Downswings
I agree. I'm not saying record keeping is a bad thing, it should be done as much and accurate as possible. I am the one who told DJ to get that APP. I have 4 separate apps on my phone and I still cant find the perfect one.Quote: mcallister3200I think for players who play almost exclusively table games it is more important to keep very detailed records, as they are more likely to adjust their unit size or spread to maintain the same level of risk as they win or amass a loss, and to see how close you are to expectation over a long period of time for a given game. If you have a lot of different plays in small doses, or play primarily machines, probably less important, as your bet size is usually determined by the machine, or less flexibility in bet sizing with vp. Of course one must still play with a reasonable risk of ruin, but not as much flexibility in calibrating bet size.
Thank you. Such a nice hope.Quote: djatcI hope nobody ever has to go through a downswing of any sort.
You as a professed professional gambler should know
that you just expressed a FALSE hope. Sweet!
The math of gambling
with an edge or
against an edge
says there will be upswings with a prob of X over N trials and
there will be downswings with prob of X over N trials.
You like to make statements, professional ones, against the math?
Looks to me you do. This is great in my opinion
I hope when do lose your bankroll, you can get another easily from asking Mom or Dad for it.
It is what many do in my opinion because many have told me this is exactly what they have done.
have fun
Sally
But I have a few words to say.
djatc is good fellow. We know that from quite a few members on the forum, pretty much from any one who knows him.
I completely believe that. And I also believe, in my opinion, he is a professional gambler. Maybe he is not yet an expert or an advanced professional gambler.
He just wants to vent his frustration here. That's perfectly fine. In fact I agree with AxelWolf, that is a good thing. The otherwise is a dangerous sign.
And I also want to give my full support to djatc. Don't give up. keep going, and keep posting here.
I also want to say that, in my opinion, Sally and Buzz didn't mean to hurt him or hate him. Their words may sound too harsh, but they just wanted to tell him one thing,
one very important thing that djatc might not know yet: losing several weeks in a row, losing $6000 is nothing. Losing much more than that is also nothing. Losing your entire bankroll is also nothing. In fact, it is one of the steps you must go through if you want to be a advanced (or real) professional gambler.
Many years later, when you look back, you would laugh at yourself: "Ha, I was really naive then, I was so frustrated after I lost $6000. Now I can lose $60000 without blinking my eyes".
Downswing is painful, but it is part of the game.
You want to know how I got my original $500,00 gambling bankroll?Quote: AxelWolfJust out of curiosity what kind of AP do you play.
I was only 23
and you want to know how large it is now?
much larger
and how I increase it more than I decrease it?
only my close friends know (that includes my husband)
Do I play -EV games?
I like to go and watch movies after a nice dinner at a movie theater.
Sally
Sally I'm still confused are you an AP?Quote: mustangsallyThank you. Such a nice hope.
You as a professed professional gambler should know
that you just expressed a FALSE hope. Sweet!
The math of gambling
with an edge or
against an edge
says there will be upswings with a prob of X over N trials and
there will be downswings with prob of X over N trials.
You like to make statements, professional ones, against the math?
Looks to me you do. This is great in my opinion
I hope when do lose your bankroll, you can get another easily from asking Mom or Dad for it.
It is what many do in my opinion because many have told me this is exactly what they have done.
have fun
Sally
I would like to point out. it may not be faults hope, he can hope to never have one. It is rare, but there are AP's that DON'T have down swings where they ever lose. Not because they are lucky or on the right side of variance, but because they only play things that are a lock.
The lotteries. Swings of millions don't make sense for anything else.Quote: mustangsallyYou want to know how I got my original $500,00 gambling bankroll?
I was only 23
and you want to know how large it is now?
much larger
and how I increase it more than I decrease it?
only my close friends know (that includes my husband)
Do I play -EV games?
I like to go and watch movies after a nice dinner at a movie theater.
Sally
Quote: mustangsally
and how I increase it more than I decrease it?
