mds
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December 13th, 2013 at 12:32:26 PM permalink
What would you do? Has this ever happened to you?
You are at lets say the Wynn playing craps. You throw them 4k. You get your chips and play for an hour or so on a Saturday nigh. The table is hot and the whole table starts to win. unfortunately you are on the dark side and lose a few in a row and decide to move on to greener pastures. (Another table) You stack your 2100 in red, green and blk chips high and slide them across the table to the money man and say "color me up".... Remember it is busy. He then takes your stack and to your amazement he mixes it with the house money!!! You yell!!! Hey that is my cash!!!!!! He says oh no! (To say the least) He is Upset but handles it and says, how much was there? You say, about 3600.00! He say ok and gives you the 3,600k and you walk away. Or, do you tell him the truth and say 2,100? or do you say 5k?
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December 13th, 2013 at 12:38:21 PM permalink
Just tell the truth about the amount. Assuming the chips were on the rail the whole time, it's all on surveillance anyway.
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December 13th, 2013 at 12:41:21 PM permalink
I tell the truth because I'm not a liar or cheat. Also if you lie and then they call the eye in the sky you will look like a (P.O.S).
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December 13th, 2013 at 12:41:59 PM permalink
I've always pointed out improper payouts on both sides......telling the truth is good for the soul
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December 13th, 2013 at 12:46:41 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

I've always pointed out improper payouts on both sides......telling the truth is good for the soul



Karma is everything with the gambling gremlins. Tell the truth either way.
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December 13th, 2013 at 12:55:04 PM permalink
WWBDD?

I would tell the truth.
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December 13th, 2013 at 12:55:10 PM permalink
"about" is red flag.. unless its just me but I have never colored up and not knew exactly what was there.
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December 13th, 2013 at 1:20:28 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

..telling the truth is good for the soul



Never been proven. Ask any politician.
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December 13th, 2013 at 1:37:29 PM permalink
crew mistakes are advantage play in my book.
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December 13th, 2013 at 2:52:03 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

WWBDD?




You beat me to it!
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December 13th, 2013 at 2:56:22 PM permalink
You can try to fudge it a little bit, but if you're off by a huge percentage, the box man will probably know you're up to something just based on memory of how many stacks he picked up. And they probably will go to the eye to verify it if it's anything into 4 figures. So yeah, just be honest. If you fudge by a hundred bucks I wouldn't hold it against you, and they probably won't be able to tell.

If it's less than a thousand bucks they may not bother going to the eye. Who knows.
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December 13th, 2013 at 3:05:52 PM permalink
Quote: aceofspades

You beat me to it!



What I have learned,(sometimes the hard way) is that it is always the gambler's responsiblility to correct the dealers mistake. So in my early years, I remember giving the dealr in craps 26 to buy the 10...and heput it on the 4, and I dint catch it, and the very next number rolled was 10. Its my responsibility. I complained and the dealer didnt agree or remeber what I said so I lost tat win. Same with sports tickets. We need to check tix for mistakes which occur in my experience alot(especially when you are calling of 20 tix)

Sooo once I was at rouleete and had a stack of dollar chips on the double street of 31-36. It hit, and the dealer pulled back the stack to count it, and then replaced it on the single street....and payed me for that

Did I CORRECT THE GUY? nope because my rules are that the dealers have to check THEIR work...just like I have to check THEIR work. And if not the dealer..then its up to the pit boss.

I have paid for my mistakes of not monitoring the dealers close enough...so dealers/casinos can pay for their mistakes as well. I would jack up the value a little in this situation. Turnabout is fair play
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December 13th, 2013 at 3:13:50 PM permalink
Quote: CrystalMath

WWBDD?



good one
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December 13th, 2013 at 3:15:20 PM permalink
what would JP do?
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December 13th, 2013 at 3:49:24 PM permalink
Quote: treetopbuddy

what would JP do?



JP is in FLA and has no way out. He claims to play at underground casinos.


If he pulls that crap at an underground casino, you will probbably find him under the tires of his own car.
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December 13th, 2013 at 3:57:35 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

JP is in FLA and has no way out. He claims to play at underground casinos.


If he pulls that crap at an underground casino, you will probbably find him under the tires of his own car.



WWJPD.......I knew that would smoke you out.....
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December 13th, 2013 at 4:08:05 PM permalink
smoke me out of what? where was I hiding?
treetopbuddy
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December 13th, 2013 at 4:12:46 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

smoke me out of what? where was I hiding?



