Smoking?
I used to smoke in college but have been nicotine free for >10 years. However, I will still light up on special occasions. I would LOVE to smoke, gamble and drink while in Vegas next week. Has it been banned in Vegas like everywhere else?
Quote: onenickelmiracleI have a hard time believing you've been nicotine free for ten years if you're planning ahead to smoke in a casino.
He's nicotine free yet he still smokes on special occasions. I know it doesn't make sense lol.
Quote: longtimelancerIs smoking allowed at the Mirage or other casinos on the strip?
I used to smoke in college but have been nicotine free for >10 years. However, I will still light up on special occasions. I would LOVE to smoke, gamble and drink while in Vegas next week. Has it been banned in Vegas like everywhere else?
I love the Mirage for the fact that they don't frown on us Cigar smokers.
Let me be honest, I am not a puff n your face cigar smoker, I always ask if it is allowed, and then get the most out of the way place I can as to not bother anyone who is apposed to this.
Ill give you a short story, 2 years ago next week, I was in the Mirage sportsbook for Kentucky Oaks day, most of the "offices" as I like to call them are reserved, but one was open at the back of the book. I sat down in the smoking section, asked the man next to me if my cigars are going to bother him and he said, "no man, smoke up" I did, and a lady in front of me sat down at least an hour after I had been there and turned around and said, "Can you put that out!?!? The smoke is bothering us. I said matter of factly "the non-smoking section is over there" She replied, "I thought you would say that" then she went to the book manger and he told her I was well within my rights to be where I was. My problem is I was there first, in a designated smoking section, and yet I was the problem!?!? I don't mind if I ask and someone says you know what I rather you didn't and guess what I wouldn't.
It was nice you asked when you first sat though. Most machine players just sit down and light up.
I didn't even know why I couldn't breathe until a dealer pointed it out to me after coughing uncontrollably without knowing why I was doing it.
Cigar smoking is the most offensive form of public tobacco use that exists. If you are going to smoke a cigar, you better get used to people having a problem with your doing that. Because even nice people that you might otherwise enjoy the company of will have a problem. And it's not psychological, it's physiological.
And if someone appears out of nowhere and asks you to put out a cigar, absolutely feel free to tell them to go screw themselves. But just don't be surprised, and do expect to be considered insensitive.
You also have the right to be a offensive intentionally. But having the right to do something, and feeling that exercising your rights are appropriate are two different issues.
Women, generally, expect you to behave in a socially acceptable manner. That's pretty much the problem that your identifying in my view.
Quote: BuzzardYou were not the problem. That foul smelling stinky cigar was .
No such thing as a stinky cigar.....some players have stinky breath though......
Quote: FleaStiffUnfortunately, smoking is generally allowed in casinos even if it is banned in a hotel owned by the casino. Some casinos have smoke free slot areas and smoke free Bingo areas but usually Vegas allows smoking in casinos.
I think it would be unfortunate if they did not allow this simple freedom, this indulgence, even for someone who has drastically cut down smoking and almost never smokes at the table like myself. It is part of the ambiance, and is one of the few public places left that are not smoke-free. It also kills profits to take smoking out of gambling and drinking, which in turn would lead to worse games. I would have no problem with half the area being smoke-free, but we know where that ultimately leads--the non-smoking section will just complain about smoke crossing the border and demand more territory.
Quote: SonuvabishI think it would be unfortunate if they did not allow this simple freedom, this indulgence, even for someone who has drastically cut down smoking and almost never smokes at the table like myself. It is part of the ambiance, and is one of the few public places left that are not smoke-free. It also kills profits to take smoking out of gambling and drinking, which in turn would lead to worse games. I would have no problem with half the area being smoke-free, but we know where that ultimately leads--the non-smoking section will just complain about smoke crossing the border and demand more territory.
+1
There is an assumption by smokers that sitting next to someone smoking isnt as repulsive as sitting next to someone passing gas continually, Or how abourt someone who is a clean freak and carries around their own can of lysol.Everyone loves that toxic smell.
I love the idea of non smoking sections of a resteraunt or nonsmoking gambling tables where the tables are inches away from each other.
