kewlj
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December 15th, 2013 at 6:29:16 PM permalink
Has anyone purchased the 2014 ACG? I was just about to purchase a couple copies as I do each year for the match play and free play coupons, when I looked through the coupon list. Absent was any mention of a push on 22 blackjack coupon at D (downtown) up to $25 max bet, that was listed when the 2014 list came out in October. This would have been a new coupon from previous years and I was very excited when I saw that list, but now I see no mention of such a coupon.
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December 15th, 2013 at 6:34:56 PM permalink
I have the 2014 book. I just checked, and its in there.

Page 391, The D coupon. Get out of Blackjack Hand for Free (push your bet on 22)

Maximum $25 bet. A minimum buy-in of $100 is required.
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December 15th, 2013 at 6:43:18 PM permalink
Quote: KeyserSoze

I have the 2014 book. I just checked, and its in there.

Page 391, The D coupon. Get out of Blackjack Hand for Free (push your bet on 22)

Maximum $25 bet. A minimum buy-in of $100 is required.



Thank you, KeyserSoze. I wonder why it is not included on the current list non their website? I going to purchase a couple copies and hope. Lol. BTW, is there any restrictions printed in that coupon? (Some coupons have a once per year, or once per 30 days restrictions)
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December 15th, 2013 at 7:04:47 PM permalink
On the back of the coupon it reads 'Limit one offer per account per calendar year'; no other restrictions.

FWIW- I purchased the 2014 edition from Amazon in November. Lets hope the copies you order are the same as mine.

Let me know if you have any other questions. I'm glad to help.
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January 9th, 2014 at 11:31:25 AM permalink
Does the ACG include any Oklahoma casino coupons for Winstar, Riverwind, Treasure Valley et al (places between Dallas and OKC on I-35)?
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January 9th, 2014 at 11:35:17 AM permalink
Quote: darthxaos

Does the ACG include any Oklahoma casino coupons for Winstar, Riverwind, Treasure Valley et al (places between Dallas and OKC on I-35)?



Doesn't look like it from 2013

http://www.americancasinoguide.com/2013-american-casino-guide-coupon-list.html


And here is the 2014 list


http://www.americancasinoguide.com/2014-american-casino-guide-coupon-list.html
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January 9th, 2014 at 11:55:32 AM permalink
is there a min buy-in for the new player $25 match play at the D?

Last year my girlfriend and I did the same coupon at the Golden Gate. Both rolled 7s on the come out, with $5/each for the boys on pass, and left. Good times!

*edit*
nevermind, I found the fine print online. no min buyin for new members.
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January 9th, 2014 at 6:15:55 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Thank you, KeyserSoze. I wonder why it is not included on the current list non their website? I going to purchase a couple copies and hope. Lol. BTW, is there any restrictions printed in that coupon? (Some coupons have a once per year, or once per 30 days restrictions)

. Kj, a restriction that you will probably be concerned with that may apply, is that this coupon does not apply if you double down on a hard 12, which takes a decent amount of value from it. This is if the coupon is the same as the D's push 22 coupon in the LVA booklet from last year, where I believe you had to give the coupon to the players club, then they gave you the coupon to use at the table.
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January 9th, 2014 at 7:39:37 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

. Kj, a restriction that you will probably be concerned with that may apply, is that this coupon does not apply if you double down on a hard 12, which takes a decent amount of value from it. This is if the coupon is the same as the D's push 22 coupon in the LVA booklet from last year, where I believe you had to give the coupon to the players club, then they gave you the coupon to use at the table.

What is the optimal strategy for playing with a push 22 coupon?
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January 9th, 2014 at 8:03:04 PM permalink
Double a 12, including 6-6, against 2-7 if the coupon allows. Hit a 12 against 4-6 if coupon does not apply on double, otherwise play basic strategy. I am not positive about holding 6-6 vs. 2-6 if coupon does not apply on double downs.
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January 9th, 2014 at 8:41:12 PM permalink
mcallister- thanks for the info. I reviewed the fine print on my coupon and did not see this doubling restriction.

Does the restriction appear on the coupon given by Players Services?
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January 9th, 2014 at 9:01:39 PM permalink
I believe so. Now this is what I remember from 2013 on the LVA booklet, not acg. It may be different but I would think it would be the same. Just something to double check for if you do indeed have to get the coupon from the players club desk.
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January 10th, 2014 at 8:28:54 AM permalink
Thanks again. I will use mine when I return to Vegas in a couple weeks.

