Insanity at Foxwoods
Quote: Deck007Again the lawyer and I.
You left the hotel without paying or checking out. Nothing here is above-board.
In spite of the host offering 1 night comp you just walk away. In the hospitality business this is a Mortal Sin, for lack of a better word.
I had been there the one night already. I informed the host I was going to check out and he informed me to not worry, he would check out for me and ensure the night I had stayed was comped.
Deck007...do you have a personal stake on the Foxwoods resort? In what universe did I "cheat"?
Quote: aceofspadesQualification can mean anything. The host asked my averages AFTER I was already booked for the weekend and tournament.
That is what I said before "qualification can mean anything".
It is incumbent on you to find out what this mean and what you are getting into.
When a client comes to you with such a document this is what you would advice him to do.
Quote: Deck007That is what I said before "qualification can mean anything".
It is incumbent on you to find out what this mean and what you are getting into.
When a client comes to you with such a document this is what you would advice him to do.
The party drafting the agreement bears the burden of having any vagueness construed against them
Quote: aceofspadesThe party drafting the agreement bears the burden of having any vagueness construed against them
That is understood.
Just answer my question "When a client comes to you with such a document this is what you would advice him to do."
Quote: aceofspadesI had been there the one night already. I informed the host I was going to check out and he informed me to not worry, he would check out for me and ensure the night I had stayed was comped.
Deck007...do you have a personal stake on the Foxwoods resort? In what universe did I "cheat"?
Insipite of the host offer you just walk away. Walla!
No I am on the opposite side of the world and have heard of Foxwood and never been to Foxword.
Cheating as you know is a criminal offence and I said this may be construe in the widest sense that it is cheating. In LV the casinos may get the police to go after you.
Quote: Deck007That is understood.
Just answer my question "When a client comes to you with such a document this is what you would advice him to do."
Really...it's understood...? You knew that age old rule of contract construction?
Do you mean "advise"...?
Quote: Deck007Insipite of the host offer you just walk away. Walla!
No I am on the opposite side of the world and have heard of Foxwood and never been to Foxword.
Cheating as you know is a criminal offence and I said this may be construe in the widest sense that it is cheating. In LV the casinos may get the police to go after you.
Your reading comprehension is amazing -- you are absolutely correct on all counts. As you say, "Walla!"
Any ambiguity in contract shall be interpreted against the pary that drafted the contract.
Quote: Deck007Dont try and pull some legal lingo on me,
Any ambiguity in contract shall be interpreted against the pary that drafted the contract.
Deck007,
You have made your point in this argument several times, are flooding this thread with disparaging comments to Ace, and are making personal accusations that have no foundation. Please consider this a warning; any further comments of this type will be construed as trolling, which is against the forum rules. Thank you.
Quote: beachbumbabsDeck007,
You have made your point in this argument several times, are flooding this thread with disparaging comments to Ace, and are making personal accusations that have no foundation. Please consider this a warning; any further comments of this type will be construed as trolling, which is against the forum rules. Thank you.
This is bizzare.
Has your friendship with Ace influence your judgement here.
"flooding this thread with disparaging comments to Ace, and are making personal accusations that have no foundation"
Ace, do you feel yourself the above statement is a true and correct statement. I need you to clarify this matter.
I dont want to get the Wizard involved but maybe I would do a poll here to see what you just wrote make any sense.
Quote: Deck007This is bizzare.
Has your friendship with Ace influence your judgement here.
"flooding this thread with disparaging comments to Ace, and are making personal accusations that have no foundation"
Ace, do you feel yourself the above statement is a true and correct statement. I need you to clarify this matter.
I dont want to get the Wizard involved but maybe I would do a poll here to see what you just wrote make any sense.
You seem to like explaining things to others, so I will explain it to you. Although when I presented the argument for you earlier, you blew me off, so this may be a wasted effort.
You've posted 13 times in this thread. Among those, you said (in bold, mostly in the last day, among 6 posts):
When the host found out that Ace is not going to honour the agreement... Not accurate (twists what Ace said in several ways) and implies a lack of integrity on Ace.