However in our society people have the right to engage in behavior that is deleterious to others whether its smoking, or owning a chimp, pitt bull. python...all of whcih have been known to kill children and adults. As long as you get enjoyment, thats all that matters. Even if there is other ways to get a nicotine fix, even if there are other pets that can be owned.......its a free country and I can do what I want to within the law is all that matters. Society, being a good neighbor and parent is secondary to freedom. Sacrifice for the good of neighbors and family takes a backseat to.....I want I want.....me me me
Quote: LarryS
However in our society people have the right to engage in behavior that is deleterious to others whether its smoking, or owning a chimp, pitt bull. python...all of whcih have been known to kill children and adults. As long as you get enjoyment, thats all that matters. Even if there is other ways to get a nicotine fix, even if there are other pets that can be owned.......its a free country and I can do what I want to within the law is all that matters. Society, being a good neighbor and parent is secondary to freedom. Sacrifice for the good of neighbors and family takes a backseat to.....I want I want.....me me me
Owning a chimp? Yeah I am the only one on my block who doesn't own a chimp. I used to have children, but they are all dead now...thanks to those damn neighbors. Many adopted white chimps excluded from the movie Congo.
I can't believe I didn't notice how smoking is exactly like owning a chimp.
Quote: HunterhillWhat if you owned a chimp that smokes?
I don't know man. One of my neighbors owns a python, but it was too busy smoking to eat my last child. The murder-chimp got it anyway, so I'm not sure it matters. Called the cops, and they're like we can talk to your neighbors, but if they enjoy owning exotic pets, then it's a civil matter.
Quote: SonuvabishI don't know man. One of my neighbors owns a python, but it was too busy smoking to eat my last child. The murder-chimp got it anyway, so I'm not sure it matters. Called the cops, and they're like we can talk to your neighbors, but if they enjoy owning exotic pets, then it's a civil matter.
THE me me me crowd has spoken.
the expected response
Quote: LarrySTHE me me me crowd has spoken.
the expected response
I just want my children back. Is that so selfish?
Quote: JimRockfordIf I am at a table and someone lights up, I don't like it, but I probably won't leave unless the smoker allowing smoke to drift into my face or being otherwise inconsiderate. I find a polite smoker I little more annoying than a foul odor. If someone asks if I mind if they smoke, I usually won't refuse. If I objected, they would probably refrain, but my refusal would be somewhat adversarial and would set an unfriendly tone. An honest answer to the request would be "I wish you wouldn't." I don't speak for all non-smokers, but just because you're polite enough to ask doesn't mean you aren't bothering anyone.
An honest response would be I wish you'd be quiet or leave. Smokers ask to be polite and to cushion the blow, not because they think some words magically dissipate the smoke. I find foul orders highly annoying. Since you voluntarily put up with something you find more annoying than a foul order when it is no inconvenience to avoid it, I have to think that compared to me, you actually are fond of foul odors.
Quote: SonuvabishAn honest response would be I wish you'd be quiet or leave. Smokers ask to be polite and to cushion the blow, not because they think some words magically dissipate the smoke.
So, smokers actually have no consideration for anyone else and will only refrain from smoking if it is against the rules. I wonder why they are losing "this simple freedom"
Quote: JimRockfordSo, smokers actually have no consideration for anyone else and will only refrain from smoking if it is against the rules. I wonder why they are losing "this simple freedom"
Maybe people who are bothered by smoke should not spend time in places where smoking is allowed?
If you were forced to be there, I'd say that you have a point. But, since you choose to be there, you should live with your decision.
Casinos are smoky places. This is not a secret. If you like casinos and dislike smoke, then you have to make a judgement call and decide if the benefits of being in a casino outweigh the costs of being in a smoky environment. Don't whine about it if you don't like the outcome of your decisions.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceMaybe people who are bothered by smoke should not spend time in places where smoking is allowed?
If you were forced to be there, I'd say that you have a point. But, since you choose to be there, you should live with your decision.
Casinos are smoky places. This is not a secret. If you like casinos and dislike smoke, then you have to make a judgement call and decide if the benefits of being in a casino outweigh the costs of being in a smoky environment. Don't whine about it if you don't like the outcome of your decisions.
I make that judgement every time I enter a casino. It's not a big deal, but I would prefer not to endure it. How is expressing my preference on this forum whining?
Yea we know Friday Saturday nights are full of drunk drivers perhaps we should choose not to drive around during that time.Quote: AxiomOfChoiceMaybe people who are bothered by smoke should not spend time in places where smoking is allowed?