Sally
You are on Ahigh's dice control team? :)
Keep your head up, dj.
Edit: just my opinion
Sorry I didn't see this when I asked again. I asked if you are an AP, not if you had a gambling bankroll (My Mom has a gambling bankroll and she is not an AP). I am not asking exact details, im just curious what games you play and if when you play them you have an advantage and make significant money doing it.Quote: mustangsallyYou want to know how I got my original $500,00 gambling bankroll?
I was only 23
and you want to know how large it is now?
much larger
and how I increase it more than I decrease it?
only my close friends know (that includes my husband)
Do I play -EV games?
I like to go and watch movies after a nice dinner at a movie theater.
Sally
Do you play good BJ, good VP, Poker, or anything like this that has a decent edge.
Did you earn you BR from gambling?
When I say AP i mean someone who plays a significant amount of time and earns money doing it. I don't consider someone who plays just the LDW the D an AP. I don't consider someone who come to Vegas and counts cards once in a blue moon a AP.
I think you know what im getting at.
Quote: RogerKintYou are on Ahigh's dice control team? :)
Keep your head up, dj.
I think she stole my winning baccarat system.
I'm still trying to figure out how much money $500,00 is.
Top 3 guesses:
Is it $500 (that 24% comma-as-a-decimal-place nonsense)?
Is is $50k (comma in wrong place?)
Is it $500k? (comma in right place, but missing a 0?)
We have to remember that this is someone who claims to be up over $1000 lifetime at craps. I think we can rule out AP.
Since you've challenged the validity of my play,, Here's a hint : Do the math correctly and you might figure out how I got there.....That is after you've mathematically solved the mystery of the Great Nonsense Pyramids of Egypt which don't exist either of course!! Haha! You may have to think outside the box a little. HAVE FUN!!Quote: AxiomOfChoiceMoney management is about having win goals and stop losses. Some people think that this allows them to beat game that have a built-in house edge. They are wrong, of course.
According to you (in your first post under your current identity) you are not good at math. So, how the hell would you know if I've done the math correctly?
That's a really good question, and thank you for making it so simple and easy to answer being as bad as I am in math.
By reading your posts, even a moron with an IQ one step above plant life would have little doubt that you could do anything correctly,let alone math. You open your mouth....BOOM!....Nonsense.!! It's that simple.
You are good, however, at comical sarcasm. Is that what has catapulted you to your illustrious career here. Impressive!
Oh my God, somebody save me.....I'm becoming you !
Bad at math, bad at writing... what are you good at? Other than standing on all 16s, I mean?
Quote: cwwbjrSince you've challenged the validity of my play,, Here's a hint : Do the math correctly and you might figure out how I got there.....That is after you've mathematically solved the mystery of the Great Nonsense Pyramids of Egypt which don't exist either of course!! Haha! You may have to think outside the box a little. HAVE FUN!!
According to you (in your first post under your current identity) you are not good at math. So, how the hell would you know if I've done the math correctly?
That's a really good question, and thank you for making it so simple and easy to answer being as bad as I am in math.
By reading your posts, even a moron with an IQ one step above plant life would have little doubt that you could do anything correctly,let alone math. You open your mouth....BOOM!....Nonsense.!! It's that simple.
You are good, however, at comical sarcasm. Is that what has catapulted you to your illustrious career here. Impressive!
Oh my God, somebody save me.....I'm becoming you !
Who is this guy? Stupid enough to be Tournament king and crass enough. Timspeed mama/lover perhaps. Looks like the final nail though and he just knows more than he should know about this forum.
Edit: You found the long run and it took four days to reach it here. I accidentally insulted you because the certainty you're a banned member was too high at this point, so which total loser are you?????? HURRY UP AND LET US KNOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI think that your insults would hit home a lot better if people had any idea what you were talking about.
Bad at math, bad at writing... what are you good at? Other than standing on all 16s, I mean?
There you go again trying to bait me, You love playing the liar and bragger cards don't you. You might try changing your game up once in awhile, you're too obvious...