In leaving the hotel without paying or checking out, this borders on a criminal case for cheating. He is lucky it is not in LV as the police there tend to side with the establishment. Not accurate (the room was comped, the host said he would do the checkout) and implies Ace is a cheater.
...However if you have no record, the Comps come with conditions which you have agreed to but fail to deliver. That is a Breach of Contract or in the worst senerio Cheating. Not true, misrepresents the facts, and you're claiming Ace breached a contract (he didn't) and calling him a cheater again.
You left the hotel without paying or checking out. Nothing here is above-board. see above why that happened. Calling Ace's integrity into question again.
In spite of the host offering 1 night comp you just walk away. In the hospitality business this is a Mortal Sin, for lack of a better word. Inaccurate again, and calling his integrity out again.
That is understood. Just answer my question "When a client comes to you with such a document this is what you would advice him to do." badgering/trolling.
Cheating as you know is a criminal offence and I said this may be construe in the widest sense that it is cheating. In LV the casinos may get the police to go after you. Calling Ace a cheater yet again, suggesting he's a criminal.
Dont try and pull some legal lingo on me, Any ambiguity in contract shall be interpreted against the pary that drafted the contract. Hostile and derogatory.
According to your account the host made a concession to you by reducing your hours of play and only kick you out of the hotel when you show no sign of meeting this lower target. Completely inaccurate retelling of what he actually said. The host made no such concession, did not kick him out of the hotel.
Insipite of the host offer you just walk away. Walla! Inaccurate and sarcastic.
You say you live "across the world" from here. So English may not be your first language, which is the only reason I haven't already suspended you. Ace himself has not complained about your attacks, but others have, which is why I warned you, and why I'm trying to explain how you've gone from a discussion to being offensive with your point of view. You're welcome to complain to the Wizard or whatever, but the warning stands.
They have the perfect blackjack game for him and his level of play is usually well rewarded. The ride will not always take 5 hours. I promise.
Wiz or Mission on vacation these days?
Quote: pokerfaceWhy Deck007's name still not in red?
Wiz or Mission on vacation these days?
It looks like they're waiting to get him on Forum Rule 12, a rule that seems vague at best and open to any interpretation that may fit a certain situation. Other than Deck007 getting several facts wrong, I was enjoying the back and forth between the two guys. I hope he doesn't get suspended.
Ace is more than capable of holding his own against all comers. He doesn't need any help and he'll let us know when he's had enough. Let's see how it plays out.
Quote: pokerfaceWhy Deck007's name still not in red?
Wiz or Mission on vacation these days?
This may be a language or cultural difficulty. I'm offering Deck a chance to fix the problem. We'll see what he does.
Quote: 1BBWhat concerns me is airing this on the internet before contacting Foxwoods directly. They monitor this site and no doubt are following this thread. I hope it doesn't taint any future relationship that Ace may want to pursue with them.
They have the perfect blackjack game for him and his level of play is usually well rewarded. The ride will not always take 5 hours. I promise.
I have no intention of going back there - I am taking what happened with the tournament and my car as a sign that being a Foxwoods player was not "meant to be"
Quote: Deck007This is bizzare.
Has your friendship with Ace influence your judgement here.
"flooding this thread with disparaging comments to Ace, and are making personal accusations that have no foundation"
Ace, do you feel yourself the above statement is a true and correct statement. I need you to clarify this matter.
I dont want to get the Wizard involved but maybe I would do a poll here to see what you just wrote make any sense.
I have not complained. I find your arguments specious, at best.
As far as the entire conversation between deck and Ace I dont know what to say. However I don't understand why you added this in the category of Hostile and derogatory.Quote: beachbumbabs
Dont try and pull some legal lingo on me, Any ambiguity in contract shall be interpreted against the pary that drafted the contract. Hostile and derogatory.
Since the casino is the one who would of drafted the contract, wouldn't this go in favor of Ace?