I lost my coupon last year. I had it on the felt, but the count tanked and I wonged out and left it there. I'm still pissed about that.
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February 8th, 2015 at 3:45:11 PM permalink
Does anyone know the EV of this coupon (push your bet on a 22?). Kewlj has mentioned it at $25 but that doesn't seem right for some reason...
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February 8th, 2015 at 3:46:02 PM permalink
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Does anyone know the EV of this coupon (push your bet on a 22?). Kewlj has mentioned it at $25 but that doesn't seem right for some reason...


I guess when you use the coupon, it is literally worth $25 as you keep your green chip. But assuming basic strategy, you would be exposed to the house edge until you use it, right? So that would eat in to the value depending on how often this situation occurs.
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February 8th, 2015 at 4:29:52 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

Does anyone know the EV of this coupon (push your bet on a 22?). Kewlj has mentioned it at $25 but that doesn't seem right for some reason...

I don't recall where I saw it(if iI had to guess I would say bjr.net) but I believe you're playing at around 104-105% while the coupon is in play, which would mean you would expect it to take about 20 hands to get a 22. Remember to hit your 12 vs. 4-6 with the coupon!
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February 8th, 2015 at 7:05:37 PM permalink
Quote: mcallister3200

I don't recall where I saw it(if iI had to guess I would say bjr.net) but I believe you're playing at around 104-105% while the coupon is in play, which would mean you would expect it to take about 20 hands to get a 22. Remember to hit your 12 vs. 4-6 with the coupon!



Thanks for the 12 vs 4-6 tip. I just always played basic strategy w/ the coupon, since it never takes long to bust w/ a 22.

But I'll hit a 12 next time.
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February 8th, 2015 at 7:41:50 PM permalink
Quote: kewlj

Has anyone purchased the 2014 ACG? I was just about to purchase a couple copies as I do each year for the match play and free play coupons, when I looked through the coupon list. Absent was any mention of a push on 22 blackjack coupon at D (downtown) up to $25 max bet, that was listed when the 2014 list came out in October. This would have been a new coupon from previous years and I was very excited when I saw that list, but now I see no mention of such a coupon.



How does the coupon work? If the player gets exactly 22 he pushes against any dealer outcome (even a dealer bust) except a dealer blackjack? And what happens if you bet $25 and double on 12 (since the coupon is limited to a $25 wager)? If you caught a 10 would you lose the double down wager and push the original wager?
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February 8th, 2015 at 7:43:04 PM permalink
Quote: HowMany

Thanks for the 12 vs 4-6 tip. I just always played basic strategy w/ the coupon, since it never takes long to bust w/ a 22.

But I'll hit a 12 next time.

Sometimes, using various coupons (assuming you only have one coupon) you shouldn't deviate from regular strategy much. It can actually cut the value of the coupon especially if you plan on playing BJ at that level anyway.
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February 8th, 2015 at 7:46:31 PM permalink
12 vs. 4-6 is not a significant deviation, 12 vs. 4 is the second closest decision point in the game.
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February 8th, 2015 at 7:58:52 PM permalink
Quote: Greasyjohn

How does the coupon work? If the player gets exactly 22 he pushes against any dealer outcome (even a dealer bust) except a dealer blackjack? And what happens if you bet $25 and double on 12 (since the coupon is limited to a $25 wager)? If you caught a 10 would you lose the double down wager and push the original wager?


I believe the coupon doesn't apply on doubles, but I don't have proof of that.

My understanding of the coupon is that as soon as you bust with a 22, you hand over the coupon and keep your bet, regardless of dealer outcome. If the dealer had a BJ, you would have already lost as they would have peeked.
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October 24th, 2021 at 5:38:42 AM permalink
Does anyone know if they’re printing a 2022 edition? The website doesn’t say anything definitive. I saw language that they hope to print a 2022 edition but that was it. I may do a January trip to Vegas and would like to get the book if it exists.
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November 11th, 2021 at 1:25:36 PM permalink
Just got an email. No printed ACG book for 2022. They left open the possibility of digital 2022 coupons through their app (no guarantee).
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November 11th, 2021 at 1:47:16 PM permalink
That's a shame. In my prime I was good for a couple dozen a year.
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November 12th, 2021 at 4:46:25 AM permalink
Yeah, too bad.

I always thought that the handful of articles in the front of the book were very helpful for beginners. They also had a couple of pages that showed JoB video poker strategy.
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I felt like just planning out my casino visits based on the various coupons was a fun activity. Redeeming the goodies was the second half!
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