I misspoke.....sorry. I just know that JP touches a nerve with you...
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December 13th, 2013 at 4:27:25 PM permalink
I have to admit I don't know who JP or BD are in this context. Now Brian Boitano...now we're talking.
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December 13th, 2013 at 4:27:40 PM permalink
Quote: LarryS

What I have learned,(sometimes the hard way) is that it is always the gambler's responsiblility to correct the dealers mistake. So in my early years, I remember giving the dealr in craps 26 to buy the 10...and heput it on the 4, and I dint catch it, and the very next number rolled was 10. Its my responsibility. I complained and the dealer didnt agree or remeber what I said so I lost tat win. Same with sports tickets. We need to check tix for mistakes which occur in my experience alot(especially when you are calling of 20 tix)

Sooo once I was at rouleete and had a stack of dollar chips on the double street of 31-36. It hit, and the dealer pulled back the stack to count it, and then replaced it on the single street....and payed me for that

Did I CORRECT THE GUY? nope because my rules are that the dealers have to check THEIR work...just like I have to check THEIR work. And if not the dealer..then its up to the pit boss.

I have paid for my mistakes of not monitoring the dealers close enough...so dealers/casinos can pay for their mistakes as well. I would jack up the value a little in this situation. Turnabout is fair play


Great post.
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December 13th, 2013 at 4:35:36 PM permalink
JP = John Patrick

BD = Bob Dancer

But then again, I could be wrong, and look rather stupid for assuming that?
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December 13th, 2013 at 5:22:39 PM permalink
Quote: mds

What would you do? Has this ever happened to you?
You are at lets say the Wynn playing craps. You throw them 4k. You get your chips and play for an hour or so on a Saturday nigh. The table is hot and the whole table starts to win. unfortunately you are on the dark side and lose a few in a row and decide to move on to greener pastures. (Another table) You stack your 2100 in red, green and blk chips high and slide them across the table to the money man and say "color me up".... Remember it is busy. He then takes your stack and to your amazement he mixes it with the house money!!! You yell!!! Hey that is my cash!!!!!! He says oh no! (To say the least) He is Upset but handles it and says, how much was there? You say, about 3600.00! He say ok and gives you the 3,600k and you walk away. Or, do you tell him the truth and say 2,100? or do you say 5k?

Why would you say 3600 in the first place? Are you intentionally trying to make a move? I probably would not do this, But I would not think any less of a regular guy for doing this. The real question is, would you blog about it?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 13th, 2013 at 5:53:27 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights

I have to admit I don't know who JP or BD are in this context. Now Brian Boitano...now we're talking.


But he's not here right now. He'd teach the world a thing or two, He'd make a plan and he'd follow through, though.

Wow, I totally mis-remembered the lyrics. Fail.
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December 13th, 2013 at 6:18:01 PM permalink
Remember: the best lies are those based on truth. I would have told him I bought in for $3000 and was down a little bit so it was right around 2700. If anyone else spoke up it would have been to verify you did buy in for $3000 (there's a record), it would have made you appear honest if questioned and it would have made it a lot easier to get overpaid the $2700 if anyone else behind the table was paying attention. While you did get more I think it would have been higher EV in the long run to do it the way I outlined. If they did go to the cameras but are unsure of the exact amount you just tell them you're there to gamble and have fun, not to constantly count your chips and see how much you're stuck. Casinos don't like any mention of something that may wake a losing gambler up and make him quit so they'd most likely just give you what you said. Along those lines, if you ever want to make a nosy pit personnel disappear just mention Gambler's Anonymous to him in front of other gamblers.
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December 13th, 2013 at 8:19:29 PM permalink
Saw an episode of Taxi last night. On it Jim Ignatowski had started a fire that destroyed all the possessions in Louie's apartment. Jim calls his rich father and Dad sends him a blank check . Jim has to call his Dad after Louie fills in the amount to make sure his Dad puts in enough to cover it. Louie can replace everything for $8,000. Louie Stars at $50,000 and finally settles on $29, 602. Jim calls Dad and Dad says OK. Louie jumps for joy. Until Jim says His dad was relieved . He thought he might have to cover $200,000.