If you were forced to be there, I'd say that you have a point. But, since you choose to be there, you should live with your decision.
Casinos are smoky places. This is not a secret. If you like casinos and dislike smoke, then you have to make a judgement call and decide if the benefits of being in a casino outweigh the costs of being in a smoky environment. Don't whine about it if you don't like the outcome of your decisions.
your freedom should end at the entrance of a building. If your sitting at a BJ table where you have been at smoke free for hours and its the only good game. some drunk sits down and lights up a horrible cheap cigar. Or a really smelly Canadian cigarette should you now have to move just because you know casinos can be smoky? What if you are on a business trip to vegas and part of your job is to entertain some client who loves to gamble.
I'm not saying I practice what I preach on this subject. I'm just saying it's really not fair for non smokers to have to worry about the rights of others if it may be killing them, making them sick or smell bad.
Quote: AxelWolfYea we know Friday Saturday nights are full of drunk drivers perhaps we should choose not to drive around during that time.
The difference is that the drunk drivers are doing something that's not allowed, while the smokers in a casino are doing something that's allowed.
Quote:your freedom should end at the entrance of a building.
It does. The building owner is free to ban smoking in all or part of their building, if they choose. I would certainly not go into a building or area of a building designated as non-smoking and light up.
The key is, while my freedom to smoke ends at the door, so does your freedom to be in a smoke-free environment. We both give up those freedoms and leave the decision up to the owner of the establishment. In this case, the owners have chosen to allow smoking.
Quote:If your sitting at a BJ table where you have been at smoke free for hours and its the only good game. some drunk sits down and lights up a horrible cheap cigar. Or a really smelly Canadian cigarette should you now have to move just because you know casinos can be smoky? What if you are on a business trip to vegas and part of your job is to entertain some client who loves to gamble.
You have no more right to be at that table than the drunk smoker. You can ask for a non-smoking sign at the table -- they may or may not give it to you. If not, you have to decide if it's worthwhile for you to be there or not. If they do give you the sign, the drunk smoker has to decide whether it's worthwhile for him to be there or not.
I understand that it would be better for you if a casino owner would provide you a smoke-free environment with good games which allow you to take their money, but they are under no obligation to. They are running a business, not a charity.
Quote:I'm not saying I practice what I preach on this subject. I'm just saying it's really not fair for non smokers to have to worry about the rights of others if it may be killing them, making them sick or smell bad.
Again, you have the right to leave if you don't like it.
Quote: JimRockfordSo, smokers actually have no consideration for anyone else and will only refrain from smoking if it is against the rules. I wonder why they are losing "this simple freedom"
You think the government is punishing smokers for being rude by taking away their right to smoke in public places? I had always assumed it had something to do with the warning label. Can we get back to the chimps, that was great. I want--no demand--more input from Larry.
Quote: SonuvabishYou think the government is punishing smokers for being rude by taking away their right to smoke in public places? I had always assumed it had something to do with the warning label. Can we get back to the chimps, that was great. I want--no demand--more input from Larry.
I just can't believe all the "me me me" people who drive to work every day. Do you know how many people are killed in traffic accidents every year? Neither do I, but it's more than are killed by smoking chimps.
Won't someone think of the children?
Quote: AxelWolfYea we know Friday Saturday nights are full of drunk drivers perhaps we should choose not to drive around during that time.
This is silly. You are equating criminal behavior to legal and normal behavior. Further, you are implying that people should not only act lawfully, they should also give up their rights if it appeases a particular group. Also, if the roads are actually "full" of drunk drivers, as full as a casino is of smokers, you should choose not to drive on them. That's just common sense.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceI just can't believe all the "me me me" people who drive to work every day. Do you know how many people are killed in traffic accidents every year? Neither do I, but it's more than are killed by smoking chimps.
Won't someone think of the children?
If people really cared about others, they wouldn't work at all. With society's infrastructure collapsing, people would eat their murder-chimps to avoid starvation. And finally, we could come to together as a community.
Quote: SonuvabishIf people really cared about others, they wouldn't work at all. With society's infrastructure collapsing, people would eat their murder-chimps to avoid starvation. And finally, we could come to together as a community.
Yeah but what would we smoke?