Quote: AxelWolfAs far as the entire conversation between deck and Ace I dont know what to say. However I don't understand why you added this in the category of Hostile and derogatory.Quote: beachbumbabs
Dont try and pull some legal lingo on me, Any ambiguity in contract shall be interpreted against the pary that drafted the contract. Hostile and derogatory.
Since the casino is the one who would of drafted the contract, wouldn't this go in favor of Ace?
Axel - I was the one who pointed out the rules of contractual ambiguity - Deck cited it back to me (which I believe he should have put into quotes). My impression was that he was attempting to be sarcastic, as such:
Dont try and pull some legal lingo on me, "Any ambiguity in contract shall be interpreted against the pary that drafted the contract." (I read this as a throw-away, flippant recitation of my statement) But, I did not report any of this, as BBB stated, others reported it.
Quote: BozAce, I agree with you in not giving them a second chance. But with Revel on the brink you are possibly going to have to find a new place to play. Have you ever visited Sands PA? It is not too far for you and is one of the few PA casinos with a hotel and has better rules than AC.
Is the hotel on par with Revel? I'd need a host there.
Quote: aceofspadesIs the hotel on par with Revel? I'd need a host there.
The Revel hotel is way above par relative to Sands, PA. Sands, PA is GREAT for the table games especially for bj and bac. Only issue you should be careful about is security. That is the only casino where I have to get security involved. And if you are able to handle all that smoke! ARGH.
With your level of play Sands, PA may able to accommodate you since they are hungry for active action.
The flip side is that the favorable blackjack rules are state law and will not be changing soon.
Quote: DMSCRThe Revel hotel is way above par relative to Sands, PA. Sands, PA is GREAT for the table games especially for bj and bac. Only issue you should be careful about is security. That is the only casino where I have to get security involved. And if you are able to handle all that smoke! ARGH.
With your level of play Sands, PA may able to accommodate you since they are hungry for active action.
Can you enlighten us on the security issue...?
Sands, PA has great playing conditions but I don't feel safe there.
Quote: DMSCRI was playing bac and these four dudes came over to start trouble in hoping to steal my chips. Really?!?!?! First time ever at a casino. Dealers and supervisors immediately had to contact security. Five casino employees (three dealers and two supervisors) in total. Not one but five! Don't know if you ever ventured there but there is a lot of security at that casino. The officers have to walk in pairs.
Sands, PA has great playing conditions but I don't feel safe there.
I suppose this could happen anywhere but security in a casino for the guests should be of paramount importance.
Security is very tight at Sands and the most I have ever seen at a casino which is not surprising. At other casinos I went to security is very subtle yet in PA that is not so. Just too bad really since I enjoy the playing conditions there and the abundance of tables that are open compared to what I find in AC.
Hopefully when you make your trip there you will find things more pleasant and improved. Please let us know how that went. I have not been back there for three years since that incident.
Like others have posted, the BJ rules are so much better than AC and with decent play like yours, you will get rooms and food comps. It is still a casino in PA and there isnt much to do other than gamble, drink and eat with the occasional weekend concert.
As for getting a host, just be careful in giving them expectations in play :)
I have not visited Mt Airy, but they also have a hotel and may even be a little closer to you. Anyone have any experiences there?
Obviously, the host thought he was grabbing a good gambler, but for whatever reason AOS appeared to be a dead beat even for the short time he was their. Certainly, they expected some type of decent action, and not sure why a man with AOS means wouldn't have demonstrated that type of action. They must have figured they found him on the tail spin fast to respond to freebies.
Fourteen pages so far on this ridiculous chain of events. Does anyone really care? Will anyone not go to Foxwoods now because AOS didn't get a free entry into a bj tourney he thought his reputation from who knows where entitled him to?
Wouldn't casinos be aware of successful AP BlackJack players and not be interested in retaining them as customers? Why would they be pursuing a successful card counter?
Quote: Mosca
The flip side is that the favorable blackjack rules are state law and will not be changing soon.
You sure about this, Mosca? I know that several Pa casinos have petitioned the state to allow the casino to set blackjack rules. Admittedly, I don't follow Pa too closely these days. Did the state definitively rule on this? And if so, I don't think that is any guarantee that they still won't buckle in the future, as pressure mounts.