Taxi had an episode almost as funny as who's on first. What does a yellow light mean ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvn-tBeLpCk
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December 13th, 2013 at 8:33:33 PM permalink
"Jim, I have to ask you. Why are you walking around with a styptic pencil behind your ear?"
"Alex...under the circumstances, I think a better question would be why you didn't have one behind your ear?"


"Alex, I'll bet you $10 I walk over to that machine, put in a quarter, and get a vodka gimlet."
"Jim...that's a coffee machine."
"Then I want odds."


"Tony, what's your knockout record?"
"I was out for over four minutes once."

Possibly the greatest show in the history of television.
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December 13th, 2013 at 8:38:53 PM permalink
Hyperthymesia is the condition of possessing an extremely detailed autobiographical memory.

Only 25 people have been documented to posess this trait. One of whom is Mary Lou Henner.
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December 13th, 2013 at 8:48:31 PM permalink
She also nailed both Tony and Alex during the filming of the series.
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December 13th, 2013 at 8:51:39 PM permalink
Proving even smart girls like sex. Now if only Aceofspades understood that.
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December 13th, 2013 at 8:54:14 PM permalink
Quote: AcesAndEights


If it's less than a thousand bucks they may not bother going to the eye. Who knows.



Totally different circumstance, but on my first trip to Vegas they went to the eye over a $12 win at 6:1 that I initially attempted to grab between me and some Asians more drunk than me at sic bo. ~15 minutes later, I was awarded the money since it was my bet.

But considering this treatment, I would think they would def go to the eye over $500. Probably anything disputed over $100.
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December 13th, 2013 at 9:18:45 PM permalink
Quote: anonimuss

"Jim, I have to ask you. Why are you walking around with a styptic pencil behind your ear?"
"Alex...under the circumstances, I think a better question would be why you didn't have one behind your ear?"


"Alex, I'll bet you $10 I walk over to that machine, put in a quarter, and get a vodka gimlet."
"Jim...that's a coffee machine."
"Then I want odds."


"Tony, what's your knockout record?"
"I was out for over four minutes once."

Possibly the greatest show in the history of television.

?
♪♪Now you swear and kick and beg us That you're not a gamblin' man Then you find you're back in Vegas With a handle in your hand♪♪ Your black cards can make you money So you hide them when you're able In the land of casinos and money You must put them on the table♪♪ You go back Jack do it again roulette wheels turinin' 'round and 'round♪♪ You go back Jack do it again♪♪
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December 13th, 2013 at 10:05:00 PM permalink
Quote: AxelWolf

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"Taxi" quotes. I wasn't even born before that show began to air and I still got it, and have only watched it sporadically, probably not an entire episode at one time. I have watched much more of "WKRP in Cincinnati", fwiw.

Unless youre are questioning that those quotes aren't funny. But they are pretty funny to me at least.
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December 13th, 2013 at 10:22:39 PM permalink
Quote: Buzzard

Saw an episode of Taxi last night. On it Jim Ignatowski had started a fire that destroyed all the possessions in Louie's apartment. Jim calls his rich father and Dad sends him a blank check . Jim has to call his Dad after Louie fills in the amount to make sure his Dad puts in enough to cover it. Louie can replace everything for $8,000. Louie Stars at $50,000 and finally settles on $29, 602. Jim calls Dad and Dad says OK. Louie jumps for joy. Until Jim says His dad was relieved . He thought he might have to cover $200,000.

Taxi had an episode almost as funny as who's on first. What does a yellow light mean ?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pvn-tBeLpCk



I don't get that show on directv and we've wished we did since it went off the air. Hard for me to understand why the people in charge put on the trash they do. I loved taxi. Christopher Lloyd was/is hilarious. Back to the future, director of Frazier etc. He's comedic genius.

Reverend Jim was probably my fave.
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December 13th, 2013 at 10:47:36 PM permalink
Quote: petroglyph

I Christopher Lloyd was/is hilarious. Back to the future, director of Frazier etc. He's comedic genius..



Yeah, um, that's a different Christopher Lloyd. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0515941/

Lloyd the actor never directed or produced anything.
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December 13th, 2013 at 11:43:55 PM permalink
Quote: EvenBob

Yeah, um, that's a different Christopher Lloyd. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0515941/

Lloyd the actor never directed or produced anything.



Good catch there Bob. It just shows again that I can't assume anything, I always thought it was the same guy.

It's like Hollywood ran out of names or something.
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