cruisers?
family and he says most cops on the
freeway only write tickets if you're
going 10 MPH over the limit. If you're
13 MPH over, they write the ticket for
10 over. etc. I always set the cruise at
78 in MI and have never been pulled
over.
Quote: onenickelmiracleTraffic cannot be obligated to go faster than the maximum allowable speed beyond the speed limit, so there cannot be an obligation to be inconvenienced. I don't think the right lane is safe and hundreds of thousands of miles later no ticket for it. There is no telling what the idiots behind you may do, so if the law says you must place yourself in danger immediately, I will take my chances. Some blond bimbo isn't telling me how to drive ever. It all depends on my mood and traffic conditions.
The law is not that you have to go faster than the speed limit, just that if you are not, and the rest of traffic is, then you can't drive in the left lane.
Why do you want to drive in the left lane anyway? Isn't it just easier to pick the lane where traffic is going at the same speed as you are? Sometimes I don't want to drive fast so I just move over to the right.
Quote: EvenBobMy brother in law has a state cop in his
family and he says most cops on the
freeway only write tickets if you're
going 10 MPH over the limit. If you're
13 MPH over, they write the ticket for
10 over. etc. I always set the cruise at
78 in MI and have never been pulled
over.
This is different in every state. I know that in some states they will pull you over for 3mph over; in others they will not bat an eye if you are 15 over.
It also depends on whether they feel like pulling you over. I've gone by cops going faster than the speed of traffic, fast enough for a well-deserved ticket, and not gotten pulled over. I've also gotten pulled over in very borderline situations.
Why do I want to be in the left lane? Smoothness of the road, lack of semi trucks, less cars directly in front of me, and less chance of accidentally leaving the highway in an exit lane. Setting cruise and steering is much easier.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThe law is not that you have to go faster than the speed limit, just that if you are not, and the rest of traffic is, then you can't drive in the left lane.
Why do you want to drive in the left lane anyway? Isn't it just easier to pick the lane where traffic is going at the same speed as you are? Sometimes I don't want to drive fast so I just move over to the right.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWhy do I want to be in the left lane? Smoothness of the road, lack of semi trucks, less cars directly in front of me, and less chance of accidentally leaving the highway in an exit lane. Setting cruise and steering is much easier.
Have you ever accidently left the highway from a center lane?
ZCore13
Usually where I drive there are two lanes, but the center lane will eventually become the right lane. The left lane never.Quote: Zcore13Have you ever accidently left the highway from a center lane?
ZCore13
Quote: 1BBI know. Is it DC as well? Is it true that they have radar detector detectors in the cruisers?
Not sure, but DC has speed cameras all over the place so on the rare occasion I wander into the city I make sure not to go over 25 unless I see a sign specifically stating there is a higher limit.
Quote: VCUSkyhawkWhile reading some posts from the airline seat thread, it occurred to me that the people that are against you reclining your seat (as is your right by design of the airline using that plane) are a lot like the people who think there should be "slow poke" law in regards to driving in the left lane.
In Virginia, they have been trying to get a law passed that states that you can be given a ticket if you are going "too slow" in the left lane. Now, I can see if you are going say 10 under in that lane, sure. But that is not the way similar laws are worded. How can they possibly make a law that says if I am going the speed limit AND I am passing people then I can get a ticket for NOT going OVER the posted maximum.
It really pisses me off when I am even going over the speed limit, say 70 in a 65 and the a**hat behind me wants to run me over even though I am passing people in the middle lane. Screw you buddy.
Was that you a couple of days ago? Get out of my frickin' lane. It's a passing lane. Pass and get out of my lane, I got places to go.
But seriously, the key to good traffic is PACE. If there are a line of cars behind you because you're doing 70 and the line of cars next to you that you are passing are doing 68, do us all a favor. Speed up to 75 which is a reasonable speed in the fast lane (you will not be ticketed), do your passing, and move over. Seriously, the purpose of freeways is not to impede traffic. Some cars like to go 75-80mph which will not get you a ticket in most cases in a 65mph zone, and they should be allowed to do so. If you're going to pass, get it over with, especially if there are cars behind you waiting.
If you are in the left lane and pick up your speed above the speed limit in order to complete a pass in a timely fashion, then change to the right lane and slow down, you will NEVER be ticketed. NEVER.
Not naming names, but in general, I HATE left lane louies. Move to the right when there's no one beside you. It's not a lot to ask, and it's a hell of a lot safer than forcing people to pass you on the right. I wish they would ticket for this.
What I do is keep both hands on the wheel and look ahead while the car goes forward. I don't try steering the car in front of me or let the person behind me drive my car. Worry about how you drive and one steering wheel per driver's license.
Quote: NareedOne time I was doing about 130 kph in the Queretaro highway (the limit is 110), and this idiot behind me was flashing his lights and honking the horn.
Fly to Frankfurt, take the Autobahn to Munchen, you'll have a lifetime of stories much better than this.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWhat I do is keep both hands on the wheel and look ahead while the car goes forward. I don't try steering the car in front of me or let the person behind me drive my car. Worry about how you drive and one steering wheel per driver's license.
Really? You don't look all around for any potential danger? Danger can come from any direction at any time. Driving focusing on only what is in front of you (including not keeping your eyes moving from just in front of you to what is further ahead) is not driving safely.
I understand that changing lanes can be dangerous, but it can be done safely in most instances by being aware of what is going on around you, checking and double checking, and then simply moving over and letting traffic flow by. Let the police worry about who should get a ticket. If it isn't safe for you to change lanes, wait until it is.
Your driving style is illegal in Texas and some other states. It is discourteous in every state. It also contributes to making the roads less safe. That's right...your "mine, mine, mine" attitude makes the roads less safe.
Quote: onenickelmiracleWhy do I want to be in the left lane? Smoothness of the road, lack of semi trucks, less cars directly in front of me, and less chance of accidentally leaving the highway in an exit lane. Setting cruise and steering is much easier.
Have you considered paying attention while driving?
Quote: onenickelmiracleChanging lanes is when danger can happen.
This is EXACTLY why you are such a bad and dangerous driver. If your driving style causes people to go around you, you are the most dangerous car on the road, by far.
The whole reason that you are supposed to pick the correct lane for your speed is that it results in far fewer lane changes (it also reduces traffic congestion -- someone driving too slow for their lane tends to cause congestion behind them in a V-shaped pattern. If you are driving too slow in the left lane, there will be congestion diagonally back from your car)