As for the rest of the thread....boy, ACE's threads seem to create a lot of noise. Lol. I've said my piece. Clearly a miscommunication. I think both parties were expecting more from the other than what they got. I do think it was handled pretty unprofessionally by the Foxwood host. But now, it has been handled pretty unprofessionally by AoS as well. Rather than contact someone higher up at Foxwood that may have been able to do something about the situation, he chose to just make a 14 page and growing, bi*chfest on a message board. Again I say, I think there is more than enough blame to go around. Both sides could have/should have handled things better.
Quote: 4ofaKindI understand how AOS believes he was mislead into thinking he was invited to a free-roll bj tournament.
Obviously, the host thought he was grabbing a good gambler, but for whatever reason AOS appeared to be a dead beat even for the short time he was their. Certainly, they expected some type of decent action, and not sure why a man with AOS means wouldn't have demonstrated that type of action. They must have figured they found him on the tail spin fast to respond to freebies.
Fourteen pages so far on this ridiculous chain of events. Does anyone really care? Will anyone not go to Foxwoods now because AOS didn't get a free entry into a bj tourney he thought his reputation from who knows where entitled him to?
Wouldn't casinos be aware of successful AP BlackJack players and not be interested in retaining them as customers? Why would they be pursuing a successful card counter?
To clear some misconceptions up:
I did not feel entitled;
I was on property (including the time discussion this matter with host and the hour it took me to deal with the valet issue) for less than 16 hours (including meals and sleeping)...clearly they did not give me ample time to even play to close to my average;
The tournament was to be Saturday at 8:30pm;
I was informed at 10:30am that I would "have to" play 4 ½ more hours and attain a 200 average bet to play in the tournament;
I likely would have played that much anyway but now being I told I "had to" made me feel as if, come 7pm, another text might be forthcoming stating: "Ace - we see you played 6 hours at 200min but there is such an overwhelming demand for a seat at this tournament that we are going to need you to play up until 8pm and get that average up to 300"--it all becomes a moving target that I refused to shoot at
Quote: 4ofaKindI understand how AOS believes he was mislead into thinking he was invited to a free-roll bj tournament.
Obviously, the host thought he was grabbing a good gambler, but for whatever reason AOS appeared to be a dead beat even for the short time he was their. Certainly, they expected some type of decent action, and not sure why a man with AOS means wouldn't have demonstrated that type of action. They must have figured they found him on the tail spin fast to respond to freebies.
Fourteen pages so far on this ridiculous chain of events. Does anyone really care? Will anyone not go to Foxwoods now because AOS didn't get a free entry into a bj tourney he thought his reputation from who knows where entitled him to?
Wouldn't casinos be aware of successful AP BlackJack players and not be interested in retaining them as customers? Why would they be pursuing a successful card counter?
To answer your last two questions, casinos want nothing to do with winners. That's not to say that some don't fall through the cracks. Define successful. I know break even players who get no offers.
Depends on where you're coming from.Quote: strictlyAPmt airy is far from those places- closer would be foxwoods at pocono downs again still pretty far...
And it's Mohegan Sun at Pocono Downs, not Foxwoods.
Quote: 1BBDefine successful.
A gambler that losses his money the slowest way possible, giving him extra time to play and pray for all the stars to line up.
Quote: 1BBI know break even players who get no offers.
I know a break even professional player who LIVES of his offers. VERY high end. He plays break even, like a 1-2 spread in Blackjack at the best, high end games. His profit comes from all his offers including jewelry and other high end gifts which he will sell on ebay.
Quote: kewljHis profit comes from all his offers including jewelry and other high end gifts which he will sell on ebay.