Larry's 10 commandments:
1. Having fun in a casino is strictly prohibited
2. No smoking
3. No chimps
4. Women should never enjoy sex
5. No boxing
6. No pit bulls
7. Never make a sports bet that you can lose on one play
8. No caffeine
9. No drinking
10. No pythons
OK they are not drunk just tired.Quote: SonuvabishThis is silly. You are equating criminal behavior to legal and normal behavior. Further, you are implying that people should not only act lawfully, they should also give up their rights if it appeases a particular group. Also, if the roads are actually "full" of drunk drivers, as full as a casino is of smokers, you should choose not to drive on them. That's just common sense.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYeah but what would we smoke?
Larry's 10 commandments:
1. Having fun in a casino is strictly prohibited
2. No smoking
3. No chimps
4. Women should never enjoy sex
5. No boxing
6. No pit bulls
7. Never make a sports bet that you can lose on one play
8. No caffeine
9. No drinking
10. No pythons
Larry is right about #4. If she's enjoying it, then she must be ugly and I must have popped viagra, because it is taking way too long. I heard some Indian casinos are re-thinking their centuries old ban on pythons in casinos. If it goes through, it would be the first time an American has seen a python inside an Indian casino since 1265 AD, the same year the Magna Carta was revised to officially recognize Thanksgiving as a European holiday.
Quote: AxelWolfOK they are not drunk just tired.
Tired people are in bed. The roads are deserted. Bar strips are patrolled. If there are some bizarre Bermuda Triangle areas where it is less safe than an icy road because of careless drivers, then the smartest thing to do is yield to the criminals or potential tortfeasors (negligent tired people go here) and not drive. I know what you are saying, and we can agree to disagree. But I think it's hard to disagree that your actual analogy makes no sense. Which is a point for smoking! And proves it is good for you!
I declare tomorrow “Larry Day.” I’m gonna go to the casino and whack back espresso martinis until my eyes roll around in my head. That should be enough for the killer-chimp I bring as a date to look good, and I won’t care if she smokes. We’ll stager over to the racebook and put the whole bankroll on a boxing pit bull ticket. Win or lose, that chimp is gonna have a good time when I introduce her to the python in my pantsQuote: AxiomOfChoiceYeah but what would we smoke?
Larry's 10 commandments:
1. Having fun in a casino is strictly prohibited
2. No smoking
3. No chimps
4. Women should never enjoy sex
5. No boxing
6. No pit bulls
7. Never make a sports bet that you can lose on one play
8. No caffeine
9. No drinking
10. No pythons
Careful, though... one lucky knockout punch and you could lose.
Awww... now how am I going to get her number?Quote: Sonuvabishdeleted
Quote: SonuvabishYou think the government is punishing smokers for being rude by taking away their right to smoke in public places? I had always assumed it had something to do with the warning label. Can we get back to the chimps, that was great. I want--no demand--more input from Larry.
A couple years ago a woman had a chimp in a city apartment. Her friend came over, and tried to coax the chimp to come into another room....the chip literally ripped her face off. Tore it up. Right off the bone.
Just google....chimp rips face off.
Just like pit bull owners that see their dog kill an adult or child...the lady owner of the chimp said she felt bad and the chimp never did anything like that before.
really???,,,THE CHIMP NEVER RIPPED ANYONE ELSES FACE OFF?.....that nice.
mind if I smoke>>>??....NOPE.....mind if I fart?
both are legal and a right we all have. The right to foul the air of our neighbor with smoke or human fecal smells. Although human intestinal.colonic gas has not been shown to cause cancer.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceYeah but what would we smoke?
Larry's 10 commandments:
1. Having fun in a casino is strictly prohibited
2. No smoking
3. No chimps
4. Women should never enjoy sex
5. No boxing
6. No pit bulls
7. Never make a sports bet that you can lose on one play
8. No caffeine
9. No drinking
10. No pythons
I find your posts to be extremely cogent and insightful. Your intellect is unmatched. Your mental gymnastics are obviously by far, superior. You are my hero. I find your humour to be unmatched. Your education far exceeds your intelligence.
In the case of smoking that is a limited right, trumped by the right of others to not inhale cancer-casing fumes. Public places we must use have pretty much adopted that stance. In several towns in my area you can no longer legally smoke on the street or in a public park. If you walk into a casino, that's your choice, an option you don't have to take. Unless, of course, we have some inherent right to gamble...Quote: LarrySboth [smoking and farting] are legal and a right we all have.