.....BOOM!
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI think that your insults would hit home a lot better if people had any idea what you were talking about.
Bad at math, bad at writing... what are you good at? Other than standing on all 16s, I mean?
Quote: cwwbjr....BOOM!....Nonsense.!! It's that simple.
Hey, he didn't answer a question with a question.
I guess I either need to pay more attention or less attention to what is going on here. Right now, I am just in the middle and seem to know just enough to not understand what is going on in this site. lol
Quote: cwwbjrHere's a hint : Do the math correctly and you might figure out how I got there.....That is after you've mathematically solved the mystery of the Great Nonsense Pyramids of Egypt which don't exist either of course!! Haha!
Actually, He's right. I figured out the great nonsense pyramid theorem about a year ago, and I haven't hit 16 or split 8's since (among my other 'moves'). It's been very profitable.
Quote: JoePloppyActually, He's right. I figured out the great nonsense pyramid theorem about a year ago, and I haven't hit 16 or split 8's since (among my other 'moves'). It's been very profitable.
Don't forget to never double down, because "that's how they get you".
Quote: onenickelmiracleWho is this guy? Stupid enough to be Tournament king and crass enough. Timspeed mama/lover perhaps. Looks like the final nail though and he just knows more than he should know about this forum.
Edit: You found the long run and it took four days to reach it here. I accidentally insulted you because the certainty you're a banned member was too high at this point, so which total loser are you?????? HURRY UP AND LET US KNOW BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!
Insults aren't accidental, and they run both ways.. Don't dish them out if you can't take them back.! You drug it down , not me. I just gave you back what you dished out. This thread was my first ever on this site.. Look it up!
Quote: djatcQuote: odiousgambitquestions here though:
*don't you always split 88? what's up with that, I guess I don't get it. It's 16.
* so I bust trying to reach 17 and she ...." ; if you bust, doesn't matter what dealer hits, so?
* "at least 17" ; well, 17 blows, and 18 is not quite good enough.
I might have not thought about surrendering since I don't play double deck surrender. Also the Wizard's basic strategy calculator just says to split 88 vs any upcard. Of course it doesn't matter what the dealer had when I bust, but just the fact that every time I could have stayed on 15 or 16 and let her bust made me mad. It's like why couldn't the 5 or 6 be showing?
In a H17 game (double deck or shoe), BS is to surrender 88 vs A. This is the only exception to "always split aces and eights" (at least here in the states, where there is always a hole card. In those crazy ENHC games there are other exceptions if you can lose all bets to a dealer BJ.)
DJ, keep your head in the game and trust the math. You'll come out of this stronger!
Quote: djatcthats true, but every day we live we get closer to death. how's that for inspiration, lol.
I have a hard time thinking about life any differently than this. I think I need some therapy to help me appreciate life while I've got it...
Quote: AxelWolfFYI there are plenty of AP's that don't keep records. Usually ones that have been doing it for a while.
If that is the case, how do they know the fair amount of taxes they need to pay at the end of the year? Lol
Quote: cwwbjrSince you've challenged the validity of my play,, Here's a hint : Do the math correctly and you might figure out how I got there.....That is after you've mathematically solved the mystery of the Great Nonsense Pyramids of Egypt which don't exist either of course!! Haha! You may have to think outside the box a little. HAVE FUN!!
Quote: AOCAccording to you (in your first post under your current identity) you are not good at math. So, how the hell would you know if I've done the math correctly?
Quote: cwwbjrThat's a really good question, and thank you for making it so simple and easy to answer being as bad as I am in math.
By reading your posts, even a moron with an IQ one step above plant life would have little doubt that you could do anything correctly,let alone math. You open your mouth....BOOM!....Nonsense.!! It's that simple.
You are good, however, at comical sarcasm. Is that what has catapulted you to your illustrious career here. Impressive!
Oh my God, somebody save me.....I'm becoming you !
cwwbjr,
Quoting the Wizard in your other thread "...In the long run"
Quote: WizardBoth you guys (you and cwwbjr) are on temporary time-out, pending sentencing.