Well that keeps the Rolex store by the high limit area and that Apple store in the MGM Grand Foxwoods open. Back when things were good for Foxwoods points to dollar was 1:1. I picked up a few iPod touches because of that. A few folks I heard were able to use their points to obtain Rolexes and sell them. Only bad part about using points to purchase Apple products is you have to buy their warranty.
every increment of 250 bet per two hours got you a 500 cetrificate at the jewelry store outside in their shopping area
ie if you bet 2k average per hand you would get 4000 in certificates- one of my best plays ever playing pai gow super slow with a full table we ended up with almost 60k in certificates ( which after buying one watch we were able to negotiate a cash buyout directly with the jewelry store in exchange for the certificates
Quote: strictlyAPbest promotion ever for watches was at hard rock in fort lauderdale -
every increment of 250 bet per two hours got you a 500 cetrificate at the jewelry store outside in their shopping area
ie if you bet 2k average per hand you would get 4000 in certificates- one of my best plays ever playing pai gow super slow with a full table we ended up with almost 60k in certificates ( which after buying one watch we were able to negotiate a cash buyout directly with the jewelry store in exchange for the certificates
Holy cow!! How long did that last? Do you mind telling us at what rate they bought the certificates? I assume they were marking items up at least 50%.
Quote: aceofspadesI have not complained. I find your arguments specious, at best.
Ace has spoken and this is good enough for me.
"beachbumbabs" your freindship with Ace has inflence your judgement here. Shame on you.
I will reply to your very lenghty postings at a later date as I am busy with some work now.
Quote: Deck007Ace has spoken and this is good enough for me.
"beachbumbabs" your freindship with Ace has inflence your judgement here. Shame on you.
I will reply to your lenghty postings at a later date as I am busy with some work now.
I think you misunderstand Deck
Whether or not I complained does not take away from your violations (others have complained and a moderator had already spoken). Whether or not I personally complained is irrelevant and I think calling out BBB for speaking out against you merely because she is my "friend" calls the ethics of this entire forum into question, which is not right.
I presume you are not going to head back to Foxwoods? I haven't been there for three years since Scott Butera took the helm in trying to revive the place and keep the lights on. Since he became CEO Foxwoods has been nothing but a one big Scrooge McDuck. LOL. Honestly I am not a big fan of the casinos in the Eastern seaboard. I may play at the Borgata maybe two or three times a year since they comp my rooms and sometimes my meals there. Most of my plays are in Vegas since the playing conditions are much more favorable. I may be more active in the North East again if and when Wynn gets that license to build in Everett. Really hopes he wins instead of Mohegan.
Quote: DMSCRace,
I presume you are not going to head back to Foxwoods? I haven't been there for three years since Scott Butera took the helm in trying to revive the place and keep the lights on. Since he became CEO Foxwoods has been nothing but a one big Scrooge McDuck. LOL. Honestly I am not a big fan of the casinos in the Eastern seaboard. I may play at the Borgata maybe two or three times a year since they comp my rooms and sometimes my meals there. Most of my plays are in Vegas since the playing conditions are much more favorable. I may be more active in the North East again if and when Wynn gets that license to build in Everett. Really hopes he wins instead of Mohegan.
Correct - no Foxwoods for me...additionally, about ten friends who are gamblers plus a few family members, have all sworn off Foxwoods in a show of solidarity!!!
Quote: aceofspadesCorrect - no Foxwoods for me...additional, about ten friends who are gamblers plus a few family members, have all sworn off Foxwoods in a show of solidarity!!!
From what I gather from your postings you’re about 40 years old, a lawyer, live on the east coast, and a BJ card counting expert.
I find it hard to believe that you actually made this childish post above. Ten gambling friends and family members swore Foxwoods off because you didn’t get into a free-roll. Do you really think the casino (approx. 3 billion dollars in debt) would even notice?
I would think that a card counter wouldn’t be so quick to burn up casino locations that still aren’t aware of their card counting talents since they obviously still welcome you.
Why not teach them a lesson at the tables until they finally tap you on the shoulder and ask you to leave?
You would think a lawyer of all people would have been trained to sit back and think things out before making a fool of themselves with their first thoughts that came to mind.
Quote: mickeycrimmI would have taken the same attitude as Ace. No one is going to dictate to me what my betting level is.
And not only that. I would have demanded a personal meeting with that slot host. Then slapped the hell out of the ignorant some of a bitch.