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyAnd another thing…. If I play at a smoking-permitted table that is my choice and I don’t complain if someone lights up, no matter if they are newly arrived at a previously smoke-free table or not. UNLESS they are overtly trying to annoy me with their smoke. In that case I will speak up rather than suffer in silence. Sometimes that mitigates the issue, other times it results in two pissed off people. I can live with either outcome.
I feel the same way, if someone wants to polute my air at a table that has no polution controls its legal and I really cant say anything, and never do.
If someone wants to emit smoke from their lungs and from a tobacco product that causes temporary health issues and contributes to long term health issues to others around them....then thats fine...its their legal right. They were raised to believe that is being a good neighbor.Every generation has the ME ME ME people.
I remember once in a casino, some kid was walking thu the casino with the parents with luggage, and a bottle of foul smelling sour milk spilled out of the kids hand...so the clean up people come to clean the carpet with some disinfectant solution....and a guy smoking yells at them that the cleaning solution smells and is making his eyes water.
If you smoke you give up the right to complain about air quality in the buiding. Just shut the FK up......and continue to kill yourself. I dont want to hear about the woman with cheap overpowering perfume, or the guy with body odor or the guy that took off his shoes at the table, or the guy that farted in the elevator.....I have no sympathy...its pure hypocracy.
The way I look at it, once I step into a casino I have already accepted the fact that the air inside is already poluted by smokers with carcinogens, toxins, and irritants to the eyes and lungs. As long as they get enjoyment at the health expense of themselves and others....thats the important thing. As long as it is allowed I tolerate it and say nothing.....because there is nothing to say to the ME ME ME people of each generation.
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyIn the case of smoking that is a limited right, trumped by the right of others to not inhale cancer-casing fumes. Public places we must use have pretty much adopted that stance. In several towns in my area you can no longer legally smoke on the street or in a public park. If you walk into a casino, that's your choice, an option you don't have to take. Unless, of course, we have some inherent right to gamble...
This has nothing to do with the rights of the smoker. The smoker is not the one who decides to allow or not allow smoking in the casino.
Quote: LarrySA couple years ago a woman had a chimp in a city apartment. Her friend came over, and tried to coax the chimp to come into another room....the chip literally ripped her face off. Tore it up. Right off the bone.
Just google....chimp rips face off.
Just like pit bull owners that see their dog kill an adult or child...the lady owner of the chimp said she felt bad and the chimp never did anything like that before.
really???,,,THE CHIMP NEVER RIPPED ANYONE ELSES FACE OFF?.....that nice.
mind if I smoke>>>??....NOPE.....mind if I fart?
both are legal and a right we all have. The right to foul the air of our neighbor with smoke or human fecal smells. Although human intestinal.colonic gas has not been shown to cause cancer.
LMFAO! The former actor, Travis the chimpanzee, was shot dead by police. in a previous incident, Travis' mother was shot dead in a failed escape attempt.
Quote: BleedingChipsSlowlyIn the case of smoking that is a limited right, trumped by the right of others to not inhale cancer-casing fumes. Public places we must use have pretty much adopted that stance. In several towns in my area you can no longer legally smoke on the street or in a public park. If you walk into a casino, that's your choice, an option you don't have to take. Unless, of course, we have some inherent right to gamble...Quote: LarrySboth [smoking and farting] are legal and a right we all have.
I think you are one of those people who misunderstands the definition of second-hand smoke. Second-hand smoke is dangerous because if you smoke in the house, it sticks to everything. Eventually, you're breathing pollution 24/7. This does not apply to the guy who inhales a little smoke once and awhile in casino with a state of the art ventilation system. No one has shown this to be a significant health hazard. Additionally, your right to be in a smoke-free casino environment is nonexistent, and therefore trumps nothing. Wouldn't you be annoyed if people came up to you and started asserting rights they do not have, but obviously think they deserve at your detriment? Like hey cop, I know my rights, 2nd Amendment says I don't need to explain the reason I am walking down the street with a pistol in my hand.
Quote: AxiomOfChoiceThe other day someone was driving, and there was an accident, and someone was killed. I guess people shouldn't be allowed to drive any more.
Something is dangerous. Therefore, we shouldn't bother with preventing anyone from doing anything dangerous.
Why bother having any laws? Especially if people are just going to break them.