Remember, all forum members are protected from personal insults. I recommend making complaints about other members by PM to an admin.
You are really pushing it with the bolded language above. His warning came about 2 hours after you wrote this, so I'm deferring to that, but you are way out on the personal insult limb here. Take care with your targeting the person instead of the argument itself. Thanks!
Quote: mustangsallyYou want to know how I got my original $500,00 gambling bankroll?
I was only 23
and you want to know how large it is now?
much larger
and how I increase it more than I decrease it?
only my close friends know (that includes my husband)
Do I play -EV games?
I like to go and watch movies after a nice dinner at a movie theater.
Sally
Kind of ironic Sally accuses dj of being amateur because he doesn't answer her questions( I guess that is what he would be if he is not a professional) ... And then she totally dodges axels questions. It's my opinion she is way out of line in this thread. Wishing that somebody loses their entire bankroll seems like a pretty big insult
Thank You so much for your good advice sir ! You're very kind to share your personal playing strategies with a complete stranger. I've been reading your brilliant posts and I had no doubt that if anybody had a winning strategy it would be you. I can't wait to try it.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceDon't forget to never double down, because "that's how they get you".
Yes I knew someone was going to ask this. They estimate, I guess and get casino printouts for big plays. How they would ever get this exact, I have no clue. I highly doubt people who make over 500k a year pay the correct amount.Quote: DRichIf that is the case, how do they know the fair amount of taxes they need to pay at the end of the year? Lol
How is it that "DI's" beat craps, while paying proper taxes? One year may be fantastic year and the next year they may lose.
for that matter the same goes for High limit VP with a very small edge. One year you might have 5 100k royals and win a ton.
The next year you may lose 300k.
Or follow this 25 seconds of advice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5BKAaZrqgE
Who i missed that?Quote: BuzzardSOOPOO and Mission both vouch for the guy, so I must give him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe we should suspend the guy who said he was a sarcastic asshole .
Or follow this 25 seconds of advice http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5BKAaZrqgE
Quote: JoePloppyHey, he didn't answer a question with a question.
Would you prefer that I answer with a question? After all, questions are the answer are they not? If certain people had any idea what I'm talking about they would't be insulted. It was an accidental insult in response to an accidental insult. To the question in reference, what am I good at other than standing on 16 ?,....Well would't it be better if we consulted the WIZARD on whether or not cashing in +$12,000 in 12+ years, playing red chip tables under all table rules as a sub-optimal strategy player, is considered being good at something? Then you could decide for yourself if he's right or wrong about it and take it up with him.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceDon't forget to never double down, because "that's how they get you".
Wow that's awesome. Let me guess your solution to the Great Nonsense Pyramid theory,,,, ALIENS....right?
And would those other "Moves" that have been so profitable by any chance be moves from a foreclosed property to a rent free shelter, or your mom's basement?
Quote: cwwbjrWow that's awesome. Let me guess your solution to the Great Nonsense Pyramid theory,,,, ALIENS....right?
And would those other "Moves" that have been so profitable by any chance be moves from a foreclosed property to a rent free shelter, or your mom's basement?
Personal Insult, Trolling, Thirty Days. Apparently, the public Warning from Wizard didn't faze you.
Quote: cwwbjrThank You so much for your good advice sir ! You're very kind to share your personal playing strategies with a complete stranger. I've been reading your brilliant posts and I had no doubt that if anybody had a winning strategy it would be you. I can't wait to try it.
Well, clearly this post falls under the Mission exception ;)
Tolstoy suffered the same predicament. Look up his essay entitled "A Confession". He found his solution in faith. Unfortunately that doesn't work for me. I wish it did.Quote: AcesAndEightsI have a hard time thinking about life any differently than this. I think I need some therapy to help me appreciate life while I've got it...
Quote: AxelWolfWho i missed that?
The guys initials are D J A T C in posting this thread LOL
